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    Default EP45-DS3, E8400 @4ghz, 2x2gb Apogee GT 1066

    hi,

    i have build up an new pc with
    an DS3, e8400 and 2x2gb apogee ddr2 1066 5-5-5-15

    bios is v.F9 and the apogees will run with 1.9 at 1066
    (on my old mainboard and P35 DS3 they run at 1180 with 2.0v)

    for now i have OC'ed my cpu too 4ghz like this:

    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: AUTO
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 9
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:.0
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 4.00ghz


    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 445Mhz
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........:100

    C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]


    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: 800
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: 900
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: 0


    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: [STANDARD]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: Disabled
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [333]
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: 2.40B
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 1068
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]

    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................5
    tRCD .........................................5
    tRP'...........................................5
    tRAS..........................................15

    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD...........................................aut o (3)
    tWTR..........................................auto (3)
    tWR............................................aut o (6)
    tRFC...........................................52
    tRTP...........................................aut o (3)
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................:auto (0)

    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength ............................1066

    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................:8
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps

    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................:8
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps

    Motherboard Voltage Control
    Voltage Type.………... Manual
    CPU
    CPU Vcore….……….........................: 1.45 (under load in windows= 1.38
    CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......: 1.2
    CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: 1.5
    CPU Referen.…………....0.755V*.......: Auto (0.760)
    CPU Reference2………,,0.800V*.......: don't have this bios option

    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: 1.2
    MCH Reference….…….0.800V...........; auto (0.760)
    MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........: auto (0.900)
    ICH I/O……………….....1.550V............: auto (1.500)
    ICH Core…………...……1.100V............: don't have this option

    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: 1.960
    DRAM Termination .…0.900V............: auto (0.900)
    Channel A Reference 0.900V............: auto (0.900)
    Channel B Reference 0.900V............: auto (0.900)

    Advanced Settings
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Enabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled]

    CPU and northbridge are watercooled, so they get not warm.

    for now system seems to be stable, is there any fault in my config?

    and *how can i increase my RAM performance, because i can't get the
    2x2gb over 1068mhz stable.

    how can i do this, my older P35-DS3 reaced more ram performance so will
    get this again if this is possible.

    the apogess run very smooth, i have run them at 580 1:1 at 2.2v
    (max. for this ram is 2.3v)

    thx for reading

    alice

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    Default Re: EP45-DS3, E8400 @4ghz, 2x2gb Apogee GT 1066

    For better performance you would need to manually set all the ram timings.

    Driving Strength ............................1066 << I find the next one above ram speed being used is better. So try out 1200

    Channel A & B
    Static tRead Value.........................:8 << you can try 7 but it may not work at those speeds.

    You may also need a bit more MCH with your ram to be stable with that config and those speeds.

    What you can do for more stability is use the 400 MHC latch and that will allow the ram to go much higher as the Northbridge timings will be looser then using the 333 Latch. So try this and see how it compares >>>

    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: 50-150


    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: [STANDARD]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: Disabled
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [400]
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: 2.40D
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 1068
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]

    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................5
    tRCD .........................................5
    tRP'...........................................5
    tRAS..........................................15

    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD...........................................3-5
    tWTR..........................................3-6
    tWR............................................4-8
    tRFC...........................................52-62
    tRTP...........................................3-6
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................:2
    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength ............................1066-1200

    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................:8-10
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps

    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................:8-10
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps

    Motherboard Voltage Control
    Voltage Type.………... Manual
    CPU
    CPU Vcore….……….........................: 1.45 (under load in windows= 1.38
    CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......: 1.2-1.35
    CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: 1.5
    CPU Referen.…………....0.755V*.......: Auto (0.760)
    CPU Reference2………,,0.800V*.......: don't have this bios option

    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: 1.2 -1.3
    MCH Reference….…….0.800V...........; auto (0.760)
    MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........: auto (0.900)
    ICH I/O……………….....1.550V............: auto (1.500)
    ICH Core…………...……1.100V............: don't have this option

    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: 1.960 -2.1

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    Default Re: EP45-DS3, E8400 @4ghz, 2x2gb Apogee GT 1066

    hi,

    thx for your fast answer!

    but i cant set the 400mch latch...

    if i set this, system will not boot first, then i boot but settings are not taken...

    ?

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    Default Re: EP45-DS3, E8400 @4ghz, 2x2gb Apogee GT 1066

    Try again with a higher Static tread. If you still are failing to boot properly (Double boot is normal) post your full settings you are trying and I will advise

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    Default Re: EP45-DS3, E8400 @4ghz, 2x2gb Apogee GT 1066

    hi,

    i try'd to get 400mch latch, but it will not work for me?
    no boot, or fail to startup windows

    but i get this config:

    memorys at 556 mhz (1112) with 5-5-5-15-52 , 4:5
    with 266mch latch at 445fsb to run

    my used 2x2gb rams are this one's:
    Apogees GT 1066, to see here: Walton Chaintech

    here my complete config :

    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: fast
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 9x
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................: 0.0
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 4.00ghz

    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 445 Mhz
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........:Set to 100
    C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]

    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: 800
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: 900
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: 50
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: 100

    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: [Turbo]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: Disabled
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [266]
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: 2.5A
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 1113
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]
    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................5
    tRCD .........................................5
    tRP'...........................................5
    tRAS..........................................15
    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD...........................................3
    tWTR..........................................3
    tWR............................................6
    tRFC...........................................52
    tRTP...........................................3
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................:2
    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength ............................1066mhz
    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................:8
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................:8
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Motherboard Voltage Control
    Voltage Type.………... Manual
    CPU
    CPU Vcore….……….........................: 1.45 (under load= 1.37vc, idle= 1.4vc)
    CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......: 1.3
    CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: 1.57
    CPU Referen.…………....0.76V*.......: Auto
    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: 1.32
    MCH Reference….…….0.760V...........; AUto
    MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........: AUto
    ICH I/O……………….....1.500V............: AUto
    ICH Core…………...……1.100V............: AUto
    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: 2.1 (under load=2.02vdimm, idle=2.06vdimm)
    DRAM Termination .…0.900V............: AUto
    Channel A Reference 0.900V............: AUto
    Channel B Reference 0.900V............: AUto
    Advanced Settings
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Enabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: Disabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: Disabled]
    Integrated Peripherals
    Legacy USB Storage Detect ..............[Disabled]

    for now this seems stable for me, like no problems with
    games or orthos (little 1h test).

    questions:

    is anything in my config that is bad to run as an 24/7 config?
    anything too high (esp. voltages)?

    or can i anything do for more stability?

    do you have further tips for me with this config?


    and of course, thank you for reading.

    alice
    Last edited by alice; 11-05-2008 at 07:57 PM.

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    Default Re: EP45-DS3, E8400 @4ghz, 2x2gb Apogee GT 1066

    hi,

    upps.

    this morning after 14h power off (cord plugged in) for some resason
    my pc don't start up (coldboot), blackscreen.

    after pressing reset, the bios set default/auto values for fsb and
    mch latch and it will start.

    i manually changed this settings to the values aboveand again
    erverything will work fine !?!

    whats that?

    cu

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    Default Re: EP45-DS3, E8400 @4ghz, 2x2gb Apogee GT 1066

    WOW I am very surprised you can boot 266 MCH latch at that speed, I would have to assume that is not going to be stable

    Performance Enhance on Turbo is also not going to help. Your vcore and PLL/Vtt could come down a bit for sure once you get the ram/NB going on a a looser FSB

    333 and or 400 would be much easier to get stable and then you would be able to likely use less voltages. 400 should be the easiest for you to use, I would have to think it did not boot for you only because you had some other setting to tight (Like maybe trd (Static tread) try 9 or you forgot to set your memory multi again after you switched to it)

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    Default Re: EP45-DS3, E8400 @4ghz, 2x2gb Apogee GT 1066

    hi,

    Quote Originally Posted by Lsdmeasap View Post
    WOW I am very surprised you can boot 266 MCH latch at that speed, I would have to assume that is not going to be stable

    Performance Enhance on Turbo is also not going to help. Your vcore and PLL/Vtt could come down a bit for sure once you get the ram/NB going on a a looser FSB

    333 and or 400 would be much easier to get stable and then you would be able to likely use less voltages. 400 should be the easiest for you to use, I would have to think it did not boot for you only because you had some other setting to tight (Like maybe trd (Static tread) try 9 or you forgot to set your memory multi again after you switched to it)
    hmm,

    266mch latch, work very smooth here, except this problem at *coldboot.
    an warmboot is no problem at all incl. softboot and hardboot.

    for now i try'd to set Performance Enhance on Standart.
    i hope this helps next morning

    i try'd very often to boot with 400mch. but i have never luck with this.

    can you give me an example config (using my HW)
    to start for 400mch latch?

    cu

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    Default Re: EP45-DS3, E8400 @4ghz, 2x2gb Apogee GT 1066

    Well most often cold boot issue is due to more voltage needed, so if what you are using fails then try a bit more voltage. That and Performance enhance on Turbo can also cause it.

    For 400 MCH try this >>>>

    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: fast
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 9x
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................: 0.0
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 4.05ghz

    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 450 Mhz
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........:Set to 100
    C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]

    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: 800
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: 900
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: 50
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: 150-200

    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: [Standard]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: Disabled
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [400]
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: 2.00D
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 900
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]
    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................5
    tRCD .........................................5
    tRP'...........................................5
    tRAS..........................................15

    These will be very loose, so you should for sure be able to boot in. Once you do and you decide if maybe you want to keep this speed, then you can likely use 444-12 or 544-12 for your main timings as your ram speed is under stock

    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD...........................................5
    tWTR..........................................14
    tWR............................................16
    tRFC...........................................68
    tRTP...........................................5
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................:2

    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength ............................1066-1200mhz
    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................:9-10
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................:9-10
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Motherboard Voltage Control
    Voltage Type.………... Manual
    CPU
    CPU Vcore….……….........................: 1.45 (under load= 1.37vc, idle= 1.4vc) << Less will likely be fine, like 1.325-1.34 actual

    CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......: 1.26
    CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: 1.50
    CPU Referen.…………....0.76V*.......: Auto

    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: 1.24-1.28
    MCH Reference….…….0.760V...........; AUto
    MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........: AUto
    ICH I/O……………….....1.500V............: 1.55
    ICH Core…………...……1.100V............: 1.14

    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: 2.1 (under load=2.02vdimm, idle=2.06vdimm)
    DRAM Termination .…0.900V............: AUto
    Channel A Reference 0.900V............: AUto
    Channel B Reference 0.900V............: AUto
    Advanced Settings
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Enabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: Disabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: Disabled]
    Integrated Peripherals
    Legacy USB Storage Detect ..............[Disabled]

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