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    Default Problems Overclocking With Ex-58 Extreme

    Hi all, Might seem a bit rude to make a first post on the forum as a technical question, But im about 5 seconds away from taking this motherboard and smashing it across the wall. I find it rather ironic that something thats branded as an extreme overclockers board is so difficult to work with.

    Anyway, My problem is this. When ever i change something in the bios related to overclocking it will shutdown, As soon as i hit "Save and exit" the pc shuts down. It does not turn back on unless i power off from the PSU's power switch, When it does turn back on it only is for a few seconds ( not even 2 seconds ) then it shuts down again, I then have to use the clear cmos button to get it to boot up normally.

    ( please note : It sometimes does this even when i change minor things, for example, enabling USB keyboard during boot, Or enabling smart fan, BUT, unlike the overclocking if i leave it off and turn it back on, it works normally. )

    It works almost perfectly fine upto 3.6ghz, I had some problems to obtain 3.8ghz, But 4.0ghz+ is becoming impossible. I have followed the PDF guide EXACTLY to try to obtain 4.0ghz and have had no success, i have even tried going as high as 1.55v with no success.

    Ive also tried leaving 2 ram dimms, then 1 ram dimm, and still no success.

    Sorry if this post is long and may seem somewhat arrogant, But im extremley frustrated. Anyway, My system specs are below, Thanks in advanced for any help.

    Cpu : Core i7 920
    Ram : 6GB Corsair XMS3 1600mhz
    PSU : Gigabyte Odin 1200W
    HDD : OCZ SSD
    Cpu Cooler : ThermalRight True 120
    Motherboard : Gigabyte EX-58 Extreme
    Graphics Card : Gigabyte 4870X2
    Bios Version : F4A

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    Default Re: Problems Overclocking With Ex-58 Extreme

    Quote Originally Posted by vizard View Post
    Hi all, Might seem a bit rude to make a first post on the forum as a technical question, But im about 5 seconds away from taking this motherboard and smashing it across the wall. I find it rather ironic that something thats branded as an extreme overclockers board is so difficult to work with.
    lol - I find it ironic you assume something labeled extreme would be easy. Sorry, I couldn't resist.

    Anyway, My problem is this. When ever i change something in the bios related to overclocking it will shutdown, As soon as i hit "Save and exit" the pc shuts down. It does not turn back on unless i power off from the PSU's power switch, When it does turn back on it only is for a few seconds ( not even 2 seconds ) then it shuts down again, I then have to use the clear cmos button to get it to boot up normally.

    ( please note : It sometimes does this even when i change minor things, for example, enabling USB keyboard during boot, Or enabling smart fan, BUT, unlike the overclocking if i leave it off and turn it back on, it works normally. )

    It works almost perfectly fine upto 3.6ghz, I had some problems to obtain 3.8ghz, But 4.0ghz+ is becoming impossible. I have followed the PDF guide EXACTLY to try to obtain 4.0ghz and have had no success, i have even tried going as high as 1.55v with no success.

    Ive also tried leaving 2 ram dimms, then 1 ram dimm, and still no success.

    Sorry if this post is long and may seem somewhat arrogant, But im extremley frustrated. Anyway, My system specs are below, Thanks in advanced for any help.

    Cpu : Core i7 920
    Ram : 6GB Corsair XMS3 1600mhz
    PSU : Gigabyte Odin 1200W
    HDD : OCZ SSD
    Cpu Cooler : ThermalRight True 120
    Motherboard : Gigabyte EX-58 Extreme
    Graphics Card : Gigabyte 4870X2
    Bios Version : F4A
    you must be extremely frusted, you're all over the place on your statements, but I understand your feelings.

    Maybe try to list all your settings and any errors you encounter with those settings. Be as specific as possible. unplug everything except keyboard and mouse. most of all don't be too disappointed if you can't reach 4.0GHz. Not all CPUs can do it.

    Here is a settings list I stole from lsdmeasap:
    Code:
    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: 
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:.0
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 
    
    
    Clock Chip Control 
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled] 
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: Mhz
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........:Set to 100
    
    C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]
    
    
    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: <<< 
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: <<< 
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: <<< 
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: <<< 
    
    
    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: [STANDARD]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: Disabled
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [Auto]
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: 
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]
    
    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................
    tRCD .........................................
    tRP'...........................................
    tRAS..........................................
    
    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD...........................................
    tWTR..........................................
    tWR............................................
    tRFC...........................................
    tRTP...........................................
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................:2
    
    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength ............................
    
    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................:6/7-10 333/B MCH - 8/9-12 400/D MCH
     tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:<<< Leave for all below as well
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
     tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
     tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto 
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto 
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto 
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto 
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto  ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto  ps
    
    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................:6/7-10 333/B MCH - 8/9-12 400/D MCH
     tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:<<< Leave for all below as well
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
     tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
     tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto 
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto 
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto 
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto 
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto  ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto  ps
    
    Motherboard Voltage Control
    Voltage Type.………... Manual
    CPU
    CPU Vcore….……….........................:
    CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......: <<< Leave
    CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: << Please set to stock, Auto overvolts this way to much
    
    CPU Referen.…………....0.755V*.......: <<< .64% Of Vtt (Termination above) Auto Will set this correctly 
    
    CPU Reference2………,,0.800V*.......:<<< .67% Of Vtt (Termination above) Auto Will set this correctly 
    
    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: << 
    MCH Reference….…….0.800V...........; <<< Leave
    MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........: <<< Leave
    ICH I/O……………….....1.550V............: <<< Leave
    ICH Core…………...……1.100V............: <<< Leave
    
    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: 
    DRAM Termination .…0.900V............: <<< Leave
    Channel A Reference 0.900V............: <<< Leave
    Channel B Reference 0.900V............: <<< Leave
    
    Advanced Settings
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled] Enabled if you use Vmware/Virtual PC
    Integrated Peripherals
    Legacy USB Storage Detect ..............[Disabled] *Note* Must be enabled to flash from USB

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    Default Re: Problems Overclocking With Ex-58 Extreme

    what do you mean my statements are all over the place, ive giving a tonne of info, what more do you need.

    theres no point in that list and posting up the settings as ive already said ive done exactly as the pdf guide sais.

    the problem is NOT the system being stable, the problem is the system NOT EVEN TRYING to boot or get into windows, it doesnt even stay on long enough for the boot screen to come on, just a few seconds then "BANG" it shuts of.

    will never buy a gigabyte motherboard again once i get rid of this crap.

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    Default Re: Problems Overclocking With Ex-58 Extreme

    I'm sorry, but I can't help you without knowing your system. You forgot to link this PDF file and I see no, "getting 4GHz on an X58 Extreme" thread/PDF file anywhere.

    also, guides are just that. a guide. All systems will need fine tuning. I think your biggest problem is changing too many settings at once and that will leave you in a, "I don't know which setting caused it" scenario.

    Please help us to help you by filling in the list.
    -=Mark=-

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    Default Re: Problems Overclocking With Ex-58 Extreme

    Hey mate thanks for trying to help, here are the settings i used to try to obtain 3.8ghz, if theres anything ODD in there that looks like its not supposed to be there please give me your opinion. Thanks again for taking the time to help :)

    And this is the PDF i followed to try to get to 4.0ghz

    http://www.overclockers.com.au/files...2.12_(ENG).pdf

    ///////////////////////MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)///////////////////////

    Cpu Clock Ratio :: 20 x
    Cpu Frequency :: 3.80ghz ( 190x20 )

    >> Advanced Cpu Features
    Cpu Clock Ratio :: 20 x
    Cpu Frequency :: 3.80ghz ( 190x20 )
    Intel(r) Turbo Boost Tech. :: Disabled
    Cpu Cores Enabled :: ALL
    Cpu Multi-Threading :: Enabled
    Cpu Enhanced Halt ( C1E) :: Disabled
    C3/C6/C7 State Support :: Disabled
    Cpu Thermal Monitor :: Disabled
    Cpu EIST Function :: Disabled
    Virtualization Technology :: Disabled
    B-Directional PROCHOT :: Disabled

    QPI Link Speed :: x36
    QPI Link Speed :: 6.84ghz

    >> Uncore & QPI Features
    QPI Link Speed :: x36
    QPI Link Speed :: 6.84ghz
    Uncore Frequency :: X13
    Uncore Frequency :: 2470mhz
    Isonchronus Support :: Disabled

    Base Clock(BCLK) Control :: Enabled
    BCLK Frequency(mhz) :: 190

    >> Advanced Clock Control
    Base Clock(BCLK) Control :: Enabled
    BCLK Frequency(mhz) :: 190
    PCI Express Frequency(mhz) :: AUTO
    C.I.A.2 :: Disabled
    >>>>>Advanced Clock Control
    CPU Clock Drive :: 700mv
    PCI Express Clock Drive 700mv
    Cpu Clock Skew :: 0ps
    IOH Clock Skew :: 0ps

    Performance Enhance :: TURBO
    Extreme Memory Profile ( X.M.P ) : Disabled
    System Memory Multiplyer :: 6.0
    Memory Frequency :: 1140
    DRAM Timing Selectable ( SPD ) :: AUTO
    Profile DDR Voltage :: 1.5v
    Profile QPI Voltage :: 1.15v
    CHANNEL A
    CAS Latency Time :: 8 - auto
    tRCD :: 8 - Auto
    tRP :: 8 - Auto
    tRAS :: 20 - Auto
    CHANNEL B
    CAS Latency Time :: 8 - auto
    tRCD :: 8 - Auto
    tRP :: 8 - Auto
    tRAS :: 20 - Auto
    CHANNEL C
    CAS Latency Time :: 8 - auto
    tRCD :: 8 - Auto
    tRP :: 8 - Auto
    tRAS :: 20 - Auto

    >>Advanced DRAM Features
    Performance Enhance :: Turbo
    Extreme Memory Profile ( X.M.P ) :: Disabled
    System Memory multiplyer :: 6.0
    Memory Frequency :: 1140
    DRAM Timing Selectable :: AUTO
    Profile DDR Voltage :: 1.5v
    Profile QPI Voltage :: 1.15v

    >> Channel A Timing Settings
    Cas Latency Timings :: 8 - Auto
    trcd :: 8 - Auto
    tRP :: 8 - Auto
    tRAS :: 20 - auto
    >>>>> Channel A Advanced Timing Control
    trc :: 27 - Auto
    trrd :: 4 - Auto
    twtr :: 4 - Auto
    twr :: 8 - Auto
    trtp :: 60 - Auto
    trfc :: 4 - Auto
    tfaw :: 20 - Auto
    Command Rate (CMD ) :: 1
    >>>>> Channel A MISC Timing Control
    Round Trip Latency :: 51 - Auto
    Load-Line Calibration :: Disabled
    CPU Vcore :: 1.40000v
    QPI/VTT Voltage :: 1.400v
    IOH Core :: 1.100v - AUTO
    DRAM Voltage :: 1.500v - AUTO

    >>Advanced Voltage Control
    CPU Vcore :: 1.40000v
    QPI/VTT Voltage :: 1.400v
    CPU PLL :: 1.800v - AUTO
    >>> MCH-ICH
    PCIE :: 1.500v - AUTO
    QPI PLL :: 1.100v - Auto
    ICH / IO :: 1.500v - AUTO
    ICH Core :: 1.100v - AUTO
    >>> DRAM
    DRAM Voltage :: 1.500v Auto
    DRAM Termination :: 0.750v AUTO
    Ch-A Data V-ref :: 0.750v AUTO
    Ch-b Data V-ref :: 0.750v AUTO
    Ch-c Data V-ref :: 0.750v AUTO
    Ch-A address V-ref :: 0.750v AUTO
    Ch-b address V-ref :: 0.750v AUTO
    Ch-c address V-ref :: 0.750v AUTO

    ///////////////////////Advanced Bios Features///////////////////////

    Limit CPUID Max. to 3 :: Disabled
    No-Execute Memory Protect :: Disabled
    Delay For HDD ( Secs ) :: 0

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    Default Re: Problems Overclocking With Ex-58 Extreme

    Everything looks fine. Just need more fine tuning. Most likely though you'll need to enable Turbo to reach 4GHz as most 920 users are getting it this way with a BCLK 190.

    another thing you may try is lowering your multiplier to around x12 to see how high you can get your QPI/Memory Frequency.

    once you've found your max BCLK and QPI/Memory Freq. you can just balance them with your multiplier to get your best overclock.

    I just hooked up my waterblock last night and I'm in the same boat as you. I tried that guide with no luck at all. I had vcore to 1.45 and decided to give up on the guide and do it the old fashion way. Trial and error. Right now I'm trying to get BCLK 180 stable.

    Good luck
    -=Mark=-

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    Default Re: Problems Overclocking With Ex-58 Extreme

    Vizard,
    your cpu clock drive should be 800, pcie 900. Only a few beta bioses had weird clock drives with 700. Also whenever you flash with a bios, make sure you hit "load optimized settings", because until you do so, you are still using previous bios settings, and not doing so is another way to get weird clock drive values like 700.

    What is your mem rating. most are using 1600 rated mem and using 8x mem divider and 17 uncore. This is important b/c mem volts necessary for near 1600 is 1.65volts. And mem/dram volts also feeds unclock/mem controller. In other words your mem voltage at 1.5 may be in part responsible for not being able to OC to 4. DRAM has to be in 1.6's usually to get to 4.

    I would flash to F4j. Load optimize defaults (that will fix your clock drives), etc. ENABLE LLC, you wont get anywhere with that disabled, the vdroop is to large. DRAM volts to 1.66 (will give you 1.65v cpuz). If you have 1600 rated ram then use 8x mem and 17 UC, if 1333 then use 6x and 13-15 uncore. I would load 8,8,8,24 default timings manually on all 3 channels (or whatever your default mem timings are. Keep Vcore 1.4, and vtt/qpi same. But I and some others have found my system is more stable using 8/17 for mem/uc versus 6/13-15 for mem/uc, but that requires 1600 rated ram, though that is what most have. None of the bioses are correctly picking up either my OCZ or corsair ram specs, not surprising though with early bioses, I have to take everything off auto and manually enter.

    And like Mark said, use turbo to get 21 multi for 4ghz.
    Last edited by rge; 12-29-2008 at 12:38 AM.
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    Default Re: Problems Overclocking With Ex-58 Extreme

    hey thanks guys i will give it a go, and yeah i do have 1600mhz corsair ram. Thanks for the replies, will post up reports later on.

    Thanks again.

    edit : quick note, i havent finished messing around yet but now i keep getting this error after bios screen where it has to re-install my bios or something :(
    Last edited by vizard; 12-29-2008 at 04:24 PM.

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    Default Re: Problems Overclocking With Ex-58 Extreme

    Ok seems im not completley unable to do anything with this board. i keep getting that cmos error when ever i try do something. i have to turn the pc off and clear cmos for it to boot into windows normally.

    thanks to everyone that helped, i hope one day gigabyte release a working bios for this board so everyone can actually use it.

    anyway, thanks again, ill be selling this board off now.

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    Default Re: Problems Overclocking With Ex-58 Extreme

    Sorry I haven't responded in a while. been busy here.


    you may want to be a lot more specific on the error you're getting. If it is scolling by too fast you can hit your pause/break key to look at it.

    but it may be it is erroring on your overclock and resets for safety.

    I just got my waterblock on and I'm having the same issues as you at trying for 4.0GHz. I hit 180 Bclk for a couple hours before I stopped it. 190 won't run anything and will even lock up with a few minutes of idling.

    I see lsdmeasap is back and hopefully he cannhelp on bios settings as I don't know Gigabyte settings well and I returned my Gigabyte board and got a DFI. (my gigabyte seemed to short out when I put on my waterblock, I heard some boards had a bad solder joint so I just refunded and got a different one) I wish they'd make a bios standard so all bios would have the same naming for all settings.

    anyway, post a more detailed error result and what you were doing/changing when it happened. maybe post up a new bios setting or post only the settings different from the last one. People usually cut copy the previos one and highlight/bold/underscore the ones changed.

    Good luck
    -=Mark=-

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