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    Default Re: Possible EP35-DS3R/HD 4870 compatibility issues

    I've contacted Sapphire (dunno where did the PowerColor part emerge from, but I've mentioned that I've got a Sapphire card), they didn't mention anything about incompatibility, they've told me to try getting a replacement card (which I did) and if the problems persist, try the card on another system (none avaliable) or bring the whole system to my vendor for them to test it (which I will do tomorrow).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lsdmeasap View Post
    Do you get a Vram temp output? Video ram often causes the issues you are describing when it overheats.

    Do you have Init First Display set to PEG (Not a big deal, just wondered)
    Init First Display is set to PCI, I'll check the Vram thing asap.
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    (used GPU-Z since it has the screenshot option)
    Is it the MEMIO entry?
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    Default Re: Possible EP35-DS3R/HD 4870 compatibility issues

    Everyone has a opinion, I Guess I just voice mine more often then need be
    lol, me too :-)

    I didn't think there were many variances these days be it ATI or Nvidia. It's usually the same design and usually manufactured by the same source. It's just the bling and often the cooler structure thats altered in some way.

    The days of Hercules doing different things, like a blue PCB etc seem to have gone.
    Gainward still seem to do things differently with some models.

    As for ATI, are there any big differences you can think of between manufacturers (like for like model wise)? I can't think of anything, bar warranty etc.
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    Default Re: Possible EP35-DS3R/HD 4870 compatibility issues

    Ya, I think those are the ram temps. They do look at bit high for idle, if that is idle. how high do they get during a game?

    Init first Display should be set to PEG for the first PCIE slot, PEG2 for the second. So you should set to PEG as you are likely using slot one

    I think I say svcglobals comment and thought you also had powercolor.

    Well too bad you dont have another system to test in, or could take to a friends. Hate to see you paying someone to test things

    Good luck with this. I think it may just be hot ram, or a plain old driver issue

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    Switched to PEG, forced fan @ 50% speed, the temps didn't even reach 60 Celsius, still I experienced a recovery.

    Well I better start backing up some stuff before I take the whole system to my card's vendor :)

    Anyway, thanks alot for all the suggestions guys, I'll report back if anything of relevance changes.

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    Default Re: Possible EP35-DS3R/HD 4870 compatibility issues

    Quote Originally Posted by goaty View Post
    Switched to PEG, forced fan @ 50% speed, the temps didn't even reach 60 Celsius, still I experienced a recovery.

    Well I better start backing up some stuff before I take the whole system to my card's vendor :)

    Anyway, thanks alot for all the suggestions guys, I'll report back if anything of relevance changes.
    Goaty, I can't help thinking this is down to a driver issue on relatively new hardware that will be ironed out in a future release. I've never been a fan of ATI because when there are errors, they are a pain in the **** - as I found out with my old Radeon 32DDR and then my 9700.

    Have you checked over at the Rage3d forums?
    &
    http://forums.amd.com/game/messagevi...=y&STARTPAGE=1
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    http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33932484

    Not exactly your problem, but possibly connected in some way and manifesting itself as something else.

    * I see you have posted on the AMD forum goaty...
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    Default Re: Possible EP35-DS3R/HD 4870 compatibility issues

    Rage3d, DriverHeaven, OCforums, official ATi Forums, Sapphire forums... there ARE some other users experiencing the same, but I've got the impression that they are too few so I've ruled out the possibility of having a driver error since the majority doesn't experience such problems. ATi won't acknowledge the issue either, so I'm really at loss.

    One question: most of the users that had this issue said that using XP solved it for them, but there were responses that "XP is more fault tolerant than Vista and with using XP users aren't solving the issue, but rather avoiding it". Is that true?

    EDIT: about the links you posted: I had the same issue and fixed it with BIOS update that Sapphire sent me. The TDR issue persists.
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    Yes, that Powercolor is mine... Back to the topic and if goaty where under XP he could try the Omega driver instead of ATI Catalyst, just to have another driver option.
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    Default Re: Possible EP35-DS3R/HD 4870 compatibility issues

    Quote Originally Posted by svcglobal View Post
    Yes, that Powercolor is mine... Back to the topic and if goaty where under XP he could try the Omega driver instead of ATI Catalyst, just to have another driver option.
    That's a good idea, but don't the guys at "Omega" just tweak *.ini files, as they don't have the rights to alter the proprietary ati driver as such? I tend to think that this is a low level driver setting that only Amd/Ati will be aware of or have the ability to alter.

    Goaty,

    Do you keep an eye out over at Guru3d for leaked drivers? They are there on such a regular basis, that something could turn up at anytime soon that actually fixes the problem.
    You usually find that if the card is being sold in systems by a large oem, that driver fixes appear very quickly if there's a specific problem - hence some of the releases.

    More Info..
    http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=67928
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    Quote Originally Posted by VorLonUK View Post
    That's a good idea, but don't the guys at "Omega" just tweak *.ini files, as they don't have the rights to alter the proprietary ati driver as such? I tend to think that this is a low level driver setting that only Amd/Ati will be aware of or have the ability to alter.
    Not sure, I was told they do reverse engineering and, in machine language, they optimize the code.
    But Vista drivers are not ready there so, not good.
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    Default Re: Possible EP35-DS3R/HD 4870 compatibility issues

    Quote Originally Posted by svcglobal View Post
    Not sure, I was told they do reverse engineering and, in machine language, they optimize the code.
    But Vista drivers are not ready there so, not good.
    That would be impressive...

    But wouldn't Amd/Ati sue them for that - it would be clearly against the license.
    I would have thought if Ati/Amd had granted permission and Omega had signed an NDA, that there would be no need for them to reverse engineer, as the source code would be provided.
    As for "Optimizing", I can't see how that is possible if you don't have all the engineering material and product protocols, or even the driver tools that no doubt ATI/Amd have designed to facilitate releases.

    Found the info - they are just tweaks of available settings within the standard driver (including those normally hidden from the user). I didn't think they could be much more...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_drivers
    Last edited by VorLonUK; 10-01-2008 at 01:57 AM.
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