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    Quote Originally Posted by Lsdmeasap View Post
    How bout 7 or 8 x 400, have you tried that? Just wondering

    Ya, the board could very well be the culprit here, it is the P43, cheaper chipset, and the "L" Series so cheaper series. Double cheap, sorry dont mean to make it sound so bad... But ya that may have alot to do with it

    Have any $$? P45-UD3 boards are pretty cheap
    In regards to 7 or 8 x 400, I believe I have. I will try again in the next 24 hours and get back to you. Affording a new board right off the bat not possible for the short term, but very possible if it is found that the board or the chipset of the board its self is the culprit. I mean for what I paid am I getting my moneys worth I think so. I have been thinking well if I burnt the board and the chip up from overclocking hard I am out 150 bucks. Which by itself is no big deal.

    Just if I get another board I will spring for the p45 chipset and a quad and probably wont spend more then...250 to 300 bucks... And have processing horsepower to spare for my media encoding and editing... I plan on skipping the I7 intel stuff for atleast 1 year perhaps 2 and get back into a new rig after the p45 when intel goes down to the .32nm chips. I mean the difference in speed between my old xp-m 2500 oc'd to 3200 or 2.2ghz and this new dual core oc'd 3.0ghz is NIGHT AND DAY!

    If you can give me some insight into the differences in a Gigabyte p45 UD3 board and mine? I thought it was a extra PCI-E 2.0 16x slot and thats it in the over all scheme of things... I see different ending letters on the gigabyte ud3 boards such ud3r or ud3p and mine ud3l.. what is the major difference? perhaps 4 to 6 phases with the p45 chips mobo on power supply to the CPU? what else?

    Talk to me here... I am happy but there is room for a bigger smile at the right price :D
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    Default Re: EP-43-UD3L and a E5200 o/c help thread!

    Do you live in the US? I just ask because you said $150 for that board, when $100 or so is the rate for P45 normally.

    It very well could be the board, hard to say for sure as I am not there to manually run thru many things at once and see for myself

    Well here is a comparison of your board and the P45-UD3 models at newegg (P43-UD3L ~ P45-UD3P/UD3R/UD3L/UD3LR No UD3 in stock). >>>

    Newegg.com - Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, Digital Cameras and more!

    Even a P45-UD3L would be better, just so you are getting the P45 chipset over the P43, but I do not suggest a L version if you are wanting better then average as it is the Budget model and would not be the best overclocker. But I do see OK Reviews on the P45-UD3L. UD3R and UD3P are only $1-!0 more then UD3L after rebate, so if you have the $$ Better to get a UD3R at least

    As for the naming scheme, here is most of the info on that >>>

    * GA: Gigabyte


    * E: Energy saving technology
    * P45: Chipset


    * D: Ultra Durable 2 (low rds mosfet, ferrite core chokes, all solid capacitors)

    * UD3 Ultra Durable 3 (2oz Copper in PCB, low rds mosfet, ferrite core chokes, all solid capacitors)

    * L: Lite "lite" or entry level. For example, the DS3L has only 3-phase power or another example Only one PCIe x16

    * R: RAID The R version(s) have RAID, & are "mainstream" level

    * S3 Stands for Speed-Smart-Safe

    * S4: Adds silent pipe cooling

    * S5: Includes smart backup (Including all of S4's features)

    * P: Includes TPM. The P version(s)are "pro" or high level, with more ports etc (P45 DS3R, DS4P, DS5, DQ6 have TPM support)

    * Q: Gigabyte Flagship product with all features included

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lsdmeasap View Post
    Do you live in the US? I just ask because you said $150 for that board, when $100 or so is the rate for P45 normally.

    It very well could be the board, hard to say for sure as I am not there to manually run thru many things at once and see for myself

    Well here is a comparison of your board and the P45-UD3 models at newegg (P43-UD3L ~ P45-UD3P/UD3R/UD3L/UD3LR No UD3 in stock). >>>

    Newegg.com - Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, Digital Cameras and more!

    Even a P45-UD3L would be better, just so you are getting the P45 chipset over the P43, but I do not suggest a L version if you are wanting better then average as it is the Budget model and would not be the best overclocker. But I do see OK Reviews on the P45-UD3L. UD3R and UD3P are only $1-!0 more then UD3L after rebate, so if you have the $$ Better to get a UD3R at least

    As for the naming scheme, here is most of the info on that >>>

    * GA: Gigabyte


    * E: Energy saving technology
    * P45: Chipset


    * D: Ultra Durable 2 (low rds mosfet, ferrite core chokes, all solid capacitors)

    * UD3 Ultra Durable 3 (2oz Copper in PCB, low rds mosfet, ferrite core chokes, all solid capacitors)

    * L: Lite "lite" or entry level. For example, the DS3L has only 3-phase power or another example Only one PCIe x16

    * R: RAID The R version(s) have RAID, & are "mainstream" level

    * S3 Stands for Speed-Smart-Safe

    * S4: Adds silent pipe cooling

    * S5: Includes smart backup (Including all of S4's features)

    * P: Includes TPM. The P version(s)are "pro" or high level, with more ports etc (P45 DS3R, DS4P, DS5, DQ6 have TPM support)

    * Q: Gigabyte Flagship product with all features included
    Do you live in the US? I just ask because you said $150 for that board, when $100 or so is the rate for P45 normally. Yes I live in Arizona and buy from newegg mostly.

    If you read closely: "I have been thinking well if I burnt the "BOARD and the CHIP" up from overclocking hard I am out 150 bucks. Which by itself is no big deal. So this overclocking started with a budget and I am working my way up to bigger and better parts. I also looked at the boards a bit more carefully. You can see slight differences around the CPU area and to attain 1600fsb with the P43 u have to overclock to get there on the P45 it appears it comes naturally. So in a way I made a bad decision getting the P43 and save perhaps 15 bucks to 40... I think my choice for a new mobo will be *drumroll* GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3R when I get it.

    Thanks again LSDMEASAP! .... share your thoughts!
    Last edited by maestromark; 03-08-2009 at 03:14 AM.

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    I have the same setup as OP (ep43-ud3l + e5200) and haven't quite figured out how to overclock the way I want. I would like to push the chip to 3 or 3.5GHz and have the RAM running at or upwards of DDR2-800MHz. I was thinking of something like 12.5 x 266 for 3.3GHz. 12.5 x 280 for 3.5GHz is likely the max I would attempt to push this neutered wolfdale on stock cooling (larger stock HSF from my e8400). I don't want to run the RAM overclocked, so I need to find a reasonable memory divider (if that is the right term)so that anything with a FSB of 280 (or mayber only up to 266) or below runs the RAM within spec. That would allow me to slowly raise the FSB in windows while stress testing to find how high I can go with stock CPU voltage and then go back and use the final settings via BIOS. I read through this thread but don't understand the straps, latches and everything else. I think auto for me is 4.00C which is like a 2:1 mem:fsb memory divider (or multiplier), right? Maybe I should be using the 2.66C or 3.33C option? When I tried changing these I got the dreaded triple boot.
    #1:Intel e8400|Gigabyte EP45-UD3R F5|Transcend 4GB (2x2GB) DDR2-800 CAS 5|BFG 8800 GTS 512MB (750core/1055mem/1860shader)|(2)Seagate Barracuda ES.2 250GB on RAID-0
    #2:Intel e5200|Gigabyte EP43-UD3L F1|Kingston 2GB (2x1GB) DDR2-800 CAS 5|MSI 9800 GT|WD 250GB SATA|Thermaltake TR2 430W

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    Default Re: EP-43-UD3L and a E5200 o/c help thread!

    Of course the EP-45-UD3 is out of stock because they cant keep up with the demand
    Who needs all that piping n blue hats on the heatsinks anyway
    Current Systems:

    Asrock p67 Extreme6.............. Gigabyte EP-45 UD3 ...................... Gigabyte 73 PVM S2
    Intel i5 2500k 4.8ghz................ Intel Q8400 3.8ghz......................... Intel D820 2.8ghz
    Zalman 10x cooler.................... Coolermaster V8............................ HP cooler
    8GB Gskill ripjaw ddr3.............. 4GB Gskill PI ddr2.......................... 4GB samsung ddr2
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    Win7 64 ,750w psu(ocz)............ Win7 64 ,520w psu,seasonic...... Win XP pro ,400w psu

    HEC 6A34 case . ....................... Jeantec R2 case............................ Packard Bell case

    hoping to upgrade to http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/habicase.shtml
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    Default Re: EP-43-UD3L and a E5200 o/c help thread!

    Sounds like a good choice maestromarkif you do not plan to go i7 anytime soon. Ya, I ddi misread how you said that about 150

    Kick, I like the Blue heatsink looks and the grey metal. But the way they make the heatsinks is terrible I think. They are really thick under there, no thin fins like the old style so they hold heat alot more.

    PissedOffMonkey

    If you want to run 3.5-3.6 and keep the memory around 800 I would use 333x11 and then use 2.40B memory Multi. I need a link to your Ram to say much more.

    Have you got anywhere yet CPU Overclock wise? Just wondering if you knew what CPU Related voltages you need yet for this overclock.

    I can help you with all your settings, but you need to decide on what you want to do for sure first

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    This is the RAM I have:
    Kingston Technology Company - Kingston Memory Search - Search Results for: KVR800D2N5K2/2G

    Using the 12.5 mult and the 3.33C strap with a FSB of 240 my e5200 is running 3.0GHz on stock voltage. The RAM is running at DDR2-800 CAS 5. Using the 2.66C (to keep RAM from going above spec) I could push the CPU to about 3.2GHz before it wanted more voltage. Temps (according to coretemp) at full load running 3GHz (orthos 12hrs+ stable) were about 55C. I plan to raise the voltage to upwards of 1.35V and see if it is stable at 3.5GHz. That would be a FSB of 280 and have the RAM running right at DDR2-800. If that works out I might try tightening up the RAM timings. I know some people have gotten this RAM to run CAS 4 at 800.

    On a similar note... is there any real benefit from running a lower mult and higher fsb to achieve the same overall speed? From what testing I have done with my e8400, c2d CPUs don't really perform better with a higher FSB and just causes the chipset to run hotter.

    NEW INFO:
    Using the 12.5 mult and 2.66C strap would have required me to run around 3.75GHz to have the RAM running at DDR2-800 speeds. Instead I dropped the mult down to 11.5 still on the 2.66C strap using the 300 FSB for 3.45GHz. I had to bump the CPU voltage to about 1.33V (1.264-1.280 in cpuz) and am now stability testing.
    Last edited by PissedOffMonkey; 03-10-2009 at 10:50 AM. Reason: new info
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    #2:Intel e5200|Gigabyte EP43-UD3L F1|Kingston 2GB (2x1GB) DDR2-800 CAS 5|MSI 9800 GT|WD 250GB SATA|Thermaltake TR2 430W

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    Default Re: EP-43-UD3L and a E5200 o/c help thread!

    Just a quick note. I am in the process of stability testing. I am running @ 3.0 ghz @ 1.175v which vdroop down 1.15 to 1.13v... I am going to try and see how far down I can bring the voltage down and let you all know. a 333fsb and according strap to bring down to memory 800mhz is working nicely. 100% stablity so far wee!
    MaestroMark
    Last edited by maestromark; 03-12-2009 at 03:16 PM.

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    Reserved for Benchmarking and Super Pi benchmark stats coming soon!
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    I have some problems with my setup. According to the BIOS, I am running a FSB of 300 on the 2.66C strap with a mult of 11.5. The BIOS says the RAM is running DDR2-800 and the overall CPU speed is 3.45GHz (11.5x300). EasyTune6 reports 3.45GHz and RAM at DDR2-798 (which is just rounding error). Here is where things get strange. CPU-Z doesn't show what speed the RAM is running nor the memory divider. Both are greyed out. But CPU-Z does show the correct CPU speed. Windows system properties shows 3.75GHz. Orthos shows 3.75GHz. Blackbox shows the correct 3.45GHz but 0.00MHz for the RAM and an incorrect memory divider of 1:1. To top it all off, memtest86+ v2.11 (current) sees the correct CPU speed but says the RAM is running only DDR2-750. What in the heck is going on?
    #1:Intel e8400|Gigabyte EP45-UD3R F5|Transcend 4GB (2x2GB) DDR2-800 CAS 5|BFG 8800 GTS 512MB (750core/1055mem/1860shader)|(2)Seagate Barracuda ES.2 250GB on RAID-0
    #2:Intel e5200|Gigabyte EP43-UD3L F1|Kingston 2GB (2x1GB) DDR2-800 CAS 5|MSI 9800 GT|WD 250GB SATA|Thermaltake TR2 430W

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