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    Default Re: EP45 DS3P - Wide Range of Problems Help please

    try removing the heatsink (be sure you dont wreck up any leads) and plug the card into your PCIe x16 slot with the heatsink/fan assembly just sitting beside it, ensuring there is nothing impeding the path of the fan and no crossed wires, bad solders etc. If you can boot like this, reattach the heatsink and game on! sometimes just taking things apart and doing nothing will make it work just because you dislodged something here or there

    if all seems OK and you still cant boot, then you've either got a totally different problem or you're in need of an RMA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lsdmeasap View Post
    Sounds like ram settings to me. First off please test each one of your 1066 sticks at stock timings and manually set voltages with Memtest86+ to be sure you did not get sent a dead/dying stick >>>
    Memtest86+ - Advanced Memory Diagnostic Tool

    We booted with the 1066 HyperX memory in slots 1 and 3 (Red). Correctly identified as 1066, but 5-6-6-15 at 1.8V. Set the voltage to 2.2V. Rebooted OK and saw POST. Moved memory to slots 0 and 2 (yellow). Would not POST. Just powered up, spun the fan for a second or so, then rebooted. It repeated this cycle until powered off. Reset voltage to Auto (1.8V) and moved memory back to slots 1&3.

    While checking the BIOS version we hit the pause key on the keyboard, noted the BIOS version, then went to dinner. When we came back the machine wouldn't boot. As noted below, we found the Gigabyte 8800GT card had died. Tried it on my ASUS P5B mobo and it was still dead.

    Not good for a new Gigabyte motherboard - especially with a new power supply (Antec 500W).


    You did load optimized defaults for your system once you got up and running right? If not, you should do this. Load optimized defaults in the BIOS, save and apply and reboot BACK TO THE BIOS. You MUST do this to set your disk settings again for your RAID array, if you do not and let windows try to load you will corrupt your array. By the way, you are using the latest BIOS right? If not, please do go ahead and update it (DO NOT USE @BIOS) please see this for your various Qflash and flashing options >>>
    http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/bios...h-guide-27576/

    Yes, we did load the optimised defaults. Tried again anyway - made no difference.

    P45 is a bit tricky, especially with ram and ram timings. I would assume this is likely your IRQ_Less... Issue, and probably also you game performance issue as well

    A BIT tricky? Seriously tricky and dangerous!

    Also be sure you also set Init First Display to PEG in integrated Peripherals page for the first PCIE slot (Peg2 for the second if you are using it)

    Yes. Did that.

    Then please post for me what settings you are trying to use and I will advise you of what would be best for your setup and CPU speed. Ohh, you can put back in your larger PSU as I doubt highly this is the issue >>>>

    Keeping the new one on, just in case it was a power supply problem earlier - although that didn't stop the video card dying.

    This is Just a template I use to ask people their settings, pay no attention to the numbers in it, replace with yours

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    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Auto
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 9x
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:.0 +0.5
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 3.16Ghz (333x9.5)
     
     
    Clock Chip Control 
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled] Disabled
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: Mhz 333
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........:Set to 100 Auto
     
    C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled] Disabled
     
     
    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: <<< 
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: <<< 
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: <<< 
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: <<< 
     
     
    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: [STANDARD] Standard
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: Disabled Auto
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [Auto] Auto
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: auto
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 1066
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual] auto
     
    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................5 (all auto)
    tRCD .........................................6
    tRP'...........................................6
    tRAS..........................................15
     
    Advanced Timing Control (All this stuff is on auto)
    tRRD...........................................
    tWTR..........................................
    tWR............................................
    tRFC...........................................
    tRTP...........................................
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................:2
     
    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength ............................
     
    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................:7-10
     tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:<<< Leave for all below as well
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
     tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
     tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto 
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto 
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto 
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto 
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto  ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto  ps
     
    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................:7-10
     tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:<<< Leave for all below as well
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
     tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
     tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto 
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto 
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto 
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto 
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto  ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto  ps
     
    Motherboard Voltage Control
    Voltage Type.………... Manual Auto
    CPU
    CPU Vcore….……….........................: Auto
    CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......: <<< Leave Auto
    CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: <<< Leave Auto
    CPU Referen.…………....0.755V*.......: <<< .64% Of Vtt (Termination above) Auto
    CPU Reference2………,,0.800V*.......:<<< .67% Of Vtt (Termination above) Auto
     
    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: << Auto
    MCH Reference….…….0.800V...........; <<< Leave Auto 0.760
    MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........: <<< Leave Auto
    ICH I/O……………….....1.550V............: <<< Leave Auto 1.500
    ICH Core…………...……1.100V............: <<< Leave Auto
     
    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: (Was 2.2, but set back to Auto, 1.8V)
    DRAM Termination .…0.900V............: <<< Leave Auto
    Channel A Reference 0.900V............: <<< Leave Auto
    Channel B Reference 0.900V............: <<< Leave Auto
     
    Advanced Settings (no advanced settings set)
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled] Enabled if you use Vmware/Virtual PC
     
    Integrated Peripherals
    Legacy USB Storage Detect ..............[Disabled] *Note* Must be enabled to flash from USB
    I've embedded my answers in the quote. The answers are in red.
    Last edited by Spoonysam; 10-23-2008 at 08:27 PM.

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    Default Re: EP45 DS3P - Wide Range of Problems Help please

    Thanks BongWizard. We removed the heatsink and it works fine. Reconnected the fan and the fan spins. Something must have been jammed or something. Great tip!!

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    Default Re: EP45 DS3P - Wide Range of Problems Help please

    So you all up and running now? It was a GFXc card issue or what?

    If you still have issues with your ram I would advise these settings for you >>>>

    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Fast
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 9x
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:.0 +0.5
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 3.16Ghz (333x9.5)


    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: Mhz 333
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........:Set to 100

    C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled] Disabled


    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: <<<
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: <<<
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: <<<
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: <<<


    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: [STANDARD] Standard
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: Disabled
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [333]
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: 3.20
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 1066
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]

    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................5
    tRCD .........................................5
    tRP'...........................................5
    tRAS..........................................15

    All settings below, set to highest first, then later lower one by one testing between each move


    Advanced Timing Control (All this stuff is on auto)
    tRRD...........................................3-6
    tWTR..........................................3-6 (May need 12 to boot thru first time)
    tWR............................................4-6 (May need 14 to boot thru first time)
    tRFC...........................................38-42 for 2x1 (May need 48 first time)
    tRTP...........................................3-6
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................:2

    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength ............................1066 or 1200, the latter may be better

    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................:7-10
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:<<< Leave for all below as well
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps

    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................:7-10
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:<<< Leave for all below as well
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps

    Motherboard Voltage Control
    Voltage Type.………... Manual Auto
    CPU
    CPU Vcore….……….........................: Auto
    CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......: <<< Leave Auto
    CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: <<< please set to what you see as Auto, auto often overvolts this

    CPU Referen.…………....0.755V*.......: <<< .64% Of Vtt (Termination above) Auto
    CPU Reference2………,,0.800V*.......:<<< .67% Of Vtt (Termination above) Auto

    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: <<1.1-1.2 for stability
    MCH Reference….…….0.800V...........; <<< Leave Auto 0.760
    MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........: <<< Leave Auto
    ICH I/O……………….....1.550V............: <<< Leave Auto 1.500
    ICH Core…………...……1.100V............: <<< Leave Auto

    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: 2.0-2.1 (2.2 is hot, and likely not needed, but it very well could be, I would try 2.1 and if all the above does not help use 2.2 and put a fan on the ram)

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    Default Re: EP45 DS3P - Wide Range of Problems Help please

    We still have a problem with the video card.

    We cleaned off all the old heatsink compound and put the heatsink and fan unit back on using a light smear of Unick heatsink compound (the stuff Dick Smith sells).

    After a couple of minutes there was a burning smell. The top of the capacitors were too hot to touch. Also an area with a diameter of 2cm around the capacitors was very hot; the card has never been so hot after just simple idleing. The copper part of the heatsink (gigabyte 8800gt 512mb with Zulman heatsink + fan), smelt burnt and charred. We shut down and cleaned the card of any dust, in case reinstalling the heatsink had moved some dust over a hot spot, then tried again. We installed RivaTuner to find out how hot the card was getting. By the time i had started to read the manual a person 3m away could smell the burning. We called it quits and shut down until we talked to you guys.

    The only review I can find for Unick heatsink compound is on Overclockers.com.au, and it estimates a 2 or 3 degree difference between it and Arctic Silver II. I suspect it isn't, because of the heat problem with the capacitors, but is there any chance it might be a heatsink compound problem?

    This is starting to sound like an RMA job. Have we voided the warranty by removing the fan and heatsink?

    Any suggestions?

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    Default Re: EP45 DS3P - Wide Range of Problems Help please

    LSDMeASAP - those look like they might be overclocking settings.

    Before we even think of overclocking, my son and I want to find out if the HyperX 1066 memory and EP45-DS3P motherboard work correctly. I'm concerned that the video card has failed since it moved from its old ASUS P5B motherboard to this new system, and that HyperX 1066 memory doesn't work in slots 0 and 2.

    Given that 800mhz Corsair ValueSelect and 800Mhz PQI memory work in slot 0, can you suggest a strategy or some settings to figure out if I have a settings, a motherboard, or memory problems getting the 1066 memory to work in slot 0 and slot 2?

    Oh - and a tip for anyone who owns a DS3P who reads this post - be careful of the clips on the side of memory slots 0 and 1. They're REALLY close to the graphics card and if you leave them open and push the card into position, you can break the clips.

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    HAHA who is Dick Smith! HAHA (You should hear me laughing, dont know why but that is funny for some reason!!)

    Wow, Sorry For the above laughter. I comment as I read! Hmm, not sure if GA offers RMA if you change things like that, but if you ship it back (If you still can) to the place you bought it without mentioning this you can likely for sure get away with it.

    No, those are optimal ranges for stock use of the ram and CPU. All stock, just the lower you go on the ram settings the better the performance/less stable.

    That ram works fine in that board, I do think from your burning smell comments you have a GFX card issue though for sure. Are you sure you did not get any on another part of the card? Not sure about what you are using, but it may contain metal which if you get on anything else (Even under the heatsink) you may have shorted some bard contacts with this paste

    So what do you want settings for here? Sorry you have confused me with your mention of various ram brands and speeds. You should use only 2 of the same speed/brand. So let me know what you want settings for. The above is still my suggested for 2x1 @ 1066. A link to the ram to check voltage would be great, but I assume you are fine with checking that yourself and deciding, again 2.2 is not needed normally even if stated in the specs

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    You're obviously not from Australia. Dick Smith has a large network of electronic hobyist shops in Oz. Sort of like Tandy. He also has a sense of humour. He started out being a hard-core shop for hobyists with lots of electronic bits and kits, and all his trucks had "The Electronic Dick" written in big letters down the side. Then, of course, they were taken over and they lost the sense of humour. Ah well. But my point was that it's compound from a hobyist shop. Not the ultimate, but probably good enough for most non-overclocking applications.

    A shame about the RMA on the video card. Maybe I should have thought a bit about the advice I was given.

    OK. Thanks for the advice on the settings. I was a little unsure when I read the bit about selecting 1200 instead of 1066. I thought they might be for overclocking.

    After a long day's testing, I now know that the pair of 1066s test perfectly in memtest86 if they're in slots 1 and 3, and using the settings you gave. Either stick tests perfectly in slot 2. Neither stick passes if it is put in slot 0. It's looking strongly as though slot 0 doesn't work with 1066 memory - although it works fine with 800 memory.

    The heatsink compound is silicon based. It only went onto the chip and then onto the heatsink. Good point though.

    I was asking if you could suggest settings that would encourage the 1066 memory to work in slot 0, but given today's testing with your optimum settings, I'm not encouraged. It really is looking as though there's a problem with slot 0, not just with the configuration (any suggestions gratefully accepted though).

    The memory is Kingston HyperX KHX8500D2K2/2GN. The Kingston site says it's 5-5-5-15 and 2.2V

    My mention of various brands of memory is because lots of brands of 800 memory work in slot 0. The motherboard is not a basket-case, just not working with hyperX 1066. Sodding annoying though. Why doesn't this equipment just work with standard memory without farnarkling around?

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    Ya, I am not in Oz! Thanks, I got ya!

    Now, even more funny since you added the electronic dick!!!

    I always redo my cards, but maybe you was given bad advice? I am not sure since I did not see or hear the exact info you was given. But like I said and as you saw that is a bard silicon chip under there with many bar contacts around it. And if you are not careful with Metallic based pastes you can fry things. Silicon based certainly does not mean no metal is included, since It is not mainstream I cannot be sure. But usually if it is meant for a CPU it will have metal in it. Got a link to the product page, maybe I can find the exact ingredients. If there is no metal then you may have either tightened the sink down to much and cracked the chip or somehow damaged the card in another way. It should not smell as you have described, which you of course know. And since you only noted this afterwards, sounds like something went wrong for sure

    Sounds to me like you have a faulty slot 0 then, I would RMA if you still can if you plan on using 4 sticks anytime in the future before you sell this board or get another


    1066 settings I would recommend are above, those would be for any slot. Since you say 1066 works in all sots but 0 then 0 sounds to be faulty to me. You could try MCH latch 400 though, that may help if you do not want to RMA

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    Default Re: EP45 DS3P - Wide Range of Problems Help please

    RMA might be a problem. Although we've only had it for a week the video card had been in and out many, many, many times. One time the clip on the side of slot 0 was pointing out (which puts it under the card!), and it broke as pressure was put on the video card to push it in. This happened well after we found slot 0 didn't work with 1066 memory. I've also checked there aren't any plastic bits still in the slot.

    As for the advice, a fellow Canberra dweller posted a reply on page 1 suggesting I remove the heatsink and fan. Well, he was right - the card did start working again after the unit was removed, but only for a while. A couple of minutes later we got the burning smell. It was a good idea, but I should have also thought about the warranty implications.

    Here's a link to the Unick spec sheet. Lots of Zink Oxide apparently. Probably explains why it looks like sun-block cream :)
    UNICK Heat Transfer Compound (N1205) - Dick Smith Electronics - Australia.
    I've checked for any compound being in the wrong place. There was a small amount, which I cleaned up. I re-compounded it and put the unit back on without any sideways movement. Any paste on the chip should now be only between the chip and the heatsink. There's only a little paste, so there shouldn't be any squeezed out between them.

    We retried the 8800GT and it still gets really hot, but I don't know if that is normal. After around 5 minutes the cubical blocks next to the capacitors were too hot to touch. The power plug socket was also hot. There wasn't an overpowering burning smell, at least.

    So, Question 1: Is it normal for the video card to get too hot to touch?

    Question 2: Any suggestions on software I can use to monitor the health of the video card? And what temperatures or values are considered normal? I had a very quick look at RivaTuner before we turned off the PC, and it didn't seem to have any monitoring functions.
    Last edited by Spoonysam; 10-25-2008 at 03:09 PM.

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