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    Default Re: GA-EP45T-DS3R Weirdest behavior

    Ya, I would go ahead and test the other stick as well. I did not know that about orthos, thanks

    Here, see if this passes memtest86+ with both sticks installed, then test with orthos if it does

    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Auto
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 9x
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:0.0
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 3Ghz (333x9)


    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: Disabled
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 333 Mhz
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........:100

    C.I.A.2 .................................:Disabled


    Advanced Clock Control
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: 800mV
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: 900mV
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0ps
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: 0ps


    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: Standard
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: 333 << You can try 400 as suggested above, it will be more stable

    System Memory Multiplier ..............: 4.00
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 1333
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: Manual

    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................7
    tRCD .........................................7
    tRP'...........................................7
    tRAS..........................................24


    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD...........................................5
    tWTR..........................................12
    tWR............................................14
    tRFC...........................................65
    tRTP...........................................7
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................2


    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................:11
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto

    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................:11
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto


    Motherboard Voltage Control

    CPU
    CPU Vcore….……….........................:1.22500V << May need more if you are manually setting this as With the vdrop it will be less then this

    CPU Termination…..... 1.200V
    CPU PLL…………………....1.500V
    CPU Referen.…………....0.760V


    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.200V
    MCH Reference….…….0.760V
    MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.750V
    ICH I/O……………….....1.500V


    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.500V << Your ram (If I found the right one, both I see do) uses 1.7 for 1333 Speed, so you may need to set 1.7 for sure. I have no doubt 1.5 will fail with both sticks at that speed

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    Hi again.
    I finished checking both sticks one by one at slots 1-3 (those that had errors in memtest). Both sticks came clear in both slots.
    While in windows with one stick in slot 3 i had 2 freezes.
    Then i put both in slots 1-3 and run another 2 hours of memtest. At pass 3 it had 4 errors in test 5. After that they continued clear for 6 more passes.
    Next, i change bios values to the ones that Lsd suggested above.
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch to 400 and I increased CPU Vcore to the closest higher (1,230 ? i don't remember) and got my self to a reboot loop.
    Clear cmos and restored CPU Vcore to 1.225.
    In windows, i run orthos and froze in 1 sec. !
    Changed the slots to 2-4, run orthos and after 6 minutes it halted and the system speaker made a beep every 5 seconds (something like that) BUT the system didn't freeze. It continued responding so i closed orthos and everything seemed fine. The system was stable. Installed nero 9, took about 10 minutes (why do they make their programs so heavy ?)and it was successful and after that watched a HD movie and all was ok.
    From the little that i understand i have the feeling that slot 3 is faulty. Even though it passed memtest with one stick, if dual channel something goes wrong and in windows with only that slot occupied the system freezes.

    I still have to run memtest with these bios values. Didn't have time to do that.
    By the way, the ram i have is the second from top in this page:
    DDR3 VALUE DUAL CHANNEL - DDR3 Value Series - Products - GeIL Memory
    and it is 1.5V unless i make a mistake but both the page and the sticker say that clearly.

    I know i have bugged you a lot but thanks to you i can say that my system runs good even if orthos fails. I understand that i must have a stable system because BSOD's and freezes await in the corner. I'm going to run memtest with these values on slots 2-4 and hopefully it'll be fine. But if after that orthos fails i don't know what that means.

    Anyway. Big thumbs up for your help.
    I'll let you know about the results of memtest and orthos and maybe you have any idea why orthos made those beeps.
    Talk to you soon.

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    Default Re: GA-EP45T-DS3R Weirdest behavior

    If memtest is passing (Bad slots aside) but orthos is not you need to adjust some voltages MCH and Vcore likely. I would go ahead and add +0.1 to your MCH and then start bumping your vcore. Or you can leave in Auto since you are not overclocking, that would be fine and likely not cause it to be to low as the board would adjust it as need be

    Orthos beeps when it fails if you have some of the settings for warning enabled is all

    I would try out also a bump by .1 or .2 also as you test your ram, I do not see warrantied voltage listed there, only a working voltage (Which is often what they consider to work in most boards). And I see the 2GB kit is listed as CAS 9 here (Clicked more info on the second from the top in your link, then specs) >>>
    http://www.geil.com.tw/products/showSpec/id/125

    Is that your ram's model #? >>>
    GV32GB1333C9DC

    you should be able to check with CPU-z in the SPD tab or in everest Ultimate, or likely on the ram sticker as well.

    If it is that model you should be using 999-24 as your timings. See here is a few pages I found with that ram for sale by model # >>
    PC Supplies Limited - Memory: GEIL - GV32GB1333C9DC GEIL 2GB DDR3 1333 CL9.0 D/C BRU TITA AL

    GV32GB1333C9DC - DIMM GEIL DDR3, 2GB, PC10600, KIT 2x1GB, 1333Mhz, Value series 9-9-9 | LAN-SHOP

    Soo..... Now with all that being found I think you need to retest slots you think are bad with ram using 999-24 and see what happens. I bet that is the whole issue (But you should still add more Vcore or set to Auto for a non overclock to pass orthos)

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    Lsd my friend (if i may call you that) I wish it would be that easy and all the mess was due to my mistake in timings and voltage. Yeah, i know, the page says that 2GB set is 9-9-9 but that's not the ram i got. The model i have is GV32GB1333C7DC and yes, i know it says it is a 4GB set. Dunno, maybe it was a set of 4X1 GB and they sold it separately.

    Here, screen shots of cpu-z:

    ImageShack - Hosting :: memory1999xj2.jpg
    ImageShack - Hosting :: spd2xh1.jpg

    I run memtest all night, slots 2-4 with the settings mentioned in last post and came clear, but that doesn't apply for orthos. It crashes at about 6-7-8 minutes.

    I will try it with your latest suggestion.
    Another thing that happened is that the board reverted its self to bios F2.
    Showed a message about corrupt bios during post and used the dual bios feature to revert to the previous. I guess all those boot loops have something to do with it .
    I wish there was some way to check the board with other hardware (ram, vga) as i'm beggining to believe that there's a ghost in the machine!
    See you soon.

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    Default Re: GA-EP45T-DS3R Weirdest behavior

    K, from those I see stock spec for 1333 speed is 7-8-8-25 as you see in the second SPD place. So have you tried that?

    Ohh, sorry I reply as I read. Ya, I would assume 999-24 should pass memtest for sure. Since you pass memtest with whatever settings you are using but orthos fails that means you have a voltage problem. This could be one of several being too much or not enough.

    So please give me your full settings for what you have that passes memtest for a few hours but fails orthos and I will advise

    That means some BIOS setting caused a Failure and corrupted one of your BIOS's is all, it fixes itself once you boot back in. And that was likely alot of reboots and incorrect voltages being used.

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    Ok. Here are the bios settings i use now and the last 3 days. Memtest likes these values. They seem to be fine although i still get occasional freezes during HD Video playback (bummer, that was the main reason i set up the whole system) and of course, orthos crashes.

    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Auto
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 9x
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:0.0
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 3Ghz (333x9)


    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: Disabled
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 333 Mhz
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........:100

    C.I.A.2 .................................:Disabled


    Advanced Clock Control
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: 800mV
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: 900mV
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0ps
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: 0ps


    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: Standard
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: 333

    System Memory Multiplier ..............: 4.00
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 1333
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: Manual

    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................7
    tRCD .........................................7
    tRP'...........................................7
    tRAS..........................................24


    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD...........................................5
    tWTR..........................................12
    tWR............................................14
    tRFC...........................................65
    tRTP...........................................7
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................2


    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................:11
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto

    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................:11
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto


    Motherboard Voltage Control

    CPU
    CPU Vcore….……….........................:1.22500V

    CPU Termination…..... 1.200V
    CPU PLL…………………....1.500V
    CPU Referen.…………....0.760V


    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.200V
    MCH Reference….…….0.760V
    MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.750V
    ICH I/O……………….....1.500V

    DRAM Voltage ……....1.500V

    DRAM Termination .…0.7500V
    Channel A Reference :0.750V
    Channel B Reference :0.750V
    Ch.A Address VRef:0.750V
    Ch.B Address VRef:0.750V

    Now, i don't mean to sound grumpy but why should i increase the ram timings to 7-8-8-25 ? Doesn't that defy the whole purpose of buying it in the first place? Please explain why cpu-z gives different timings than the vendor?

    One more thing. I had the bright idea to disable legacy usb detect and as we speak orthos is running 30 minutes, has passed the 8K test
    and continues. Ooops. it froze. Had to reboot. But at least it's a big improvement from 8 minutes.
    Could this be the whole issue?

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    Default Re: GA-EP45T-DS3R Weirdest behavior

    Try this >>>
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: 400

    MCH Core…………….....1.300V

    DRAM Voltage ……....1.700V

    7-8-8-25 is what the sticks were programmed for is why I said that. You were sent the wrong modules likely is why, If it bothers you for sure send them back.

    Here is how a Normal Set looks as programmed per Specs at 444-12 (Where you should see 777-x if you bought 777 ram) >>>



    If you are manually setting the CPU Voltage as opposed to Auto or Normal you will need to likely set more then stock shows as manually setting it is locked to what you set and Auto adjusts it on the Fly and likely uses more then stock anyway

    Yes, leave that disabled for sure if you are not using it, as posted in my first reply to you with settings
    Last edited by Lsdmeasap; 10-30-2008 at 03:47 PM.

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    Default Re: GA-EP45T-DS3R Weirdest behavior

    Well, you sure know your stuff!

    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: 400

    MCH Core…………….....1.300V

    DRAM Voltage ……....1.700V

    7-8-8-25 timings

    Orthos was running for more than 5 hours without any problem.

    I have no words to tell you how grateful i am to you.
    I haven't tried anything else yet but i have a good feeling about this.
    I think i can live knowing that my ram is running a bit slower than it was supposed to!
    It does say 7-7-7-24 and 1,5V on the sticker though.
    Nevermind.
    So, can you explain in a few words (if that's possible) to me what exactly was the problem?
    I mean, why would i have to make this kind of adjustments and everything?
    Why didn't things just worked out of the box with defaults?
    I thought that by choosing ram that operated at the same speed as the cpu fsb, things would work better. I actually read that somewhere. Wrong?
    Now, with all these settings that we adjusted, for sure the system is more stable, but did we actually decrease some of the features and speeds of the system else than the Ram? Please answer if it's not much to ask for.

    I sincerely thank you very much for all the help and time you spent and for the knowledge that you shared with me. I really hope i won't have to bother you again!
    Keep up the good work!

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    Nice to see! Ya, I think you just were either shipped the wrong ram or they gave you that and thought it was the correct model per the page listing.... Or The company had just switched up timings for that particular model since the original page was made were you bought it and they just never were informed or updated the page

    Thanks for your kind words! I am glad I could be of some help

    Well out of the box defaults are really ONLY so that the user can get into the BIOS with most any hardware and make necessary changes. And yes, not all hardware will even allow this. Auto tries to work with everything long enough but sometimes cannot. These boards are just not made to run on Stock or Auto, they are overclockers boards and not OEM so that is why Auto/stock is just never suggested

    Nope, those MCH changes only allow the FSB to run faster actually, which then allows it to use a looser timing to keep stable at the high speed. Yes the other ram timings may shave off a few points in certain tests, but not anything you would see if real life usage of the system

    Most all DDR3 will work fine at 1.8v but if a warranty worries you then you may not want to use it. I say that because at 1.8V that ram should be able to run 777-20 at 1333 for sure but that is all up to you. If you ever did have to RMA just dont say you used any overvolting, they cannot tell and would not be able to prove it because any and all boards can overvolt things without the user knowing it (Unless there was a Burn/Fire which would not happen)

    Thansk again for your kind words, and glad I could help you get going. Post back anytime

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