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    Default GA-EP43-D3SL + E8400 - 4GHz?

    Hey all,

    I've this unexplained (Well, using my knowledge, that is. ) problem.
    I can set up my FSB up until 419, but even 420 would fail posting. (Nor a higher one, for example, 430-440, just in case there's a hole between them.)
    I've tried numerous set-ups, both on Auto or Manual (voltages, I mean.), nothing would help me get there. The interesting fact is I've read another thread here, by a person saying he's stuck at 419 too. To be honest, I just want to get to 445 = 4GHz, though I begin to believe that this board is not up to it. (Any personal experience here with this board posting at 445?)

    Currently, I run my system at 9 X 419 = 3.77GHz, CPU - 1.30v BIOS // 1.26v Windows on load || DRAM - 2.2v BIOS // 2.13v Windows, all other voltages are Auto.

    System is stable, tested on all known programs.

    Specs:

    CPU: E8400 E0 || Motherboard: GA-EP43-D3SL F4 || Memory: G.Skill PC2-800 1000MHz 5-5-5-15 2.1v || Temps: Load 40-45 // Idle 25-30 || OS: Windows Vista 64

    Here is the template filled out:

    MB Intelligent Tweaker (M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Auto
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 9
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................: 0
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 3771


    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 419Mhz
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........: 100


    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: 800
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: 800
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: 0


    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: [STANDARD]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: Disabled
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: 333MHz
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: 2.40B
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 800 == 1006
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]

    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................ 5
    tRCD ......................................... 5
    tRP'........................................... 5
    tRAS.......................................... 15

    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD........................................... Auto
    tWTR.......................................... Auto
    tWR............................................ Auto
    tRFC........................................... Auto
    tRTP........................................... Auto
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................: Auto

    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................: Auto
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................: Auto
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................: Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................: Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................: Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................: Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................: Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................: Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................: Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............: Auto
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............: Auto

    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................: Auto
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................: Auto
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................: Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................: Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................: Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................: Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................: Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................: Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................: Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............: Auto
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............: Auto

    Motherboard Voltage Control
    Voltage Type.………... Manual
    CPU
    CPU Vcore….……….........................: 1.36875v
    CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......: Auto
    CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: Auto
    CPU Referen.…………....0.755V*.......: Auto

    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: Auto
    ICH Core…………...……1.100V............: Auto

    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: 2.200v

    Advanced Settings
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Disabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: [Enabled]

    What do you think, will this board be able to make it?

    Cheers!
    Last edited by MiOB; 10-13-2008 at 11:13 AM.

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    it should,change the MCH latch to 400,bump CPU termination to 1.32, reference 64% from Vtermination, mch core 1.24. and just for your knowledge, i've learned that from a very smart man, those boards have HUGE Vdrop, so anything u put on bios , is actually 0.4-0.6 less, try bumping to 1.4-1.425. if it wont post, u need to change the timings for 5-5-5-18, and about advanced timings ask "lsdmeasap".

    EDIT:

    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Disabled] WTFFFFFFFFFF DUDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ENABLE IT FASTTTTTTTT
    Last edited by Dweirdo; 10-13-2008 at 03:52 PM.

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    Default Re: GA-EP43-D3SL + E8400 - 4GHz?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dweirdo View Post
    MCH latch to 400 ... CPU termination to 1.32 ... reference 64% from Vtermination ... mch core 1.24 ... try bumping to 1.4-1.425. if it wont post, u need to change the timings for 5-5-5-18.
    I've just tried all of that, and it would still not post.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dweirdo View Post
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Disabled] WTFFFFFFFFFF DUDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ENABLE IT FASTTTTTTTT
    Don't exaggerate, as long as you keep your temps cool (and your eye on it ), there's no real need for this feature.

    @lsdmeasap: Save me?

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    Default Re: GA-EP43-D3SL + E8400 - 4GHz?

    if u set timings and everything on auto, will it post?not cores, only timings.

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    how much memory do you have? 2x1GB, 2x2GB or 4x1GB? try these settings for 4GHz... i've listed timings and voltages for both 2 and 4GB memory... 4GB is generally looser...

    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: [Auto]
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 9
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................: N/A
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 4.01GHz (9x445=4005MHz)


    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 445MHz
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........: 100MHz <--Always 100!!

    C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]


    Advanced Clock Control
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: 800
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: 900
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0-50 (or Auto)
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: 50-150


    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: [STANDARD]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: Disabled
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: 333 or 400MHz
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: 2.00 or 2.40 (you can underclock the RAM to see if that's more stable... if it is you can try OCing it with slightly looser timings)
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 890MHz or 1068MHz
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]

    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time.............................5
    tRCD ..............................................5-6
    tRP'.............................................. ...5-6
    tRAS.............................................. ..15-18

    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD........................................... 3-5
    tWTR.......................................... 4-7 (this can tighten up a bit for 2GB)
    tWR............................................ 3-7
    tRFC........................................... 52-58 (for 4GB, 2GB you can use between 44 and 52 usually)
    tRTP........................................... 4-6
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................: 2

    Channel A
    Static tRead Value............................: 7-12 (2GB can be fairly tight... 4GB you'll need fairly loose timings)
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................: Auto
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................: Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................: Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................: Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................: Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................: Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................: Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................: Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............: Auto
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............: Auto

    Channel B
    Static tRead Value..........................: 7-12 (again you can tighten this for 2GB... 4GB you'll need fairly loose timings)
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................: Auto
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................: Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................: Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................: Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................: Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................: Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................: Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................: Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............: Auto
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............: Auto

    Motherboard Voltage Control
    Voltage Type.………... Manual
    CPU
    CPU Vcore….……….........................: 1.375-1.4V (start high... if you boot up fine then you can lower it to save power and lower temps)
    CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......: Auto (or you can manually set as 1.25-1.35V)
    CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: Auto (should be fine)
    CPU Referen.…………....0.755V*.......: Auto
    CPU Reference2………..0.800V*.......: Auto

    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: 1.15-1.3V (how much memory do you have... 2GB will need less NB than 4GB)
    ICH Core…………...……1.100V............: Auto

    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: 2.1V

    Advanced Settings
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled] (or disabled... shouldnt really matter too much)
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled]

    the droop on the P4x boards is pretty massive, so start the voltage in the core high and work down if you cant boot. for all the timings i've listed a range for, start with them loose and tighten them up one at a time if you're able to boot, testing with MemTest86+ (Memtest86+ - Advanced Memory Diagnostic Tool) between each move
    Last edited by BongWizard; 10-13-2008 at 05:23 PM.
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    Default Re: GA-EP43-D3SL + E8400 - 4GHz?

    @BongWizard:

    It's 2X2GB. I'll try your settings and will report back!

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    Default Re: GA-EP43-D3SL + E8400 - 4GHz?

    Right, please post a link to your exact ram so we may better advise you. I can say Auto is not going to be much help to you.

    The voltage you have, as suggested above, is really only 1.3 or less in in windows. So you will need to increase that for sure. And depending on your ram you will need various other changes, no matter what AUTO has got to go on alot of those

    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) << Should ALWAYS Be enabled, so your PC can shut down should your fan die when you are not looking

    Post your ram link, and if BongWizards settings do not get you going I will post some settings for you. Please also post your intended CPU Speed

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    Default Re: GA-EP43-D3SL + E8400 - 4GHz?

    Well, I've just tried BongWizard's settings - no luck there.

    @Lsdmeasap:

    My ram is G.Skill's F2-8000CL5-2GBPI X 2 (2X2GB), rated at 1000MHz 5-5-5-15 2.1v.
    A link to G.Skill website: DDR2

    I enabled CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2), by your advice.

    As for voltages, I've tried both Auto or Manual - very high voltages.

    Do you think you'll be able to help me reach 4.00GHz?

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    Default Re: GA-EP43-D3SL + E8400 - 4GHz?

    Yes, you can do 4Ghz for sure. You just need to get your ram going first and then you will be fine.

    Here, try this for 4Ghz. And keep at it, dont give up after a few tries it does take some time. >>>>
    Code:
    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Fast
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 9
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:.0
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 4.05Ghz
    
    
    Clock Chip Control 
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled] 
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 450Mhz
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........:Set to 100
    
    C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]
    
    
    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: <<< 800
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: <<< 900
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: <<< 50
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: <<< 150
    
    
    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: [STANDARD]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: Disabled
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [400] << Set Static tRead, Suggested Voltages, this and Memory Mutli ONLY and save and apply and reboot back to make the rest of the changes.  
    
    If you have issues with this, then set all ram timings high as suggested below, memory multi (Keep a eye on, it will go to auto when you switch the latch) static tRead high, voltages and then reboot to change this.  Main thing is to try to not make many changes along with this when you change it.
    
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: 2.40
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 1080
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]
    
    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................5
    tRCD .........................................5
    tRP'...........................................5
    tRAS..........................................18
    
    Set all highest below, then later lower one at a time
    
    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD...........................................3-6
    tWTR..........................................3-6 (will need 8-12+ for first boot thru, use 12first)
    tWR............................................4-6 (will need 8-14+ for first boot thru, use 14 first)
    tRFC...........................................52-70 (Try 65 or so first)
    tRTP...........................................3-8
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................:2
    
    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength ............................1066 or 1200, use 1200 first
    
    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................:9-12 Use 12 first
     tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:<<< Leave for all below as well
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
     tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
     tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto 
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto 
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto 
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto 
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto  ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto  ps
    
    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................:9-12 Use 12 first
     tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:<<< Leave for all below as well
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
     tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
     tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto 
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto 
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto 
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto 
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto  ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto  ps
    
    Motherboard Voltage Control
    Voltage Type.………... Manual
    CPU
    CPU Vcore….……….........................: 1.36-1.40 (Board has a .6 or so vdroop, so you may need more or less, but start high first otherwise you wont get booted thru.  Then lower later.  1.38 or so should get you in there
    CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......: <<< 1.25-1.38 (Try 1.34 first, the below reference voltages in Auto will self adjust so you can leave them
    
    CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: <<< 1.5 or 1.56
    CPU Referen.…………....0.755V*.......: <<< .64% Of Vtt (Termination above)
    CPU Reference2………,,0.800V*.......:<<< .67% Of Vtt (Termination above)
    
    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: << 1.2-1.3 (Try 1.24 or so)
    MCH Reference….…….0.800V...........; <<< Leave
    MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........: <<< Leave
    ICH I/O……………….....1.550V............: <<< Set or Leave, 1.55 -1.6
    ICH Core…………...……1.100V............: <<< 1.15-1.3
    
    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: 2.1
    DRAM Termination .…0.900V............: <<< Leave
    Channel A Reference 0.900V............: <<< Leave
    Channel B Reference 0.900V............: <<< Leave
    
    Advanced Settings
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled]
    
    Integrated Peripherals
    Legacy USB Storage Detect ..............[Disabled] *Note* Must be enabled to flash from USB

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    Default Re: GA-EP43-D3SL + E8400 - 4GHz?

    Sorry,

    I did try to update each one at a time and reboot and update again, but... it just didn't work. Everything worked, up until the last stage, where I turned up the FSB, even if just from 419 to 420. 419 boots, 420 doesn't; nor 450.

    Do you believe an BIOS upgrade would help here?

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