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Thread: Saga #2 - Q9450 @ 3.2Ghz woes




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    Default Re: Saga #2 - Q9450 @ 3.2Ghz woes

    Quote Originally Posted by cdelong View Post
    Instead of getting pissed off why don't you post you full specs and BIOS settings, so we can be of some help....
    I have before at the top of the topic, but I will again.

    [-Specs-]
    Gigabyte GA-EX38-DS4 Motherboard (Bios F5)
    Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450
    Patriot Viper 2x2GB DDR2-800 4-4-4-12 Memory
    Seagate 500GB HDD SATA2
    2x Powercolor HD3870X2 GDDR4 Video Cards
    TRU120E Heatsink w/2x Scythe S-Flex SFF21F fans
    Thermaltake Armor+ Case
    Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit w/SP1

    [-BIOS Settings-]
    HDD Smart Capability = disabled
    Limit CPUID Max to 3 = disabled
    No-Execute Memory protect = enabled
    C1E = disabled
    TM2 = enabled
    EIST = disabled
    Virtualization Tech = disabled
    Init Display First = PEG
    CPU Warning Temp = 70oC
    CPU FAN Warning = enabled
    SYSTEM FAN 1 Warning = enabled
    Smart FAN Control Method = disabled
    R.G.B = turbo
    CPU Clock Ratio = 8x
    CPU Host Clock Control = enabled
    CPU Host Frequency = 401 mhz
    PCI-E Frequency = 100 mhz
    CIA2 = disabled
    Performance Enhance = standard
    System Memory Multiplier = 2.00D
    CAS Latency Timer = 4
    DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay = 4
    DRAM RAS# precharge = 4
    Precharge Delay = 12
    ACT to ACT delay = 3
    Rank write to read delay = 3
    Write to precharge delay = 6
    refresh to act delay = 56
    read to precharge delay = 3
    static tread value = 8
    static tread phase adjust = Auto/0
    command rate = 2T
    System Voltage Control = manual
    DDR2 OV Control = +0.35v
    PCI-E OV Control = +0.10vl
    FSB OV Control = +0.10v
    (G)MCH OV Control = +0.225v
    CPU Voltage Control = 1.28125v

    Something is seriously wrong I think. BSODs, RSODs, Assassin's Creed causing problems, Vista thinking the CPU is at fault all the time...what am I to do??

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    Default Re: Saga #2 - Q9450 @ 3.2Ghz woes

    Quote Originally Posted by Nova Phoenix View Post
    I have before at the top of the topic, but I will again.

    [-Specs-]
    Gigabyte GA-EX38-DS4 Motherboard (Bios F5)
    Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450
    Patriot Viper 2x2GB DDR2-800 4-4-4-12 Memory
    Seagate 500GB HDD SATA2
    2x Powercolor HD3870X2 GDDR4 Video Cards
    TRU120E Heatsink w/2x Scythe S-Flex SFF21F fans
    Thermaltake Armor+ Case
    Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit w/SP1

    [-BIOS Settings-]
    HDD Smart Capability = disabled
    Limit CPUID Max to 3 = disabled
    No-Execute Memory protect = enabled
    C1E = disabled
    TM2 = enabled
    EIST = disabled
    Virtualization Tech = disabled
    Init Display First = PEG
    CPU Warning Temp = 70oC
    CPU FAN Warning = enabled
    SYSTEM FAN 1 Warning = enabled
    Smart FAN Control Method = disabled
    R.G.B = turbo
    CPU Clock Ratio = 8x
    CPU Host Clock Control = enabled
    CPU Host Frequency = 401 mhz
    PCI-E Frequency = 100 mhz
    CIA2 = disabled
    Performance Enhance = standard
    System Memory Multiplier = 2.00D
    CAS Latency Timer = 4
    DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay = 4
    DRAM RAS# precharge = 4
    Precharge Delay = 12
    ACT to ACT delay = 4
    Rank write to read delay = 4
    Write to precharge delay = 6
    refresh to act delay = 58-62
    read to precharge delay = 4
    static tread value = 9
    static tread phase adjust = Auto/0
    command rate = 2T
    System Voltage Control = manual
    DDR2 OV Control = +0.35v??
    PCI-E OV Control = +0.10v
    FSB OV Control = +0.10v (is this +Vcore??)
    (G)MCH OV Control = +0.20v
    CPU Voltage Control = 1.3750v


    don't know what your stock memory volts are, but just bump it up +0.1v over rated voltage. I don't have FSB OV Control setting on my UD3P- is that like +vcore?
    Gigabyte EP45- UD3P
    E8500 Wolfdale @ 4.1ghz
    2x2gb G.Skill PC6400, DDR864, 5-4-4-12
    (3)- Samsung 320gb Spinpoint hdd's in Raid 5
    ASUS TOP 4850 w/Glaciator Fansink
    Lite-On 16x DVD x 2
    D-Tek Fuzion WB
    Thermochill PA120.2 radiator
    2x120 SFF21-F fans
    Liang D5 pump

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    Default Re: Saga #2 - Q9450 @ 3.2Ghz woes

    FSB OV is voltage control for the FSB. It is independant of the Vcore. I'm surprised your mobo does not feature it. Anyways...

    Stock memory voltage at 800Mhz and 4-4-4-12-2T, according to Patriot is 2.2v! I boosted it to +0.35v because +0.30v wasn't quite reaching it.

    CPU Voltage Control, is the Vcore! Why do you suggest I set it that high? At that setting, after vdrop, the chip will probably be about to breach the safety range set by Intel.

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    Default Re: Saga #2 - Q9450 @ 3.2Ghz woes

    The way you post your BIOS setting is very confusing to me. Can you please use this so that they appear as they do in your BIOS please >>>


    Code:
    Robust Graphics Booster___________ [Auto]
    CPU Clock Ratio ____________ [8] 
    Fine Clock Ratio ____________[0.5]
    CPU Host Clock Control_ [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (MHz)__________ [450] 
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_______ [100]
    C.I.A. 2__________________________ [Disabled]
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD)____ [2.00]
    DRAM Timing Selectable_______ SPD __ [Manual]
    
    Performance Enhance = [Standard]
    
    CAS Latency Time________________ ?
    Dram RAS# to CAS# Delay_________ ?
    Dram RAS# Precharge Delay_______?
    Precharge Delay (tRAS)__________ ?
    
    ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)_________ ?
    Rank Write to READ Delay________ ?
    Write to Precharge Delay_________ ?
    Refresh to ACT Delay______________ ?
    Read to Precharge Delay__________ ?
    Static tRead Value_______________
    Static tRead Phase Adjust________ [Auto]
    
    CPU/PCIEX Clock Driving Control [800mV]
    CPU Clock Skew Control [normal]
    GMCH Clock Skew Control [Normal]
    
    System Voltage Control____ [Manual]
    DDR2 OverVoltage Control__ [+0.300V] 
    PCI-E OverVoltage Control_ [+0.1V] 
    FSB OverVoltage Control___ [+0.1V] 
    (G)MCH OverVoltage Control [+0.1V] 
    CPU Voltage Control_______ [1.25]
    
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled] Enabled if you use Vmware/Virtual PC
    
    Integrated Peripherals
    Legacy USB Storage Detect___________________[Disabled] *Note* Must be enabled to flash from USB
    Please also link your ram so we can be sure of what is warranted, if 2.2V is on the sticker that would be it. And that would not generally be needed either, just warranted

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    Default Re: Saga #2 - Q9450 @ 3.2Ghz woes

    Link my ram? Exactly how do I do that on a Gigabyte GA-EX38-DS4? I don't think it has this feature even after Ctrl+F1. Believe me, I've been over the manual and the actual bios quite a number of times.

    Robust Graphics Booster___________ [Turbo]
    CPU Clock Ratio ____________ [8]
    Fine Clock Ratio ____________[x] << q9450 cannot enable this
    CPU Host Clock Control_ [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (MHz)__________ [401] << you suggested this, lsdmeasap, a post or two ago
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_______ [100]
    C.I.A. 2__________________________ [Disabled]
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD)____ [2.00]
    DRAM Timing Selectable_______ SPD __ [Manual]

    Performance Enhance = [Standard]

    CAS Latency Time________________ 4
    Dram RAS# to CAS# Delay_________ 4
    Dram RAS# Precharge Delay_______4
    Precharge Delay (tRAS)__________ 12

    ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)_________ 3
    Rank Write to READ Delay________ 3
    Write to Precharge Delay_________ 6
    Refresh to ACT Delay______________ 56
    Read to Precharge Delay__________ 6
    Static tRead Value_______________8
    Static tRead Phase Adjust________ [Auto]

    CPU/PCIEX Clock Driving Control [800mV]
    CPU Clock Skew Control [normal]
    GMCH Clock Skew Control [Normal]

    System Voltage Control____ [Manual]
    DDR2 OverVoltage Control__ [+0.350V]
    PCI-E OverVoltage Control_ [+0.1V]
    FSB OverVoltage Control___ [+0.1V]
    (G)MCH OverVoltage Control [+0.225V]
    CPU Voltage Control_______ [1.28125v]

    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled] << not present
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled] << not present
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled]

    Integrated Peripherals
    Legacy USB Storage Detect___________________[Enabled] << I use usb drives sometimes for storage

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    Default Re: Saga #2 - Q9450 @ 3.2Ghz woes

    I meant for your to give me a link to a URL With your ram, sorry for the confusion!

    See if this helps you any >>>

    Robust Graphics Booster___________ [Turbo] << try Fast for now to rule this out as a issue

    CPU Clock Ratio ____________ [8]
    Fine Clock Ratio ____________[x] << q9450 cannot enable this << Then you need to update your BIOS and or Load and apply/save/reboot optimized defaults. However, your CPU has max multi of 8, so you can only use 6, 6.5, 7, 7.5, or 8

    CPU Host Clock Control_ [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (MHz)__________ [401] << you suggested this, lsdmeasap, a post or two ago
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_______ [100]
    C.I.A. 2__________________________ [Disabled]
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD)____ [2.00] << 2.00? Use 2.00D
    DRAM Timing Selectable_______ SPD __ [Manual]

    Performance Enhance = [Standard]

    CAS Latency Time________________ 4
    Dram RAS# to CAS# Delay_________ 4
    Dram RAS# Precharge Delay_______4
    Precharge Delay (tRAS)__________ 12

    ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)_________ 3
    Rank Write to READ Delay________ 9-11
    Write to Precharge Delay_________11-14

    Refresh to ACT Delay______________ 56
    Read to Precharge Delay__________ 6
    Static tRead Value_______________8
    Static tRead Phase Adjust________ [Auto]

    CPU/PCIEX Clock Driving Control [800mV]
    CPU Clock Skew Control [normal] 50
    GMCH Clock Skew Control [Normal] 150

    System Voltage Control____ [Manual]
    DDR2 OverVoltage Control__ [+0.350V]
    PCI-E OverVoltage Control_ [+0.1V]
    FSB OverVoltage Control___ [+0.1V]
    (G)MCH OverVoltage Control [+0.225V] << +0.2-0.3
    CPU Voltage Control_______ [1.28125v] << you may need more, after vdrop and vdroop this is going to be less for sure

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    Default Re: Saga #2 - Q9450 @ 3.2Ghz woes

    Bios is F5, the latest non-beta. Therefore, this is the latest bios (f6a technically is but it is a beta, so not 100% trustworthy!).

    The link you requested: Patriot Memory - Products

    Sorry for the confusion about the strap. It is currently set to 2.00D.

    At that Vcore setting, CPU-Z goes between 1.264v and 1.280v.

    UPDATE: Settings applied as lsdmeasap suggested.
    The 2nd and 3rd memory sub timings were set to 10 and 13 respectively (just like it was when they were set to 3 and 6 - a space of 3...if that makes sense).
    Vcore was raised to 1.30v - CPUZ reporting between 1.280v and 1.296v now.
    Last edited by Nova Phoenix; 12-12-2008 at 06:38 PM.

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    Default Re: Saga #2 - Q9450 @ 3.2Ghz woes

    Just got another BSOD.

    Crysis Wars was acting weird, so I disabled CrossFireX just in case. Just as it was confirming my choice (it seemed to confirm), a BSOD came up. As always, it starts with 0x0000124.

    Coincidence, or would something else have happened? No other software was doing anything at the time.

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    Default Re: Saga #2 - Q9450 @ 3.2Ghz woes

    Have you run memtest at your current memory settings?

    Find your max memory potential in memtest then back down 5-10mhz in the Windows environment.
    Gigabyte EP45- UD3P
    E8500 Wolfdale @ 4.1ghz
    2x2gb G.Skill PC6400, DDR864, 5-4-4-12
    (3)- Samsung 320gb Spinpoint hdd's in Raid 5
    ASUS TOP 4850 w/Glaciator Fansink
    Lite-On 16x DVD x 2
    D-Tek Fuzion WB
    Thermochill PA120.2 radiator
    2x120 SFF21-F fans
    Liang D5 pump

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    Default Re: Saga #2 - Q9450 @ 3.2Ghz woes

    I decided to run a Large FFT test in Prime95 overnight, to test for CPU overheat. The test was not as long as I wanted it to be (about 6 hours), but it didn't seem to come up with any errors. I also noticed that even though core #3 is out of alignment with the others, it and the rest never breached the BIOS safety threshold of 70oC (I set this personally).

    I will run MemTest overnight tonight.

    If MemTest passes with no errors, does that mean that the RAM is okay? Also, if a Large FFT test passes, could that also rule out the CPU? I'm thinking that if it can't handle the heat output during that test, it would have said something sooner.

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