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    Default Re: EP45-DS3L / Crucial Ballistix Tracer 8500 - unstable union?

    Is the Crucial single sides or double sided (check the chips under the heatspreader). If it's double-sided then its D9GMH or D9GKX under there and those should not be incompatible, I got some Crucial RAM with those chips myself.
    Nobody from GB is here anymore, but the moderator, Lsdmeasap, is back and he may be able to help you with the timings, he knows that stuff better than I do.


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    Default Re: EP45-DS3L / Crucial Ballistix Tracer 8500 - unstable union?

    Thanks Nickel020

    the "good" ram single dimm is double sided.

    the "bad" ram (the new 2x1GB Crucial Ballistix Tracer) is single sided.

    Am I doomed?

    Hopefully as you suggest lsdmeasap can shine some light on timings??

    cheers, walt_D

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    Default Re: EP45-DS3L / Crucial Ballistix Tracer 8500 - unstable union?

    Hey, sorry for the delay in my reply here!

    So these that you are now having a issue with are the 2.2V rated sticks right? Just checking to be sure

    I can help you for sure with settings, can you please post for me your full settings you are using now that fail and I will advise back.

    They should work if they are not faulty, but I can tell you Crucial just did a change over not long ago to replace all their 2.2V rated sticks as they were dying very fast and caused alot of issues. I think they are ok at 2.0-2.1V though, but not sure of how their compatibility is with these boards.

    They will RMA them for you, for the new models all you need to do is explain the issue and setup a RMA. They will send you these 2.0V modules >>>
    BL2KIT12864AL106A - 2GB kit (1GBx2), Ballistix Tracer 240-pin DIMM (with LEDs) , DDR2 PC2-8500 from Crucial.com

    RMA Page
    Contact Crucial - warranty/return inquiry

    They will Cross Ship/Advanced RMA if you are in a hurry as well.

    I just did a review of the new Ballistix 2.0V sets, NON Tracers, but you can see how impressive they are. I am sure they New Tracers are just as, if not better of course >>>
    http://forums.tweaktown.com/f58/cruc...-review-30086/


    This is Just a template I use to ask people their settings, pay no attention to the numbers in it, replace with yours

    Code:
    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Auto or Fast
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:.0
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 
    
    
    Clock Chip Control 
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled] 
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: Mhz
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........:Set to 100
    
    C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]
    
    
    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: <<< 800
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: <<< 900
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: <<< 
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: <<< 
    
    
    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: [STANDARD]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: Disabled
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [Auto]
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: 
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]
    
    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................
    tRCD .........................................
    tRP'...........................................
    tRAS..........................................
    
    Set all Suggested below to highest Values first.  Then later you can lower, one at a time, testing as you go
    
    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD...........................................
    tWTR..........................................
    tWR............................................
    tRFC...........................................
    tRTP...........................................
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................:2
    
    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength ............................
    
    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................:6/7-10 333/B MCH - 8/9-12 400/D MCH
     tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto <<< Leave for all below as well
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
     tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
     tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto 
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto 
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto 
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto 
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto  ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto  ps
    
    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................:6/7-10 333/B MCH - 8/9-12 400/D MCH
     tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto <<< Leave for all below as well
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
     tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
     tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto 
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto 
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto 
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto 
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto  ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto  ps
    
    Motherboard Voltage Control
    Voltage Type.………... Manual
    CPU
    CPU Vcore….……….........................:Auto if not overclocking, if you are overclocking please do find and set your own voltages
    
    CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......: << If overclocking Please set to stock, Auto overvolts this way to much.  Optimal range for overclock would be 1.2-1.5 depending on Vcore, try to keep at least .1 under vcore.  Auto is fine if not overclocking
    
    CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: << If overclocking Please set to stock, Auto overvolts this way to much.  Optimal range for overclock would be 1.5-1.65.  Auto is fine if not overclocking
    
    CPU Referen.…………....0.755V*.......: <<< .64% Of Vtt (Termination above) Auto Will set this correctly 
    
    CPU Reference2………,,0.800V*.......:<<< .67% Of Vtt (Termination above) Auto Will set this correctly 
    
    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: << 
    MCH Reference….…….0.800V...........; <<< Leave
    MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........: <<< Leave
    ICH I/O……………….....1.550V............: <<< Leave
    ICH Core…………...……1.100V............: <<< Leave
    
    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: 
    DRAM Termination .…0.900V............: <<< Leave
    Channel A Reference 0.900V............: <<< Leave
    Channel B Reference 0.900V............: <<< Leave
    
    Advanced Settings
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled] Enabled if you use Vmware/Virtual PC
    
    Integrated Peripherals
    Legacy USB Storage Detect ..............[Disabled] *Note* Must be enabled to flash from USB
    Last edited by Lsdmeasap; 02-23-2009 at 05:10 PM.

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    Default Re: EP45-DS3L / Crucial Ballistix Tracer 8500 - unstable union?

    Hey Thanks Lsdmeasap (interesting handle!)

    I borrowed (most of) the settings you provided for Jumping Fences and was stable on those overnight with an artificial load running. Hopefully still up by the time I get home? I have already filled out your template, but was just waiting to see if stable. I will send through tonight.

    Thank you also for the RMA information. Will the fact that I am outside of the US be an issue? I am in NZ.

    cheers, walt_D

    EP45-DS3L (F10) / Crucial Ballistix Tracer 8500 2x1GB / E8500 / Scythe Infinity / 4870 1GB / Samsung 1TB + .5TB / Enermax Liberty 620W / Silverstone FT01

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    Default Re: EP45-DS3L / Crucial Ballistix Tracer 8500 - unstable union?

    Here we are Lsdmeasap, Thanks...

    crashed on these settings sometime today while I was at work. Screwed XP in the process - thank goodness for Ghost.

    Edit - not sure about whether these are 2.2.v. They are certainly a newer design than the last lot? Details from antistat packaging are:

    1GB 240-PIN UNBUFF DIMM 128MX64 DDR2 PC2-8500 CL5 W/LED
    BL12864AL1065.8FE5

    cheers, walt_D

    EP45-DS3L (F10) / Crucial Ballistix Tracer 8500 2x1GB / E8500 / Scythe Infinity / 4870 1GB / Samsung 1TB + .5TB / Enermax Liberty 620W / Silverstone FT01

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    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Auto
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 9x
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:. +0.5
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 3.16GHz (333x9.5)
    <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p>
    <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p>
    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 333Mhz
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........: 100
    <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p>
    C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]
    <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p>
    <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p>
    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: <<< 800
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: <<< 900
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: <<<
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: <<<
    <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p>
    <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p>
    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: [STANDARD]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: Disabled
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [Auto]
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: [Auto]
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 1066
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]
    <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p>
    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................ 5
    tRCD ......................................... 7
    tRP'........................................... 7
    tRAS.......................................... 24
    <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p>
    Set all Suggested below to highest Values first. Then later you can lower, one at a time, testing as you go
    <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p>
    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD........................................... 4 [Auto]
    tWTR.......................................... 4 [Auto]
    tWR............................................ 8 [Auto]
    tRFC........................................... 68 [Auto]
    tRTP........................................... 4 [Auto]
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................: 0 [Auto]
    <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p>
    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength ............................ 1066
    <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p>
    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................: [Auto] 8
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto 0
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto 0
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto 0
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto 0
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto 8
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto 8
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto 7
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto 9
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto
    <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p>
    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................: [Auto] 8
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto 0
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto 0
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto 0
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto 0
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto 8
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto 8
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto 7
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto 9
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto
    <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p>
    Motherboard Voltage Control
    Voltage Type.………... Manual
    CPU
    CPU Vcore….……….........................:Auto 1.25000v
    <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p>
    CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......: Auto
    <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p>
    CPU PLL…………………....1.550v *.......: Auto
    <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p>
    CPU Referen.…………....0.805v*....: Auto
    <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p>
    <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p>
    <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p>
    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: << 1.240v
    MCH Reference….…….0.760V...........; <<< Leave
    ICH I/O……………….....1.550V............: <<< Leave
    <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p>
    DRAM
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    <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p>
    Advanced Settings
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled] Enabled if you use Vmware/Virtual PC
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    Default Re: EP45-DS3L / Crucial Ballistix Tracer 8500 - unstable union?

    Hmm Crucial is worldwide, but I am not sure of their policies anywhere but here. As you can see here they accept orders from New Zealand, and they have a EU and UK office base so I would think one of them could help you if need be.

    http://www.crucial.com/international_guides/

    Not sure, maybe the US is closer? You would likely just need to call any of their contact #'s and they could tell you easily

    I think those are single sided 2.0v sticks but not sure since they have been pulled from the site? Can you post a screenshot or just check in CPU-z on the SPD Tab and see what voltage you see for 400Mhz EPP

    I would try these changes, everything else looks ok and should be fine unless you wanted to tweak it all >>>

    System Memory Multiplier ..............: [3.20B]
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 1066
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]

    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................ 5
    tRCD ......................................... 5
    tRP'........................................... 5
    tRAS.......................................... 15



    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: << 1.240v << maybe less
    MCH Reference….…….0.760V...........; <<< Leave
    ICH I/O……………….....1.550V............: <<< Leave

    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: 2.0V (If you do find you have 2.2V sticks, you may want to set 2.05-2.1 here

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    Default Re: EP45-DS3L / Crucial Ballistix Tracer 8500 - unstable union?

    Thanks Lsdmeasap

    I'll try those changes. Here is the SPD:

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    Default Re: EP45-DS3L / Crucial Ballistix Tracer 8500 - unstable union?

    Thanks Lsdmeasap. I used the settings you suggested with MCH Core @ 1.200V (just a guess) and it is noticeably quicker so fingers crossed it will be stable.

    cheers, walt_D

    EP45-DS3L (F10) / Crucial Ballistix Tracer 8500 2x1GB / E8500 / Scythe Infinity / 4870 1GB / Samsung 1TB + .5TB / Enermax Liberty 620W / Silverstone FT01

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    Default Re: EP45-DS3L / Crucial Ballistix Tracer 8500 - unstable union?

    Hi Lsdmeasap - that has proven to be quite unstable, so will move MCH Core back to 1.240V and work down incrementally from there.

    Incidentally the crash happens like this. First just a random reset with no evident info. Then won't restart Windows (BSOD's during startup - too quick to get info). Have to perform a Safe Mode start-up first to get up and running again until the next random reset.

    The 4 or 5 days I ran for last week on the single (old) dimm still leaves me confident that the rest of the system is not the cause.

    cheers, walt_D

    EP45-DS3L (F10) / Crucial Ballistix Tracer 8500 2x1GB / E8500 / Scythe Infinity / 4870 1GB / Samsung 1TB + .5TB / Enermax Liberty 620W / Silverstone FT01

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    Default Re: EP45-DS3L / Crucial Ballistix Tracer 8500 - unstable union?

    Well you need to upload your images to a image host, so you can post more then one. I use tinypic.com. So can you repost those images for each stick again?

    Ya, you should test out MCH 1.24 and 1.1-1.15 as well

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