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    Default EP-43-UD3L and a E5200 o/c help thread!

    Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-EP43-UD3L
    Memory:Kingston 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model KVR800D2N6K2/2G
    Cpu:Intel Pentium E5200 Wolfdale 2.5GHz LGA 775 65W SLAY7
    Power Supply: PC and Power Cooling 510
    Heatsink: Stock (For Now)
    BIOS Version:F2

    It runs stock perfect and have OCCT for 8 hours no problems @ stock voltage for ram and cpu speed and full auto just to baseline full stability of components. My goals are pretty simple with this budget build.

    I want to try and get a 333fsb or 400fsb and 3.0ghz for 24/7 usage and baseline or advanced tweaks to get me there would be very helpful. I personally think this board for the price is bad as heck and want to see what I can do with it. Any and all help is asked for kindly and thank you in advance. I just want to further my knowledge and then help others. My first post in Tweaktown Hi everybody!

    Thanks
    Mark

    P.S I have read the Gigabyte X38/P35/P965 (DS* DQ* S3) Overclocking and General BIOS tweaking Guide
    Last edited by maestromark; 03-01-2009 at 09:45 AM. Reason: added the P.S info

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    Default Re: EP-43-UD3L and a E5200 o/c help thread!

    Thanks for providing all your links and specs on your first post, wish everyone would do that!!!

    So have you tried to run 333 FSB yet? If you have, or do before I get back to you be sure you set you own Vtt (Termination) and PLL voltages as if you leave them on Auto they will get WAY Overvolted.

    Here, you can try this for 333 FSB. CPU/Vtt voltages will be up to you to find as all boards and chips are different. Just set it high enough so you can get into windows, you can lower it later. Stock cooling may be a issue, keep that in mind

    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Auto or Fast
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 9
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:.0
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 2.997


    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 333Mhz
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........:Set to 100

    C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]


    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: <<< 800
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: <<< 900
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: <<<
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: <<<


    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: [STANDARD]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: Disabled
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [Auto]
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: 2.50A or 2.40B

    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 900Mhz
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]

    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................6
    tRCD .........................................6
    tRP'...........................................6
    tRAS..........................................15/18

    Set all below to highest suggested first, then you can lower later one at a time

    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD...........................................3-4
    tWTR..........................................3-6
    tWR............................................6-8
    tRFC...........................................42-48
    tRTP...........................................3-5
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................:2

    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength ............................800

    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................:6-12
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:<<< Leave for all below as well
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps

    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................:6-12
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:<<< Leave for all below as well
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps

    Motherboard Voltage Control
    Voltage Type.………... Manual
    CPU
    CPU Vcore….……….........................:1.25-1.36+ (All up to your chip) Actual shown in CPU-z, what you set in the BIOS will be less once inside windows so keep that in mind as well

    CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......: <<< 1.2-1.34 (1.2-1.28 likely plenty)
    CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: << 1.5-1.58

    CPU Referen.…………....0.755V*.......: <<< .64% Of Vtt (Termination above) Auto Will set this correctly

    CPU Reference2………,,0.800V*.......:<<< .67% Of Vtt (Termination above) Auto Will set this correctly

    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: << 1.1-1.2 (Auto or 1.1 is likely fine for 2x1GB)
    MCH Reference….…….0.800V...........; <<< Leave
    MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........: <<< Leave
    ICH I/O……………….....1.550V............: <<< 1.5-1.6
    ICH Core…………...……1.100V............: <<< 1.1x-1.2

    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: 1.8-1.85
    DRAM Termination .…0.900V............: <<< Leave
    Channel A Reference 0.900V............: <<< Leave
    Channel B Reference 0.900V............: <<< Leave

    Advanced Settings
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled] Enabled if you use Vmware/Virtual PC

    Integrated Peripherals
    Legacy USB Storage Detect ..............[Disabled] *Note* Must be enabled to flash from USB

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    Default Re: EP-43-UD3L and a E5200 o/c help thread!

    Here are my adjustments as you advised and interpretations of results to report to you.

    --------------------------- Report Start ------------------------------

    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ..................: Auto or Fast (Set Fast)
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 9 (Set 9)
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio......................:.0 (Set 0)
    CPU Frequency ............................: 2.997 (Correct Read)


    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control....................: [Enabled] (Set Enabled)
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) .................: 333Mhz (Read 333mhz)
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) ..............: Set to 100 (Set 100)

    C.I.A.2 ..................................: [Disabled] (Set Disabled)


    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: <<< 800 (Bios read 800 and Set)
    PCI Express Clock Drive...................: <<< 900 (Bios read 800 and Set)
    *CPU Clock Skew (ps).......................: <<<
    *MCH Clock Skew (ps).......................: <<<


    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance.......................: [STANDARD] (Set Standard)
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.)...........: Disabled (No Bios Option to Set)
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch....................: [Auto] (Set 333mhz) (Did Not Set as Auto = 1333mhz Ram Speed = Double Reboot)
    System Memory Multiplier .................: 2.50A or 2.40B (Set 2.40B)

    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ...................: 800Mhz (Directly Tied to CPU Host Frequency no direct individual adjustment available) (CPU Host Frequency + System Memory Multiplier @ 2.40B = 800mhz Memory Speed) (According to Bios Read)

    DRAM Timing Selectable ...................: [Manual] (Set Manual)

    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time..........................: 6 (set 5)
    tRCD .....................................: 6 (set 5)
    tRP'......................................: 6 (set 5)
    tRAS......................................: 15/18 (set 15)


    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD......................................: 3-4 (Set 3)
    tWTR......................................: 3-6 (Set 3)
    tWR.......................................: 6-8 (Set 6)
    tRFC......................................: 42-48 (Set 42)
    tRTP......................................: 3-5 (Set 3)
    Command Rate (CMD) .......................: 2 (Set 2)

    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength .........................: 800 (No Bios Option to Set)

    Channel A
    Static tRead Value........................:6-12 (Bios Read 8)
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment.....................:<<< Leave for all below as well (Bios Read 1)
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment.....................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment ....................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment.....................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)....................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control..................:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control..................:Auto ps

    Channel B
    Static tRead Value........................:6-12 (Bios Read 8)
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment.....................:<<< Leave for all below as well (Bios Read 1)
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment.....................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment ....................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment.....................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)....................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control.............. .:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control.............. .:Auto ps

    Motherboard Voltage Control
    Voltage Type.………... Manual
    CPU
    CPU Vcore.................................:1.25-1.36+ (All up to your chip) (Set 1.2500)

    CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......: <<< 1.2-1.34 (1.2-1.28 likely plenty) (Set 1.200)
    CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: << 1.5-1.58 (No Bios Option to Set)

    CPU Referen.…………....0.755V*.......: <<< .64% Of Vtt (Termination above) Auto Will set this correctly (No Bios Option to Set)

    CPU Reference2………,,0.800V*.......:<<< .67% Of Vtt (Termination above) Auto Will set this correctly (No Bios Option to Set)

    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: << 1.1-1.2 (Auto or 1.1 is likely fine for 2x1GB) (Bios Read 1.100)
    *MCH Reference….…….0.800V...........; <<< Leave
    *MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........: <<< Leave
    *ICH I/O……………….....1.550V............: <<< 1.5-1.6
    *ICH Core…………...……1.100V............: <<< 1.1x-1.2

    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: 1.8-1.85 (Set 1.800)
    DRAM Termination .…0.900V............: <<< Leave (No Bios Option to Set)
    Channel A Reference 0.900V............: <<< Leave (No Bios Option to Set)
    Channel B Reference 0.900V............: <<< Leave (No Bios Option to Set)

    Advanced Settings
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled] (Set Disabled)
    No-Execute Memory Protect.................: [Enabled] (Set Enabled)
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)...................: [Disabled] (Set Disabled)
    C2/C2E State Support......................: [Disabled] (Set Disabled)
    C4/C4E State Support....................: [Disabled] (Set Disabled)
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...............: [Enabled] (Set Enabled)
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled] (Set Disabled)
    Virtualization Technology.................: [Disabled] Enabled if you use Vmware/Virtual PC (No Bios Option to Set)

    Integrated Peripherals
    Legacy USB Storage Detect ..............[Disabled] *Note* Must be enabled to flash from USB (Set Disabled)

    ------------------------------ Report End -----------------------------

    Everything is stable on initial stability testing . (1hr of OCCT Testing) Note item(s) with (*) I have not put a value in and is set at auto in the Bios at the moment. I did not find some of the Bios adjustment options you asked me to adjust and so noted in report. I have tried multiple times to use the Ctrl+F1 option to make available hidden adjustable Bios options with no success currently (please advise). CPU Full load Temps around Mid 50's with OCCT Linpack or Standard OCCT stability test method time (1 hour).

    Continuing longer stability testing tonight with 8+ hour OCCT stability testing. I did my very best to keep everything very accurate in the report so its concise and ease of reading. Further goals to set lower and higher (2.5 - 3.33ghz) CPU Speed and According CPU Vcore and saving into CMOS profiles as time permits and stability is achieved with each.

    Thank You Lsdmeasap for the guide.
    Last edited by maestromark; 03-02-2009 at 01:09 AM. Reason: A few adjustments to report format.

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    Default Re: EP-43-UD3L and a E5200 o/c help thread!

    It makes a change to see a different ud3 type posted, for me.
    Im not going to comment much. I hope the 800mhz mem goes well,then again it isnt overclocked at all with your current set up.
    The only thing that cntrl +F1 adds on my ud3 is a timing for pci cards 32/64/128 .Its something to do with priority of bus access time.I leave it alone .
    Hit cntrl+F1 on the main bios screen,it doesnt do anything if you are already in a section such as pc health.
    Older Gigabyte boards needed cntrl +F1 to expose advanced memory timings etc.
    Last edited by kick; 03-02-2009 at 08:07 AM.
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    Default Re: EP-43-UD3L and a E5200 o/c help thread!

    Hi Kick,

    I am probably going to upgrade the ram (1066), processor (quad) and heatsink at some point this year depending on finances. My initial goal was get more performance over stock and succeeded nicely. I just had to learn what all these new settings in the bios do and how to adjust them for optimum performance and stability. I think this board will get me past the intel I7 and into the generation after that mobo and processor package. Thanks for the input on the Ctrl+F1 issue . I believe I can get at least 3.33 ghz to 3.6ghz with better ram and heatsink. What I find odd is that I have not been able to get a 400fsb no matter what strap or voltage adjustments I use. Perhaps its not ment to be?

    I am a overclocker since 486 generation processor days. I just upgraded from a XP-2500 mobile overclocked to XP-3200 speeds and Abit An7 setup that was long in the tooth but great fun to tinker with. Gotta give props to Gigabyte they offer great value to performance ratio with Ultra Durable line up.

    Thanks
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    Default Re: EP-43-UD3L and a E5200 o/c help thread!

    Ya 400 FSB may not be possible with that CPU?

    You confuse me here >>>
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch....................: [Auto] (Set 333mhz) (Did Not Set as Auto = 1333mhz Ram Speed = Double Reboot)
    Auto is fine, and the same as manually setting 333, you just have to set Auto and then choose a 333 memory multi (One with B on it). Here are the multi's and which strap each is on. >>




    System Memory Multiplier .................: 2.50A or 2.40B (Set 2.40B) << See "B" This is a 333 Strap Multi which would be 333 FSB x 2.40B = 800Mhz

    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ...................: 800Mhz (Directly Tied to CPU Host Frequency no direct individual adjustment available) (CPU Host Frequency + System Memory Multiplier @ 2.40B = 800mhz Memory Speed) (According to Bios Read)
    Yes, that is correct CPU FSB X Memory Multi = Ram speed

    You have the "L" Version so you board may not have as many settings as I posted so dont worry P45 does not hide much as mentioned above. I dont believe it hides anything in any of the models MIT Sections

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    Default Re: EP-43-UD3L and a E5200 o/c help thread!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lsdmeasap View Post
    Ya 400 FSB may not be possible with that CPU?

    You confuse me here >>>


    Auto is fine, and the same as manually setting 333, you just have to set Auto and then choose a 333 memory multi (One with B on it). Here are the multi's and which strap each is on. >>




    System Memory Multiplier .................: 2.50A or 2.40B (Set 2.40B) << See "B" This is a 333 Strap Multi which would be 333 FSB x 2.40B = 800Mhz



    Yes, that is correct CPU FSB X Memory Multi = Ram speed

    You have the "L" Version so you board may not have as many settings as I posted so dont worry P45 does not hide much as mentioned above. I dont believe it hides anything in any of the models MIT Sections
    400fsb is atleast in my case and CPU is not possible I can get perhaps 360-370fsb above that a double reboot. I am so glad its hard to corrupt the bios by overclocking back on the Abit An7 I went thru 2 bios chips corrupting them by overclocking the board. On a side question what is a accetable max temp of the CPU on a overclock. The reads I get from idle to full load jump perhaps from 35 to 50 in 15 seconds. I went on a suicide run (probably not that extreme of voltage.) and tried 1.42v @ 4.0ghz and posted and got into windows and ran super pi and the results were not to bad. I only tested to 4meg to get a idea of what 4.0ghz e5200 was like. On my Xp-m 2500 oc to 3200 speeds my Super Pi 1meg time was about what a 2meg Super Pi is at on this 4.0ghz speed run. I think I hit about 65c to 68c on the runs @ 4.0ghz which is high but not life threatening. 16K 00.109 32K 00.234 64K 00.500 128K 01.094 256K 02.407 512K 05.437 1M 13.938 2M 36.140 4M 01.14.782 Share your thoughts. MaestroMark P.S Please Disregard total error on my part. -----> (G)MCH Frequency Latch....................: [Auto] (Set 333mhz) (Did Not Set as Auto = 1333mhz Ram Speed = Double Reboot)
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    Default Re: EP-43-UD3L and a E5200 o/c help thread!

    Well you have to keep in mind you never run your system as hard as stress programs do, but I would say under 70-75 is fine, not the greatest but very acceptable. So I think you are ok on temps

    What FSB did you run on your suicide run @ 4Ghz mentioned above?

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    Default Re: EP-43-UD3L and a E5200 o/c help thread!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lsdmeasap View Post
    Well you have to keep in mind you never run your system as hard as stress programs do, but I would say under 70-75 is fine, not the greatest but very acceptable. So I think you are ok on temps

    What FSB did you run on your suicide run @ 4Ghz mentioned above?
    In regards to the FSB I was running @ 333 (I can rerun super pi to make sure.) as I recall and the voltage set in the bios was 1.425 or 1.42 cant remember which... My top end FSB with my setup as we talked about is about 360 give or take a little. Anything above that is a double reboot no matter what voltage I have tried or combination. I have absolutely not been able to get 400fsb period though I wish I could. It might be the CPU or chipset or the 4 phase to the CPU, but I have seen in other threads people with a higher end CPU get 400 with the P45 chipset. I thought the only difference between the P43 and P45 in a simple way was 2 PCI-E 16x slots thats it? Maestromark P.S Sorry being a repetitive in anything I say I am tired I cant think atm
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    Default Re: EP-43-UD3L and a E5200 o/c help thread!

    How bout 7 or 8 x 400, have you tried that? Just wondering

    Ya, the board could very well be the culprit here, it is the P43, cheaper chipset, and the "L" Series so cheaper series. Double cheap, sorry dont mean to make it sound so bad... But ya that may have alot to do with it

    Have any $$? P45-UD3 boards are pretty cheap

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