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    Default ga-ep43-ds3l stability issues

    Hello,

    First of all, this is an awesome forum. Wish I had found it 5 days ago when I still had hair!

    I am having stability issues with the new system I put together. I was able to bring to a point following this post (http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/ga-e...problem-28242/) where I can install OS and run 15 mins to 4-5 hours depending on the day. However, the system still freezes up randomly.

    Here is my system spec:
    Mainboard: ga-ep43-ds3l/s3l F7
    CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8400
    Video Card: PNY NVIDIA GeForce 9400 GT w/ 512 MB
    HD: WD Cavier 120GB 7200RPM
    Memory: OCZ 4 GB (4X1GB) PC2 8500

    The memory test (using memtest86+ v2.1) has failed for each memory dimms. The memory, cpu and the mainboard all are brand new, of course. The tests run OK until Test #3 and it goes all downhill from there to a point where
    the PC freezes.

    Here is my cpuZ results:





    Here is my BIOS settings:
    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: FAST
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 9x
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:.+0.0
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 3.00Ghz (333x9)


    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 333
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........: 100
    C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]


    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: 800mV
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: 900mV
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0ps
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: 0ps


    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: [Turbo]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: Auto
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [Auto]
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: Auto
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 1066
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Auto]

    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................ 5 [Auto]
    tRCD ......................................... 5 Auto
    tRP'........................................... 5 Auto
    tRAS.......................................... 15 Auto

    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD........................................... 4 Auto
    tWTR.......................................... 4 Auto
    tWR............................................ 8 Auto
    tRFC........................................... 56
    tRTP........................................... 4
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................:0

    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength ............................

    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................:8
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:0
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:0
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:0
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:0
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:8
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:8
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:7
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:9
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto

    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................:8
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:0
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:0
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:0
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:0
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................: 8
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................: 8
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................: 7
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................: 9
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto

    Motherboard Voltage Control
    Voltage Type.………...
    CPU
    CPU Vcore….……….........................: 1.25000v
    CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......: <<< Leave
    CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: 1.550V
    CPU Referen.…………....0.760V*.......: 0.762V
    CPU Reference2………,,???????*.......: not on list

    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: 1.200V
    MCH Reference….…….0.760V...........; <<< Leave
    MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........: <<< Leave
    ICH I/O……………….....1.500V............: 1.550V
    ICH Core…………...……???????............: not there

    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: 2.100V
    DRAM Termination .…0.900V............: <<< Leave
    Channel A Reference 0.900V............: <<< Leave
    Channel B Reference 0.900V............: <<< Leave

    Advanced Settings
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Enabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Enabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: [Enabled] Enabled if you use Vmware/Virtual PC

    Integrated Peripherals
    Legacy USB Storage Detect ..............[Enabled] *Note* Must be enabled to flash from USB

    Any help is highly appreciated!

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    Default Re: ga-ep43-ds3l stability issues

    Well, Hopefully we can save what little hair you have left now!

    Did you test each stick one by one at stock settings (Manually set Speed, Main timings, And ram voltages with Performance Enhance on Standard)? If not you should to be sure you don't have a faulty stick in the mix.

    With that being said, I see a few things that may have you failing. Are you using the latest BIOS? If so did you load and apply optimized defaults after you flashed? You MUST do this, load optimized, set ram voltage, save and apply and reboot back to the BIOS and make all other changes (This includes setting the disk settings again as they will be reset).

    I mainly asked about this because of your blank on "Driving Strength Profiles", if you are using the latest BIOS and do not see this try the hotkey. That would be, on the MAIN page of the BIOS hit Control + F1 and the screen will flash, then go into MIT section and see if you find it. Your board may not have it, I am not sure as you did not list the model DS3L and S3L are different boards but with both of them being Budget "L" Boards (And the P43 series is budget series in itself) you may just not have that option ever.

    So see if this helps any >>>>

    Here is my BIOS settings:
    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: FAST
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 9x
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:.+0.0
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 3.00Ghz (333x9)


    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 333
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........: 100
    C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]


    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: 800mV
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: 900mV
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0ps
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: 50-150 (try last, may help with final stability after you get more stable)


    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: [Standard] << Likely the whole cause of your issues

    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: Disabled
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [333] << Set all voltages, high Static tRead, trfc, then this and reset memory multiplier again and save and reboot to make the rest of the changes. Or you can set this, memory multi and voltages only then reboot for the rest. Main thing is to try as little other changes with this as possible, it helps but is not necessary. You can set it all at once if you like, just trying to make it easy for you as sometimes that makes things harder to get going
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: 3.20
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 1066
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]

    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................ 5
    tRCD ......................................... 5
    tRP'........................................... 5
    tRAS.......................................... 15

    Set to all highest below first, then later lower one at a time testing with memtest86+ as you go.

    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD........................................... 3-5
    tWTR.......................................... 3-6 (May need 12 first time you set to boot thru)
    tWR............................................ 4-6 (May need 14 first time you set to boot thru)
    tRFC........................................... 52-62 (May need 68 for first time
    tRTP........................................... 3-6
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................:2

    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength ............................1066-1200 (If you have this, I find one above ram speed to work best)

    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................:7-10
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto<< Auto and set all adjustments below both static tReads to Auto for both channels.

    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto

    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................:7-10
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto<< Auto and set all adjustments below both static tReads to Auto for both channels.

    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................: Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................: Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................: Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto

    Motherboard Voltage Control
    Voltage Type.………...
    CPU
    CPU Vcore….……….........................: 1.25000v Auto
    CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......: <<< Leave
    CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: 1.550V << Set to what you see on the left as stock, Auto overvolts this often

    CPU Referen.…………....0.760V*.......: 0.762V << Set to Auto


    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: 1.200V -1.3 << Needed for 4x1GB
    MCH Reference….…….0.760V...........; <<< Leave
    MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........: <<< Leave
    ICH I/O……………….....1.500V............: 1.550V


    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: 2.100V
    DRAM Termination .…0.900V............: <<< Leave
    Channel A Reference 0.900V............: <<< Leave
    Channel B Reference 0.900V............: <<< Leave

    Advanced Settings
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Enabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Enabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: [Enabled] Enabled if you use Vmware/Virtual PC

    Integrated Peripherals
    Legacy USB Storage Detect ..............[Enabled] *Note* Must be enabled to flash from USB

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    Default Re: ga-ep43-ds3l stability issues



    Yes, I tested them individually at stock options. As I posted this last night, I realized that cpuZ indicated my memory as PC2 5300 not PC2 8500. So I modified my clock speed to 333 MHz from M.I.T and the system is stable.

    However, since the memory is supposed to be pc2 8500. I am going to flash the bios to F8 (currently F7) and see if the system will run at 1066 MHz.

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    Default Re: ga-ep43-ds3l stability issues

    Be sure you load optimized defaults, set your ram voltage and then save and apply after you flash. DO NOT USE @BIOS, here is a qflash guide >>>
    http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/bios...h-guide-27576/

    All 1066 ram must be set to 1066 manually by the user, so do not be surprised when you see it at 800

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    Default Re: ga-ep43-ds3l stability issues

    wow, I didn't know the freezing problem that happened periodically was due to the mother board. I suppose I can fix that now by overlooking the advice you guys mentioned above.

    me =

    I upgraded from 4gb to 8gb and ran into problems. The boot up process recognizes 8gb but windows xp only shows 4gb in my computer properties.

    Any ideas?

    My PC details:

    This GB motherboard (obviously)
    Intel Quad 9550 2.83ghz
    4 sticks of Kingston 2gb - PC2 6400 240 Dimm Pin
    Video - eh..some generic
    Sound - on board
    HDD - 500gb SATA
    Windows XP SP3

    Thanks in advance for your help.

    -Steven
    Last edited by eglobal84; 03-06-2009 at 04:44 PM.

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    Default Re: ga-ep43-ds3l stability issues

    What does CPU-z show in the Memory Tab for size? And you do know that 32Bit XP can only use 3-3.5GB depending on your Graphics card right?

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    Default Re: ga-ep43-ds3l stability issues

    CPU-Z program says in the memory section 8192 MBytes.

    Didn't know I needed a 64 bit to run more then 4gigs ram. I will do the upgrade next weekend when I have more time. Thanks for the help,

    -Steven

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    Default Re: ga-ep43-ds3l stability issues

    Yep, you will need to use a x64 system to be able to use more then 4GB (3.25-4GB depending on hardware)

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