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    Default Re: RAM problems with GA-EP45-DS3 & E5200 & A-DATA DDR2-800+

    My current settings are almost what you suggested:
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    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: AUTO 
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 12x
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:+0.5
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 2.5GHz (200 x 12.5)
    
    Clock Chip Control 
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 200MHz
    PCI Express Frequency (mHz)..........: [100]
    
    C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]
    
    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: 800mV
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: 900mV
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0ps
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: 0ps 
    
    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: [Standard]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: [Disabled] --> Does not appear with GeIL
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [Auto]
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: [4.00C]
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 800 800
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]
    
    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................: 4
    tRCD .........................................: 4
    tRP'...........................................: 4
    tRAS..........................................: 12
    
    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD........................................... 3 [Auto]
    tWTR.......................................... 3 [Auto]
    tWR............................................ 6 [Auto]
    tRFC........................................... 42
    tRTP........................................... 3 [Auto]
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................: 2
    
    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength ............................ [800]
    
    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................: [8]
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment..................: [Auto] 
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................: [Auto] 
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment ..................: [Auto]
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................: [Auto]
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)...................: [Auto]
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................: [Auto] 
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)....................: [Auto] 
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................: [Auto] 
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............: [Auto]
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............: [Auto]
    
    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................: [8]
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment..................: [Auto] 
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................: [Auto] 
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment ..................: [Auto]
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................: [Auto]
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)...................: [Auto]
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................: [Auto] 
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)....................: [Auto] 
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................: [Auto] 
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............: [Auto]
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............: [Auto]
    
    Motherboard Voltage Control
    CPU
    CPU Vcore….……….........................: 1.25000V [Auto]
    CPU Termination….........................: 1.200V [Auto]
    CPU PLL………………….......................: 1.500V [Auto]
    
    CPU Referen.................................: 0.760V [Auto] 
    CPU Reference2............................: 0.800V [Auto] 
    
    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….........................: 1.100V [Auto]
    MCH Reference….…….....................: 0.760V [Auto]
    MCH/DRAM Ref.…..........................: 0.900V [Auto]
    ICH I/O………………..........................: 1.500V [1.57] --> I don't have 1.55
    ICH Core…………...…….....................: 1.100V [1.14] --> Does not appear
    
    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage …….........................: 1.800V [2.000V] --> 2.0 from the GeIL stickers
    DRAM Termination .….....................: 0.900V [Auto]
    Channel A Reference .....................: 0.900V [Auto]
    Channel B Reference .....................: 0.900V [Auto]
    
    Advanced Settings
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
    
    Integrated Peripherals
    Legacy USB Storage Detect ..............[Disabled]
    I haven't been able to get rid of the problems. The memory is GeIL 2x1GB now, yes. If I take out one stick, the problems persist.

    I have tried slightly increasing different voltages, one at a time, but no luck.
    If it's not a memory problem, then it should be a motherboard or CPU problem, żright?.

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    Default Re: RAM problems with GA-EP45-DS3 & E5200 & A-DATA DDR2-800+

    I've realized I haven't posted my BIOS version. I have tried with F8 and F9, the ones that support the E5200 for this board.
    It doesn't make any difference, though.

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    Default Re: RAM problems with GA-EP45-DS3 & E5200 & A-DATA DDR2-800+

    Can you test your ram in another system to be sure it was not sent to you faulty, it happens more often then you want to know about.

    You can use any BIOS after the one that initially supports your CPU, but I see F9 is the latest anyway. I would stick to that

    Try these changes >>>

    Try this alone and see if it helps, if not then move onto the next suggestion trying it with this change and without it. And so on for the third suggestion as well, trying with or without the two above it


    System Memory Multiplier ..............: [4.00C] << 4.00A
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 800 800
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]

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    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength ............................ [800] << 1066


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    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….........................: 1.100V [Auto] << Try two here. One try less then stock 1.05, if no luck try 1.15


    I know you may not want to hear it, but actually sometimes a simpler overclock quickly and easily solves problems like this. Would you be willing to run 333 FSB? 333x8 for 2.66 or 333x9 for 3.0 may work out great and give you some speed at the same time. I know it should work at stock, but I just mention this because I know it often does help more then you would think

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    Default Re: RAM problems with GA-EP45-DS3 & E5200 & A-DATA DDR2-800+

    Quote Originally Posted by Lsdmeasap View Post
    Can you test your ram in another system to be sure it was not sent to you faulty, it happens more often then you want to know about.

    You can use any BIOS after the one that initially supports your CPU, but I see F9 is the latest anyway. I would stick to that
    I don't have another system available to test the RAM. But anyway, I've tried with 4 1GB sticks from 2 different brands, and I have problems with all of them, so I wouldn't think all of them are faulty.

    As I told you, I have already tested with both BIOS versions that support my CPU (F8 and F9), so I will keep F9 for the following tests.

    I'll try the changes you suggest just as you said, even the overclocks, I don't have any problem to try anything logical before returning the board and/or the CPU, at least as long as I'm not certain they are faulty. It's simply I thought it would be easier to make it work at stock speeds and timings, or even slower speeds and higher timings than otherwise.

    I'll also try to change the graphics card, just in case.

    Only to check, when I try those settings, I have to leave the rest of the settings as I have them now, and not returning everything to auto, right?

    Lastly, when overclocking, I'll have to change the memory multiplier, too. Anything else?

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    Default Re: RAM problems with GA-EP45-DS3 & E5200 & A-DATA DDR2-800+

    I've just tested every combination with those 3 parameters:
    Memory multiplier: 4.00C <-> 4.00A
    Driving strength (both channels): 800 <-> 1066
    MCH Core: 1.050 <- 1.100 -> 1.160 (I don't have 1.150 as an option)

    I left the other settings alone, i.e. i didn't change what I had manually set.

    First I tried changing the memory multiplier, but the system didn't POST, only 2 or 3 reboots beeping, and back to defaults. I tried that with or without the changes in the 2 other parameters, same result.
    Then I tried loading optimized defaults, and changing only the memory multiplier to 4.00A and DRAM voltage to 2.0, but it was even worse, the system rebooted again and again, sometimes POSTing, sometimes not, without beeping, and could not get into the BIOS. So I had to clear the CMOS.

    After that I've tried every combination among Driving Strength and MCH Core values, but no luck, same BSODs in Windows (sometimes MEMORY_MANAGEMENT error, sometimes DRIVER_IRQ_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL).

    I also tried changing my graphics card, but the same happens.

    I'm now going to try the suggested overclocks. I'll set the memory multiplier so that the memory runs at 800 or less. Should I raise the CPU or MCH voltages to be able to increase the FSB to 333 and the CPU freq to 2.66 or 3?

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    Default Re: RAM problems with GA-EP45-DS3 & E5200 & A-DATA DDR2-800+

    I've now tried the 2 overclocks, 333x8 and 333x9, setting the memory multiplier manually to 2.40B. Initially I left the rest of the settings unchanged.
    No problem to boot the system, but sooner or later the BSODs reappeared.

    I then tried every possible value for MCH Core between 1.050V and 1.300V, still overclocked, no change.

    I've also tried the GeIL memory in another system (I've found one available at work) and I've found no problems.

    Anything else I can try?

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    Default Re: RAM problems with GA-EP45-DS3 & E5200 & A-DATA DDR2-800+

    Please post me the settings you tried for 8x333 and I will advise back. Since you feel the ram is ok I think this may be the best route

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    Default Re: RAM problems with GA-EP45-DS3 & E5200 & A-DATA DDR2-800+

    These are the settings I've tried with 333x8:
    Code:
    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: AUTO 
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 8x
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:+0.0
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 2.66GHz (333 x 8)
    
    Clock Chip Control 
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 333MHz
    PCI Express Frequency (mHz)..........: [100]
    
    C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]
    
    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: 800mV
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: 900mV
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0ps
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: 0ps 
    
    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: [Standard]
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [Auto]
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: [2.40B]
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 800 800
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]
    
    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................: 4
    tRCD .........................................: 4
    tRP'...........................................: 4
    tRAS..........................................: 12
    
    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD........................................... 3 [3]
    tWTR.......................................... 3 [3]
    tWR............................................ 6 [6]
    tRFC........................................... 42 [42]
    tRTP........................................... 3 [3]
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................: 2
    
    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength ............................ [800]
    
    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................: [8]
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment..................: [Auto] 
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................: [Auto] 
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment ..................: [Auto]
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................: [Auto]
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)...................: [Auto]
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................: [Auto] 
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)....................: [Auto] 
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................: [Auto] 
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............: [Auto]
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............: [Auto]
    
    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................: [8]
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment..................: [Auto] 
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................: [Auto] 
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment ..................: [Auto]
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................: [Auto]
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)...................: [Auto]
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................: [Auto] 
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)....................: [Auto] 
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................: [Auto] 
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............: [Auto]
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............: [Auto]
    
    Motherboard Voltage Control
    CPU
    CPU Vcore….……….........................: 1.25000V [Auto]
    CPU Termination….........................: 1.200V [Auto]
    CPU PLL………………….......................: 1.500V [Auto]
    CPU Referen.................................: 0.760V [Auto] 
    CPU Reference2............................: 0.800V [Auto] 
    
    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….........................: 1.100V --> I've tried every value between 1.050V and 1.300V
    MCH Reference….…….....................: 0.760V [Auto]
    MCH/DRAM Ref.…..........................: 0.900V [Auto]
    ICH I/O………………..........................: 1.500V [1.570]
    
    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage …….........................: 1.800V [2.000V]
    DRAM Termination .….....................: 0.900V [Auto]
    Channel A Reference .....................: 0.900V [Auto]
    Channel B Reference .....................: 0.900V [Auto]
    
    Advanced Settings
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
    
    Integrated Peripherals
    Legacy USB Storage Detect ..............[Disabled]
    Thanks for your help.

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    Default Re: RAM problems with GA-EP45-DS3 & E5200 & A-DATA DDR2-800+

    OK, see if this helps you with that set of settings >>>>

    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: AUTO
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 8x
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:+0.0
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 2.66GHz (333 x 8)

    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 333MHz
    PCI Express Frequency (mHz)..........: [100]

    C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]

    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: 800mV
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: 900mV
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0ps
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: 0ps

    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: [Standard]
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [Auto]
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: [2.40B] << You may also try 2.50A
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 800 800
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]

    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................: 4
    tRCD .........................................: 4
    tRP'...........................................: 4
    tRAS..........................................: 12

    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD........................................... 3 [3] << Set 4
    tWTR.......................................... 3 [3] << Set 12 for now to rule this out
    tWR............................................ 6 [6] << Set 14 for now to rule this out
    tRFC........................................... 42 [42] << Set 48 for now
    tRTP........................................... 3 [3]
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................: 2

    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength ............................ [800] << try 1066 as well

    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................: [8] << Set 10 for now
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment..................: [Auto]
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................: [Auto]
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment ..................: [Auto]
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................: [Auto]
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)...................: [Auto]
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................: [Auto]
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)....................: [Auto]
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................: [Auto]
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............: [Auto]
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............: [Auto]

    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................: [8] << Set 10 for now
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment..................: [Auto]
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................: [Auto]
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment ..................: [Auto]
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................: [Auto]
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)...................: [Auto]
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................: [Auto]
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)....................: [Auto]
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................: [Auto]
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............: [Auto]
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............: [Auto]

    Motherboard Voltage Control
    CPU
    CPU Vcore….……….........................: 1.25000V [Auto] Auto is not going to work here, you will need to find a usable voltage. Set high so you can for sure boot and get past your boards vdrop. Maybe try 1.28-1.38 or so.

    CPU Termination….........................: 1.200V [Auto] << Set 1.25-1.3
    CPU PLL………………….......................: 1.500V [Auto] << Set 1.5-1.58
    CPU Referen.................................: 0.760V [Auto]
    CPU Reference2............................: 0.800V [Auto]

    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….........................: 1.100V --> I've tried every value between 1.050V and 1.300V << use Auto

    MCH Reference….…….....................: 0.760V [Auto]
    MCH/DRAM Ref.…..........................: 0.900V [Auto]
    ICH I/O………………..........................: 1.500V [1.570]

    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage …….........................: 1.800V [2.000V] << Set 2.1V
    DRAM Termination .….....................: 0.900V [Auto]
    Channel A Reference .....................: 0.900V [Auto]
    Channel B Reference .....................: 0.900V [Auto]

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    Ok, I've already tried the last set of changes.
    I tried to change the memory multiplier from 2.40B to 2.50A, too, with either 4-4-4-12 or 5-5-5-15, but the system didn't POST, so I guess I should have changed other values as well, but since I didn't know which ones, I left it at 2.40B.
    Where there was a range, I used the higher value.
    Still having problems in Windows with all the changes.

    About the CPU Vcore, with Auto, CPU-Z showed Vcore = 1.360 in idle. When I had FSB = 200MHz, it was 1.220 in idle. Anyway, if setting it manually is the way to go, I'll do just that. I set Vcore to 1.380 in BIOS, and CPU-Z shows 1.344 idle, 1.320 under load. I've done the tests with this setting.

    As I said, with all these changes the system is still very unstable. I'll describe the symptoms, just in case it helps. I have Windows XP SP3 and Windows Vista SP1 in different partitions, both clean installs. I also have a Linux SLAX installed in a USB Flash.
    In Windows Vista, I get the BSODs i've been talking about in the previous posts. Sometimes I can run Orthos for a while without a problem, but sometimes, with the same BIOS settings, Vista won't even complete booting. The time to get a BSOD or the method to get them appear to be completely random.
    With XP it's different. I guess it has to do with the way the OS works, but I don't have BSODs with it. However, the applications crash randomly. I had Prime95 running for about 2 hours without errors reported, but other applications crash... I also had a few sudden reboots trying to boot into XP.
    And with Linux, it's pretty similar to XP, the applications crash from time to time, but here the OS always boots fine, and no sudden reboots.

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