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    Default Trouble with 480MHz+ on GA-EP45-UD3P w/Q9650

    Hi,

    My system is this:

    Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P F7a
    Intel Q9650 3,0@4,32 GHz (480x9)
    Corsair Dominator DDR2 PC8500 4x2 GB
    Club3D 4870x2
    Thermaltake Toughpower 1200W CableManagement
    3x Western Digital Raptor 150GB 16MB Raid0
    Hitachi Deskstar 320GB
    Antec P180
    Swiftech 655
    Swiftech GTZ (CPU)
    XSPC X20 Delta (NB)
    Ek 150ml res
    TFC 480 w/8x YateLoons DL12 in push/pull @1000RPM
    MasterKleer 11.1mm ID tubing
    HP LP2475w 24" + ViewSonic VX922 19"
    Vista Ultimate 64bit SP1

    I'm having serious problems going beyond 480MHz FSB.
    I've tried just about everything (probably just not the right thing...).
    I've used higher Vcore (up to 1.5), higher VTT (up to 1.44) and higher MCH Core (up to 1.6) with the GTLs following.

    I've tried with different multis at 500MHz FSB from 6-9 with no positive effect.

    I've tried running only two sticks of RAM at 500x6 - also with no luck.

    I can boot to Vista with no problems, but my quick and dirty test that consists of downloading a zip file and unpacking it, results in corrupted files.

    With my current (shown below) stable setting at 480x9 I get no corrupted files and I can pass IntelBurnTest, OCCT and Prime95 (so far only tested for 8hrs).

    Any suggestions are welcome.

    My BIOS settings are as follows:


    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Auto
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 9
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:.0
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 4320


    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 480
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........: 100

    C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]


    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: 900mV
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: 1000mV
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: 0


    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: [STANDARD]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: Disabled
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [Auto]
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: 2.00B
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 960
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]

    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................ 5
    tRCD ......................................... 5
    tRP'........................................... 5
    tRAS.......................................... 15

    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD...........................................AUT O/stock
    tWTR..........................................AUTO/stock
    tWR............................................AUT O/stock
    tRFC...........................................AUT O/stock
    tRTP...........................................AUT O/stock
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................:AUTO/stock

    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength ............................AUTO/stock

    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................:Auto/stock
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:<<< Leave for all below as well
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps

    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................:Auto/stock
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:<<< Leave for all below as well
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps

    LLC: enabled

    Motherboard Voltage Control
    Voltage Type.………... Manual
    CPU
    CPU Vcore….……….........................: 1.4

    CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......: 1.38
    CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: 1.5

    CPU Referen.…………....0.755V*.......: set to stock when VTT was also set to stock, and from thereon only VTT was changed so this follows automatically

    CPU Reference2………,,0.800V*.......: as above

    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: 1.4
    MCH Reference….…….0.800V...........; same procedure as CPU Ref.
    MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........: 0.91
    ICH I/O……………….....1.550V............: 1.5
    ICH Core…………...……1.100V............: 1.1

    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: 2.12
    DRAM Termination .…0.900V............: 0.91
    Channel A Reference 0.900V............: 0.91
    Channel B Reference 0.900V............: 0.91

    Advanced Settings
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Disabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled]

    Integrated Peripherals
    Legacy USB Storage Detect ..............[Enabled]
    Gigabyte GA-EP45-DQ6
    Intel Q9650 3,0@4,41 GHz (490x9)
    Corsair Dominator DDR2 PC8500 4x2 GB
    Club3D 4870x2
    Corsair HX1000
    3x Western Digital Raptor 150GB 16MB Raid0
    Hitachi Deskstar 320GB
    Swiftech 655
    Swiftech GTZ (CPU)
    XSPC X20 Delta (NB)
    Ek 150ml res
    TFC 480 w/8x YateLoons DL12 in push/pull @1000RPM
    MasterKleer 11.1mm ID tubing
    HP LP2475w 24" + ViewSonic VX922 19"
    Vista Ultimate 64bit SP1

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    Default Re: Trouble with 480MHz+ on GA-EP45-UD3P w/Q9650

    set your trap to 400 ... 2.0D for now

    Command Rate (CMD) ....................: 2
    Static tRead Value.........................: 9 .. higher then you need more here 10-12 to make stable .. but 9 seem good for this ram under 500mhz

    divider streingh = 1066

    that will get you 500 easy ... it was your ram setting ... also ... when OC ... use 2 ram only ... when stable then use 4 ... that way it is much eaiser to OC. .. also try to put in the sub ram value .. don't use auto

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    Default Re: Trouble with 480MHz+ on GA-EP45-UD3P w/Q9650

    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: 100ps
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: 200ps-300ps

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    Default Re: Trouble with 480MHz+ on GA-EP45-UD3P w/Q9650

    + 1 for ^^^

    Maybe even
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: 100-200ps

    WOW that is a LOT of auto's for trying to push your system and wondering why it is not working. I would for sure be manually setting all that ram. What do you get in memset shown for the above stable settings?

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    Default Re: Trouble with 480MHz+ on GA-EP45-UD3P w/Q9650

    Quote Originally Posted by Lsdmeasap View Post
    WOW that is a LOT of auto's for trying to push your system and wondering why it is not working. I would for sure be manually setting all that ram. What do you get in memset shown for the above stable settings?
    Maybe so, but I cannot get it stable even at 480x9 with the settings that was provided here.

    I'm sure I have a lot to learn about mem settings and as far as I could tell just by quickly browsing this forum, there are some guides for the mem settings - correct?

    Anyway, here is my memset output:
    Attached Images Attached Images Trouble with 480MHz+ on GA-EP45-UD3P w/Q9650-memset480x9-png 
    Gigabyte GA-EP45-DQ6
    Intel Q9650 3,0@4,41 GHz (490x9)
    Corsair Dominator DDR2 PC8500 4x2 GB
    Club3D 4870x2
    Corsair HX1000
    3x Western Digital Raptor 150GB 16MB Raid0
    Hitachi Deskstar 320GB
    Swiftech 655
    Swiftech GTZ (CPU)
    XSPC X20 Delta (NB)
    Ek 150ml res
    TFC 480 w/8x YateLoons DL12 in push/pull @1000RPM
    MasterKleer 11.1mm ID tubing
    HP LP2475w 24" + ViewSonic VX922 19"
    Vista Ultimate 64bit SP1

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    Default Re: Trouble with 480MHz+ on GA-EP45-UD3P w/Q9650

    Yes, at the top of the forum there is a memory sticky.

    Here is what ranges I would advise for your above settings >>>

    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Auto or Fast
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 9
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:.0
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 4320


    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 480
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........: 100

    C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]


    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: 900mV 800 should be good
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: 1000mV 900 should be good
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: 50-150
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: 150-300


    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: [STANDARD]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: Disabled
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [Auto]
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: 2.00B << use 2.00D
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 960
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]

    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................ 5/6
    tRCD ......................................... 5
    tRP'........................................... 5
    tRAS.......................................... 15/18

    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD...........................................3-5
    tWTR.........................................4-8
    tWR............................................6-12
    tRFC...........................................65-75
    tRTP...........................................4-8
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................:2

    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength ............................800-1200 (Test all last, set 1066 now)

    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................:8/9-12 400/D MCH
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:<<< Leave for all below as well
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps

    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................:Auto/stock 8/9-12 400/D MCH << Likely a issue, and since it is not shown in Memset you wont know what Auto gives you as what you see in the BIOS is not always used

    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:<<< Leave for all below as well
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps

    LLC: enabled

    Motherboard Voltage Control
    Voltage Type.………... Manual
    CPU
    CPU Vcore….……….........................: 1.4 << may need more, what is this in windows at idle and load?

    CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......: 1.38
    CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: 1.5

    CPU Referen.…………....0.755V*.......: set to stock when VTT was also set to stock, and from thereon only VTT was changed so this follows automatically

    CPU Reference2………,,0.800V*.......: as above

    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: 1.4 << 1.3-1.35
    MCH Reference….…….0.800V...........; same procedure as CPU Ref.
    MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........: 0.91 << Auto or .68-70

    ICH I/O……………….....1.550V............: 1.5
    ICH Core…………...……1.100V............: 1.14-1.2

    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: 2.12
    DRAM Termination .…0.900V............: 0.91
    Channel A Reference 0.900V............: 0.91
    Channel B Reference 0.900V............: 0.91

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    Default Re: Trouble with 480MHz+ on GA-EP45-UD3P w/Q9650

    Thanks for the suggestions - I will try them tonight.

    How would I go about testing the stability with this, since it's mainly RAM settings?

    Should I use MEMTEST86+ or "just" continue my very lowtech method of downloading zip files and test for corrupt/non-corrupt files in addition to OCCT and Intel Burn Test?

    Preferably a method that will show errors as fast as possible.

    Thanks
    NJL
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    Default Re: Trouble with 480MHz+ on GA-EP45-UD3P w/Q9650

    Memtest86+ for ram testing is what I use, here is the latest Beta that will correctly pick DDR type and timings in P45 >>>
    Index of /download/beta/211b6

    I would use both, any method you normally use plus any others is always good. More then one test/type of test can only add assurance

    Fast as possible would be Intel Burn test, but your CPU has to be 100% Stable for that to tell you if ram is a issue (post #3) >>>
    http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/intel-burn-test-27994/

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    Default Re: Trouble with 480MHz+ on GA-EP45-UD3P w/Q9650

    Ok, tried your settings last night and no luck

    I didn't try all of them though - just the "mid" values as I thought I couldn't push my RAM too much.
    That didn't work, so I bumped it up to the max - or slowest I assume?
    This didn't work either.

    All settings were tried with 1066 driving strength.

    I know I probably should've spent a lot more time tweaking, but I was hoping that I could at least get it stable at 480x9 with slow settings.

    Am I wrong in assuming that the slowest settings should work "just like that"?

    If so - is there a specific order for the settings to be applied in order to get it stable and not necessarily fast?
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    Default Re: Trouble with 480MHz+ on GA-EP45-UD3P w/Q9650

    Mid values? You should use all highest I suggested until you get stable, lower or mid may be unstable. Ahh ya, sorry I reply as I read. Yes higher values are looser/slower/more stable

    Na, nothing will work just like that. It is not easy for sure with such a advanced BIOS, those would be P35 boards.

    Set all Very high, then lower one at a time testing as you go. Best to keep your ram VERY Looser (Even looser then I posted is fine) until you get your CPU where you want it then you can work on lowering voltages and tightening up your ram

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