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    Default Re: Mushkin pc6400 X-line extreme memory

    settings are currently as per the pic below, orthos crashes in seconds, so theres something i'm not relaxing enough

    i would have thought these settings are loose enough?

    could it be 2x2gb needs more mch voltage @ 500fsb?

    started reading that thread about mch strapping which opened up a whole new overclocking world, theoretically...

    after trying a lot of fsb's only the '4.0~' and '4.0+' were available which if i understand correctly would have meant i would have to use 266/333 fsb

    as far as frequency vs. timings - Bjorn3d.com - Mushkin XP2-6400 4GB Memory Kit, Reviews 'n news for the beast within us!

    techPowerUp :: Mushkin XP2-6400 4GB CL4 Kit Review :: Page 3 / 4 - this one seems a little more professional

    glad yours are on the way, you'll be able to show me what they're really capable of!
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    Default Re: Mushkin pc6400 X-line extreme memory

    Orthos fails? How is memtest86+?

    If memtest is fine, you need more CPU or MCH voltage, or possibly less of either as to much can also error but not as likely as you needing more CPU Voltage.

    Those are way loose timings and I can see from here That they will pass memtest86+ SO you likely just need more CPU volts

    What do you have MCH and Ram voltage on right now anyway at 500 FSB?

    Yeap, I am waiting at the window for the UPS guy!

    Ill post you some results for sure tonight, Getting off here now to install X64

    Ohh, Both of those sites are very professional! Bjorn just usually does more GFX and board testing I think

    Here check these reviews out as well >>>
    Mushkin DDR2 XP2-6400 4 GB Memory Kit Review
    t-break - Mushkin 4GB XP2-6400
    Mushkin 4GB (2 x 2GB) XP2-6400 Memory Review Page 3 - Testing: CPU-Z, Task Manager - Overclockers Club
    Mushkin XP2-6400 (996580) 4x2 GB testing - Hardware Canucks


    See ya later tonight

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    well, i have a bit of explaining... at the risk of being shunned from the overclocking world................

    i haven't actually got round to using *ahem* mem *ahem* test, quite as yet...

    mch voltage i've left, since i set it up at +0.2

    cpu, i didn't mean to put up to 3.75 - i've dropped it back to 3.6 ish which seems to be the point where voltage/performance/heat output starts to go crazy

    it says on these mushkins voltage range is 2.0 - 2.1v so i have them on 2.0v, or +0.2 as my P35-DS3L would have it

    interestingly, with the settings attached in the pic i basically used your looseish baseline settings, dropped the fsb to 400, ram divider to 2.5 so still running at 1000mhz and all seems to be fine... so that would suggest mch needs more?!

    i still want to run 500fsb though as everest benchies jump up 1000mb/s from 400fsb

    anyways, if you're up for the challenge....

    i'd love to see what performance you can squeeze out of these things with/at...

    800mhz - real tight timings

    1000 - 1100mhz somewhere in that range as those seem to be the limits at 5-5-5-15 / 5-5-5-18

    of course... when/if UPS manages to deliver!
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    Default Re: Mushkin pc6400 X-line extreme memory

    Ahh don't feel bad or shunned!

    I have many times jumped right to the bench! Just keep in mind you may loose data this way. I actually almost always work backwards myself. From way to tight, till bootable, till stable. And then test various settings in between those ranges, and then again once I decide I do some stability and final tweaking.

    So whatever works for you is fine, just keep in mind you do have to test for stability... Someday!

    I will post some 800 and 100 results tonight. Had to get 900 tweaked a bit first as that is the speed I use 24/7. Still not done, but here is where I am as of now (Had to leave town yesterday, and just got back this morning)



    BIOS settings used >>>
    This is Just a template I use to ask people their settings, pay no attention to the numbers in it, replace with yours

    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Turbo
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 9
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:.0
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 4.05


    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 450Mhz
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........:Set to 100

    C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]


    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: <<< 800
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: <<< 900
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: <<< 50
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: <<< 150


    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: [STANDARD]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: Disabled
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [400]
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: 2.00
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 900
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]

    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................5
    tRCD .........................................4
    tRP'...........................................3
    tRAS..........................................12

    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD...........................................3
    tWTR..........................................2
    tWR............................................3
    tRFC...........................................48
    tRTP...........................................3
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................:2

    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength ............................ 1066

    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................:9
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:<<< Leave for all below as well
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............: 200ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps

    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................:9
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:<<< Leave for all below as well
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............: 500ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps

    Motherboard Voltage Control
    Voltage Type.………... Manual
    CPU
    CPU Vcore….……….........................:1.3687
    CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......: <<< 1.34
    CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: <<< 1.56
    CPU Referen.…………....0.755V*.......: <<< .64% Of Vtt (Termination above)
    CPU Reference2………,,0.800V*.......:<<< .67% Of Vtt (Termination above)

    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: << 1.24
    MCH Reference….…….0.800V...........; <<< .83
    MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........: <<< Leave
    ICH I/O……………….....1.550V............: <<< 1.56
    ICH Core…………...……1.100V............: <<< 1.20

    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: 2.06


    Advanced Settings
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled]


    Will be testing some twr and trd rank settings tonight, as well as trying to get some proper phase adjusts going.

    What strap are you using? I could not get trd of 8 to boot at 900 with 1:1 yet

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    Default Re: Mushkin pc6400 X-line extreme memory

    hey,
    seems you're making some headway pretty quickly!

    one thing... on your screenshot memset says ddr3 but everest says ddr2?!

    the pic below is what i'm orthos'ing right now @ 900mhz - subtimings i left to auto apart from tRFC which i set to 60. its lasted 15mins so far which suggests its pretty close to stable

    even with mch voltage at +0.3 and subtimings left to auto + tRFC 60 mains to 5-5-5-15/18, 1000mhz wouldn't last longer that a couple of minutes in orthos

    i'm starting to think 500fsb is too high for a P35-DS3L?

    might try 950mhz/475fsb in a mo and see if that plays ball
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    Default Re: Mushkin pc6400 X-line extreme memory

    Probably the beta I am using of Memset? I see it often

    Ya, I try to move it right along!

    500 FSB is fine in P35, sounds like you either have too high of Auto timings, or Need some Voltage adjustments

    Keep in mind, you will never know what is to blame without memtesting your ram at the settings you plan to orthos. If they pass memtest but fail orthos quickly then you need some voltage adjustments

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    well, i think the 1000mhz issue was me forgot as i raised the fsb from 400 - 500 to put the multiplier down indeed, it would have been unlikely that my E7200 was stable at 4.5ghz, on air, with 1.28 volts

    now that i've sorted my elementary school boy error i'm orthos stable, at the mo 6mins down the line @ 1000mhz

    does performance enhance on a P35 adjust the northbridge latency / give access to different strappings or just tighten down what timings/sub timings are left on auto?

    i was going to see next what the board thinks 'turbo' or is it 'extreme' ?! settings are at 1000 and indeed if it can designate stable figures

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    Default Re: Mushkin pc6400 X-line extreme memory

    HAHAHA It happens! I often forgot to look at ram multi when I switch MCH latches and that puts it on Auto which is usually alot more then Would work!

    It changes the trd (Static tRead Value) So if you are already using that as low as it will go, turbo or extreme wont boot up

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    Default Re: Mushkin pc6400 X-line extreme memory

    back when i was first introduced to overclocking i accidentally oc'd my 333mhz celeron to 900mhz! amazingly it worked fine, well for a week i think before it melted. back in those days thermal paste was seen as a bit girly, but it might have lasted a little longer! oops!

    yea, you're right, 'extreme' just sets the performance level/ trd lower it would appear. and 8 is pretty stable @ 1000 so far, and the everest benchies are, in my opinion, out of this world!

    all that worrying about my copy figure being low at high fsb's now i'm getting:

    read 9166mb/s
    write 10524mb/s
    copy 8900mb/s
    Latency 55.7ns

    and thats with mch back down to +0.2 and ddr voltage at +0.2....

    guess its time for 1066mhz... this ram is brilliant stuff!

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