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    Default Power Up Temporary Hang ~ GA-MA78GM-S2H

    This is a new, self-built system. It is working well except for a temporary hang during a cold start just a second or two after the Power On Button is pressed.

    The button remains illuminated, but the monitor drops back down into its power-save/wait/standby mode. If the system has been off power overnight, the start might not occur for more than 3 minutes. (But I abort starts [via the PSU power button] after 3-minute hangs.)

    If the cold start is after only an hour or two—or if it is a second try, following an aborted start—then the hang/wait/delay with the monitor on power-saving/standby is 0:40 to about 2:00 minutes, averaging ~1:10 minutes. Then there is a perfect BEEP! or quite often a stumbling db-BEEP! (not two beeps; just a single beep but with a bit of a stumble) and the monitor light returns to full power and the system comes up into Windows XP 64.

    If the cold start is after a very short interval—as short as I can test it; say, total power off about 10 seconds—then the hang has been measured to be as short as 7 and 12 seconds (two different tests).

    Once the system is up, it runs "perfectly", and will continue to do so until the next cold start. If I choose to do a system RESTART via Windows, the computer will go down and come back up "perfectly".

    (The Restart BUTTON is not functioning for some reason, so it is left out of my tests.)

    —The situation has been the same with either ASCI enabled or with my SATA drives running in IDE mode.
    — I have removed drives and replaced them. Heavy or light hardware loads appear to make no difference.
    — The PSU was checked at NCIX.
    — The mobo is a replacement which was also tested with my system (and with this RAM) at NCIX.
    — Note that this system uses 8 GB of RAM. (All 4 RAM slots on the mobo are used, although this mobo can utilize 16 GB of RAM.) The 4 RAM sticks were moved around and tried one at a time, and that made no difference. (They haven't been tested by MemTest.) The RAM is currently @ DDR2-800 because the Athlon 64 x2 5600+ uses it that way, though this RAM is actually DDR2-1000.

    — The BIOS was recently updated, and both the earlier version 5 and the new version 6 gave the same results.

    I am not yet very familiar with the BIOS. At the moment, the only serious adjustments are to voltage, in which I have modified the BIOS:

    • DDR2 +0.3V to now equal 2.100V
    • Northbridge +0.1V to now equal 1.200V

    — Before those adjustments, I was getting bluescreens at Stop 0x50, but since the adjustments, the system seems fine except for the temporary hangs during cold starts.

    I would very much appreciate more detailed BIOS help if that might correct the startups. I'm guessing (or hoping) that that is where the problem lies.

    For those with the same system or following this thread closely, the Gigabyte manual for this GA-MA78GM-S2H version 1.1 and its Award BIOS is available as a download at
    GIGABYTE - Support&Download - Motherboard - Manual Download

    Thank you.
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    Default Re: Power Up Temporary Hang ~ GA-MA78GM-S2H

    I would set more NB Voltage for 8GB for sure maybe 1.25-1.3, and try setting your trfc to 195 or 327Ns, if you have it in auto it may be using 127 which would be too low

    Please do (Always when you buy new ram or build a system) test each stick with the latest Memtest86+ one by one as you never know you may have a faulty module >>>
    Memtest86+ - Advanced Memory Diagnostic Tool

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    Default Re: Power Up Temporary Hang ~ GA-MA78GM-S2H

    try setting your trfc to 195 or 327Ns, if you have it in auto it may be using 127 which would be too low
    Er—would you perhaps spell out this part, because I don't know the abbreviations. (If it refers to fan control, I have set both the case fan and the CPU fan to constant full speed.)
    Last edited by Groonx2; 01-02-2009 at 03:54 PM.
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    Default Re: Power Up Temporary Hang ~ GA-MA78GM-S2H

    It is a Memory Setting (Refresh to Act Delay) Should be named out at trfc in your BIOS in the MIT Section.

    If you cannot find it or are not sure, post a pic of your memory page. But it is the only setting that would have 105. 127, 195, 327 as options

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    Default Re: Power Up Temporary Hang ~ GA-MA78GM-S2H

    I changed the NB from +0.1V = 1.200V
    to
    +0.2V = 1.300V

    and I did a cold start after 10 minutes with no power. The results were unchanged, with a hang of 0:01:01 [1 minute, I second].

    [Edit:] I did a second cold start after 4 hours with no power. The results were a hang of 0:01:29.

    Then I changed the Northbridge back to its former +0.1V = 1.200V setting, as I saw no improvement.

    I have not been able to locate the trfc Refresh to Act Delay in the BIOS. As far as I can see by looking through both the BIOS and the manual, no such settings exist on this mobo/BIOS.

    Thank you.
    Last edited by Groonx2; 01-03-2009 at 06:12 AM.
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    Default Re: Power Up Temporary Hang ~ GA-MA78GM-S2H

    Quote Originally Posted by Groonx2 View Post
    I have not been able to locate the trfc Refresh to Act Delay in the BIOS. As far as I can see by looking through both the BIOS and the manual, no such settings exist on this mobo/BIOS.
    Have you pressed Ctrl-F1 on the main BIOS screen? After it go to M.I.T. Then you can find memory timings there.

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    Default Re: Power Up Temporary Hang ~ GA-MA78GM-S2H

    Thanks, Zyxmon. At least now I know which section it should be under. But I still don't see anything that looks like lsdmeasap's advice to modify tRFC so:

    • 105
    • 127 — too low
    • 195 — choose this or
    • 327 — choose this

    Yes, using Ctrl+F1, I tried pressing every category that allowed me to expand it, and maybe I just missed seeing it.

    I thought it would be in Memory Clock, or Set Memory Clock??? I just don't see it.
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    Default Re: Power Up Temporary Hang ~ GA-MA78GM-S2H

    You must press Control + F1 on the MAIN Page of the BIOS and THEN go into the memory section of the MIT page and you should for sure see it.

    If you still do not find it, please post me a image of your MIT page and any inner memory realated pages you can access by hitting enter within that page.

    It should be on the same page as all your other memory timings such as >>
    CAS Latency Time
    tRCD
    tRP
    tRAS

    TRC
    tRRD
    tWTR
    tWR
    tRFC
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    Default Re: Power Up Temporary Hang ~ GA-MA78GM-S2H

    Groonx2
    I have GA-MA78G-DS3H. It is similar to your board. Here are the settings for my mobo -
    Press Enter on "Dram Configuration"
    http://www.zyxmon.org/tmp/dram2.jpg
    and you'll have the page that looks like
    http://www.zyxmon.org/tmp/dram1.jpg

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    Default Re: Power Up Temporary Hang ~ GA-MA78GM-S2H

    Okay, that did it. So strange, I tried very hard to find it before. Oh, well. . . .
    Thank you very much for pointing me right to it.

    This morning I have had some success, but at the moment I'm still exactly where I was before, because I took everything back after getting a BIOS popup that I didn't understand.

    Having Zyxmon's guide to finding the controls, I set all 4 trfc settings
    from 127 to 195
    and later I reset them all
    from 195 to 327
    and later I reset them all
    from 327 to 127

    I also set the NB voltage control up, so:
    +0.2V = 1.300V
    and back down again to
    +0.1V = 1.200V

    In between I did a lot of cold starts. I got hangs of about 10 seconds on the cold starts, but I have always got hangs of about 10 seconds when the cold start came after a short downtime of just a couple of minutes.

    But what I got for the first time EVER was a popup so ambiguous it was useless, except as a possible warning. Taking it as that, I returned everything to where it was to begin.

    The popup is headed BIOS error occurs
    and that, by itself, means to me that there is a BIOS error. Which I don't want, so I set everything back—even though I doubted I was supposed to.

    Under the heading, there is a list right now that looks like
    Success Boot Record : Last Known Good [highlighted]
    Success Boot Record 1) : 2 times
    Success Boot Record 2) : 3 times
    Success Boot Record 3) : 3 times

    So, I suppose there are related adjustments that my BIOS would enjoy, if I am to modify those trfc settings.
    Last edited by Groonx2; 01-04-2009 at 06:03 AM.
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