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    Default Re: Ok, a deep breath, and some specific EP45-UD3R BIOS questions.

    Nice! Looks like the settings in my template posted here http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/stab...oltages-30561/ have been validated. That's great news. Looks like you're seeing the same excellent temperatures that I am from this E8400 beast. I see in your signature that you're RAID 0. I might try that now... RAID scares me... off into the unknown we go!

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    Default Re: Ok, a deep breath, and some specific EP45-UD3R BIOS questions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Outer Marker View Post
    Nice! Looks like the settings in my template posted here http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/stab...oltages-30561/ have been validated. That's great news. Looks like you're seeing the same excellent temperatures that I am from this E8400 beast. I see in your signature that you're RAID 0. I might try that now... RAID scares me... off into the unknown we go!
    Yeah, I was surprised I could even leave MCH voltage at 1.100V! It's great, as I am resistant to overvolting anyway. It makes me worry about reduced component lifespan.

    No need to fear the RAID. I've used RAID-0 on my main systems for several years. It's not a problem as long as you back stuff up regularly, which everyone should really be doing anyway, whether or not you're using RAID-0! Also, I've yet to have a RAID-0 array fail on me (knock on wood!). On my home file server I use a 4-disk RAID-5 setup (4x 500GB, so 1.5TB usable with 500GB parity), and I back up anything important to that.

    RAID-0 is a nice way to get a hefty disk bandwidth boost from a pair of smaller, cheaper drives. With the two 80GB disks I only have 160GB total on my main system, but it's plenty of working space for games and any projects. If you want to install your OS directly to the array there's the small extra step of slipstreaming the drivers into your installation CD (or using a floppy during install), but it's really a minor thing compared to the benefit.
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    Default Re: Ok, a deep breath, and some specific EP45-UD3R BIOS questions.

    Well, I couldn't leave it alone. Those silly plastic push-pin mounts of the stock Q6600 heatsink seemed kind of flimsy. I figured they were both less secure, and also don't apply as much pressure as might be beneficial. I ordered a Thermaright LGA 775 "Bolt-Thru Kit" to replace them, which arrived today.

    Well, while I had system disassembled tonight to install the new heatsink mount I figured I might as well lap the processor's integrated heat spreader. I lapped it down to the copper ending at 1000 grit. I'd recently done this with an old Opteron 170, and felt bold enough to now do it with my new chip. The surface of the Q6600 heatsink was already very flat, which is good, as I couldn't lap it due to the permanent mounting bracket that's attached.

    So far my Prime95 load temps (at 3.6GHz) are hovering around 53-54C after about 30 minutes, so down about 3 degrees from the previous temps, and that's before the new application of Arctic Silver 5 has cured. Yay for cooler-running overclocked processors!

    I highly recommend that Thermalright bolt-thru kit. It's a huge improvement from the annoying stock Intel solution; much more secure and likely higher compression force between the heatsink and the processor.
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    Default Re: Ok, a deep breath, and some specific EP45-UD3R BIOS questions.

    Ya, Those ThermalRight Bolt thru kits are good! I use them in my Water cooling setups. They also stop the boards from flexing which is another plus aside from the great pressure you can apply with them

    I do use my own bolts thru them though, with the stock holes drilled out. Just so I can use my own bolts and thumbscrews though

    If you need help with all those Auto's let me know

    I recommend you try out some TX-2 Thermal Paste, you will like it for several reasons.....

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    Default Re: Ok, a deep breath, and some specific EP45-UD3R BIOS questions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lsdmeasap View Post
    If you need help with all those Auto's let me know
    I did some experimenting with MemTest running (the Windows program from HCI Design) while slowly tightening down timings using MemSet v4.0. I found the point at which errors or lockups/reboots occurred, and recorded the lowest "safe" value for each. I ended up with these:

    tRRD: 4
    tWTR: 10
    tWR (aka Write to Precharge Delay): 10
    tRFC: 46
    tRTP: 4
    Command Rate: 2

    I also did some experimenting, and it turns out the values set in the BIOS are different than what are actually used, but not in the same way as your memory guide. I get the following offsets (with the F7 BIOS):

    tWTR: +8 actual vs. BIOS
    tWR: +8 actual vs. BIOS
    tRTP: +2 actual vs. BIOS

    In any case, I've set the timings in BIOS such that they correctly result in the most aggressive "safe" numbers I listed above, and will now test overnight with Memtest86+ v2.11.

    Lsdmeasap, please let me know if those settings above look off or unreasonable somehow. I'm going with the "get everything as low as possible" philosophy. If there are any interdependencies in those settings that I'm unwittingly messing up such that bandwidth and/or latency might be negatively affected, give me a holler.

    Thanks!
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    Default Re: Ok, a deep breath, and some specific EP45-UD3R BIOS questions.

    ya the difference between Memset VS the BIOS varies from strap to strap and multi to multi. I think I noted that in the guide, but maybe not?

    tWR and tWTR, 10. That is in Memset right, not the BIOS? Just checking because that is likely not needed to be so high in the BIOS. And actually may prove to be to low in further tests as well anyway. And tWR will need to be higher (Not equal to) tWTR, just a heads up. It may seem stable in shorter tests but will not be in the long run

    tRRD, and tRTP should easily be able to run at 3, what tRD (Static tRead Value ~ Performance Level in Memset) are you using, this may be causing you issues if it is too low and throw off your other results

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    Default Re: Ok, a deep breath, and some specific EP45-UD3R BIOS questions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lsdmeasap View Post
    ya the difference between Memset VS the BIOS varies from strap to strap and multi to multi. I think I noted that in the guide, but maybe not?
    I looked over it (the one here) and didn't see that mentioned. It does kind of make sense that it would be strap/multi dependent though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lsdmeasap View Post
    tWR and tWTR, 10. That is in Memset right, not the BIOS?
    Yeah, that's in Memset.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lsdmeasap View Post
    And tWR will need to be higher (Not equal to) tWTR, just a heads up. It may seem stable in shorter tests but will not be in the long run
    Good to know! I did find around 16 errors this morning after letting Memtest86+ run overnight. I'll try running with tWR at 11 tonight and see how that works.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lsdmeasap View Post
    tRRD, and tRTP should easily be able to run at 3, what tRD (Static tRead Value ~ Performance Level in Memset) are you using, this may be causing you issues if it is too low and throw off your other results
    I'm using tRD 7 right now. It was 24-hr Memtest86+ stable with all the advanced settings on auto, so I'm pretty sure it's ok.

    Thanks again!
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    Default Re: Ok, a deep breath, and some specific EP45-UD3R BIOS questions.

    Ahh, OK I will update that guide's font page. I know me and a member or two have discussed that in the thread, I just must have not ever updated it.

    Will try to get done tomorrow as I am about to get outta here in a few.

    Well since you are good on tRD 7 with all the rest on auto, then you just need to find the rest... Sounds easy doesn't it

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    Default Re: Ok, a deep breath, and some specific EP45-UD3R BIOS questions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lsdmeasap View Post
    Ahh, OK I will update that guide's font page. I know me and a member or two have discussed that in the thread, I just must have not ever updated it.

    Will try to get done tomorrow as I am about to get outta here in a few.

    Well since you are good on tRD 7 with all the rest on auto, then you just need to find the rest... Sounds easy doesn't it
    Well, it seems like these settings are stable (17+ hours of MemTest86+):

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    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD...................................: 4
    tWTR...................................: 2 (+8 = 10 actual in Windows)
    tWR....................................: 3 (+8 = 11 actual in Windows)
    tRFC...................................: 48
    tRTP...................................: 2 (+2 = 4 actual in Windows)
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................: 2
    Using MemSet I find that tRFC starts causing errors under Windows (according to HCI's Windows MemTest app) when I pull it below 46. I was being conservative in my last test in setting 48. I suppose I could run another test overnight to see if 46 can work stably. I can't see that one adjustment making much difference at this point. Would trying to get tRRD and tRTP to 3 still be worth it?
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    Default Re: Ok, a deep breath, and some specific EP45-UD3R BIOS questions.

    Well, I decided to try for the tighter timings. I also discovered something weird in the process. It appears that I can't set tRTP lower than 4, at least using the BIOS.

    I had it at 2 in the BIOS previously, and that ended up as 4 actual under Windows. No problem, I just thought it was going to always add +2 to whatever I set in the BIOS. Oddly, even if I reduce the BIOS setting to 1, tRTP still shows up in MemSet under Windows as 4, meaning it's now adding +3, and all I did was try to change that one BIOS setting.

    Anyway, I verified these settings stable for 22 hours of MemTest86+

    Code:
    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD...................................: 3
    tWTR...................................: 2 (+8 = 10 actual in Windows)
    tWR....................................: 3 (+8 = 11 actual in Windows)
    tRFC...................................: 46
    tRTP...................................: 1 (+3 = 4 actual in Windows)
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................: 2
    I'm pretty happy at this point. Here's the full configuration currently. Does anyone see any remaining areas that would be worth fine tuning?

    Code:
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Auto
    CPU Clock Ratio .......................: 9x
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio...................: +0.0
    CPU Frequency .........................: 3.60GHz
    
    Clock Chip Control 
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control.................: Enable
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 400
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) ...........: 100
    
    C.I.A.2 ...............................: Disabled
    
    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive........................: 800mV
    PCI Express Clock Drive................: 900mV
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0ps
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0ps
    
    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance....................: Standard
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.)........: Disabled
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch.................: Auto
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: 2.66D
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ................: 1066
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: Manual
    
    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time.......................: 5
    tRCD ..................................: 5
    tRP'...................................: 5
    tRAS...................................: 15
    
    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD...................................: 3
    tWTR...................................: 2 (+8 = 10 actual in Windows)
    tWR....................................: 3 (+8 = 11 actual in Windows)
    tRFC...................................: 46
    tRTP...................................: 1 (+3 = 4 actual in Windows)
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................: 2
    
    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength ......................: 1066
    
    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.....................: 7
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment..................: Auto
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment..................: Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................: Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................: Auto
    
    Trd2rd(Different Rank).................: Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank).................: Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank).................: Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank).................: Auto
    
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............: Auto
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............: Auto
    DDR Write Training.....................: Auto
    
    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.....................: 7
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment..................: Auto
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment..................: Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................: Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................: Auto
    
    Trd2rd(Different Rank).................: Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank).................: Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank).................: Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank).................: Auto
    
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............: Auto
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............: Auto
    DDR Write Training.....................: Auto
    
    Motherboard Voltage Control
    Voltage Type...........................: Manual
    
    CPU---------------------Normal-----------Current
    
    Load Line Calibration..................: Disabled
    CPU Vcore...............1.25000V.......: 1.25000V
    CPU Termination.........1.200V.........: 1.200V
    CPU PLL.................1.500V.........: 1.500V
    CPU Reference...........0.760V.........: Auto
    
    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core................1.100V.........: 1.100V
    MCH Reference...........0.760V.........: Auto
    MCH/DRAM Reference......0.900V.........: Auto
    ICH I/O.................1.500V.........: 1.500V
    ICH Core................1.100V.........: 1.100V
    
    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage............1.800V.........: 2.100V
    DRAM Termination........0.900V.........: Auto
    Channel A Reference.....0.900V.........: Auto
    Channel B Reference.....0.900V.........: Auto
    
    Advanced Settings
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3..................: Disabled
    No-Execute Memory Protect..............: Enabled
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: Enabled
    C2/C2E State Support...................: Enabled
    x C4/C4E State Support.................: Enabled
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ............: Enabled
    CPU EIST Function......................: Enabled
    Virtualization Technology..............: Enabled
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