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    Exclamation Debugging new build

    I recently build a new system about a week ago with the following parts:
    GA-EP45-UD3R
    OCZ2RPR10664GK
    Core 2 Quad Q6600
    PC Power & Cooling S61EPS
    PNY 9600GSO 768MB PCI-Express Video Card
    case has 6 80mm fans

    For the most part part the system seems to be stable however theirs a few things it sporadically does that I don't know whats causing it. Here is some of the quarks that its done.

    • Consistent cold boot failure. (computer off for 3+ hours then start)
      • Started to boot, blue screen in windows start up and rebooted
      • Powered on came back 5 min later both screens where blank
        • Mobo lights here all lit
      • Second boot screen was scrolling by, restarted
      • Bios usually come up on just first monitor, one time it came up on the second restarted in bios boot screen, came up on first monitor restarted again, second monitor signal led indicator turned blue but nothing after that.
    • out of 4 fresh installs of windows 64bit, twice after running the Intel inf updater, all the usb ports were dead,used keyboard and device manager said drivers corrupt,a uninstall and reinstall fixed it, but the other 2 installs no problem after inf update.
    • Took me over a hour to install Google earth
      • found out it was msiexec.exe, any installer that used that was just hanging, if i replaced the 64bit version with the 32bit version it worked. later after a restart or two the 64bit msiexec.exe works again and does not hang.
    • System shows Norton ant programs not responding on shutdown temperately ( never had that before on my system with same Norton version, anti process termination?)
    • Winamp AVIS visualizations earthier don't work or crash winamp.
    • One point Firefox 3.0.7 would randomly hang
      • any web page in any window would just continue in loading status as if the server was not responding.
      • would have to close Firefox (terminate process that was not ending) then restart Firefox and everything was working again.
      • Have had it do that after reinstall though

    I know a lot of the things i listed sound like software issues but with them being so random and combined with the cold boot restarts makes me think something flaky.

    The only things i have change in the bios is to set it to optimal setting, disable the full screen logo, change ram timing to 5-5-5-18 and 2.1v as the ram specs say. No errors after some memtest86+ testing ( never ran a complet test but it got up to test 7-8 before i decided the ram was ok)

    some short burn in testing and benchmarking come up fine(one crash of PerformanceTest).

    on a side note using 64bit of burnintest or PerformanceTest none of the 3d
    graphics run but there fine in 32 bit. Is that because the graphics card is 32bit? (installed the latest dirext x 9 drivers and 64 bit forceware).

    Does anyone know what might be causing some of theses issues more so the reboots it seems like something intermittently failing and causing different issues? I have seen many postings about GA-EP45-UD3R with OCZ2RPR10664GK but the seem to be working together, could that be causing the boot issues?

    My guess is its something that fails when only warming up from a cold start. Ambeant room temp is ~20c. after a 2-3 reboots the system boots up fine but i have to reset the ram voltage and timing since it thinks it caused the boot fail, however the settings work fine after everything been on for a few min. with speedfan everything idles in the 30's, Everest reports all core temps at high 30's on stock cooler. I just bought a non stock cooler even though the temps are decent but i don't want to put it in till i know the systems stable at stock settings.
    Last edited by cpbldr; 03-13-2009 at 04:57 PM.

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    Default Re: Debugging new build

    Well, I do see possible software issues and x64 XP is buggy, but if you normally use it then it may not totally be software. I can say for 2x2GB there is normally a few changes that need to be made other then what you have mentioned.

    Memtest, are you using the latest version? Just checking to be sure, if not here is the latest >>
    Memtest86+ - Advanced Memory Diagnostic Tool

    Not even a full test? That is for sure not a sign of any memory stability, a full 5-10 passes is recommended. And since some of your settings changes you mentioned do not include the normal 2x2GB ones I would suspect Ram instability may be partial if not all of the cause of your issues here

    I have not used this "Performance Test" you mention, so I am not sure what you are asking about it. Intel Burn Test will run in x64 mode if you run the x64 exe, or have the latest that includes both so you could choose the x64 exe to start. Latest is available here >>
    http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/late...y-tools-30530/

    But, you need to Fully test your ram and get it stable before you even think about passing Intel Burn Test, or you will only have failures.

    Intel Inf Drivers, are you using all the latest not what is on your CD? If not, that could be the issue with that. Latest Intel Inf Drivers are here >>
    http://downloadcenter.intel.com/conf...Name=&lang=eng

    And all the latest drivers for your board are here, Intel one as well I just always get mine direct from Intel >>>
    http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/M...ProductID=2921

    Sounds like you like Norton, so I will not leave my thoughts on that

    Please fill this out with the settings you are using now and I will advise back, I think you may just need a few adjustments settings wise and you may be fine >>>

    This is Just a template I use to ask people their settings, pay no attention to the numbers in it, replace with yours

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    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Auto or Fast
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:.0
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 
    
    
    Clock Chip Control 
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled] 
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: Mhz
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........:Set to 100
    
    C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]
    
    
    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: <<< 800
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: <<< 900
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: <<< 
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: <<< 
    
    
    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: [STANDARD]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: Disabled
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [Auto]
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: 
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]
    
    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................
    tRCD .........................................
    tRP'...........................................
    tRAS..........................................
    
    Set all Suggested below to highest Values first.  Then later you can lower, one at a time, testing as you go
    
    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD...........................................
    tWTR..........................................
    tWR............................................
    tRFC...........................................
    tRTP...........................................
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................:2
    
    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength ............................
    
    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................:6/7-10 333/B MCH - 8/9-12 400/D MCH
     tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto <<< Leave for all below as well
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
     tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
     tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto 
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto 
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto 
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto 
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto  ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto  ps
    
    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................:6/7-10 333/B MCH - 8/9-12 400/D MCH
     tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto <<< Leave for all below as well
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
     tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
     tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto 
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto 
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto 
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto 
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto  ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto  ps
    
    Motherboard Voltage Control
    Voltage Type.………... Manual
    CPU
    CPU Vcore….……….........................:Auto if not overclocking, if you are overclocking please do find and set your own voltages
    
    CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......: << If overclocking Please set to stock, Auto overvolts this way to much.  Optimal range for overclock would be 1.2-1.5 depending on Vcore, try to keep at least .1 under vcore.  Auto is fine if not overclocking
    
    CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: << If overclocking Please set to stock, Auto overvolts this way to much.  Optimal range for overclock would be 1.5-1.65.  Auto is fine if not overclocking
    
    CPU Referen.…………....0.755V*.......: <<< .64% Of Vtt (Termination above) Auto Will set this correctly 
    
    CPU Reference2………,,0.800V*.......:<<< .67% Of Vtt (Termination above) Auto Will set this correctly 
    
    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: << 
    MCH Reference….…….0.800V...........; <<< Leave
    MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........: <<< Leave
    ICH I/O……………….....1.500V............: <<< Leave
    ICH Core…………...……1.100V............: <<< Leave
    
    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: 
    DRAM Termination .…0.900V............: <<< Leave
    Channel A Reference 0.900V............: <<< Leave
    Channel B Reference 0.900V............: <<< Leave
    
    Advanced Settings
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled] Enabled if you use Vmware/Virtual PC
    
    Integrated Peripherals
    Legacy USB Storage Detect ..............[Disabled] *Note* Must be enabled to flash from USB
    Last edited by Lsdmeasap; 03-14-2009 at 12:31 PM.

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    Thanks for your response. I will let memtests86+ run overnight and see what I get.I think it may be failing on cold boots but don't know for sure because the system reboots 2-3 times before it can get to memtest86+, by then the systems heated p and whatever caused the reboots is not showing.

    I spent a day before the build making sure i have all the latest drivers and apps and burned a fresh memtest86+ boot CD 2.11, saw ozc has there own mod memtest86+ version but older. Always get the latest drivers for everything from the hardware manufactures not the board unless theirs significant differences besides versions.

    I have seen all though tweak settings posted around theses forms, is here some app that you guys use to dump the information when booted or do you just remember and fill them out manually?

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    Ok, well let us know how you get along, and post your settings if you would like some advice.

    Nope, sorry it all has to be manually written down then filled in and posted here. It would be nice though for sure! I think if you have a OLD Printer you can use the Prt Scn Button, but that has to be a 1985 printer

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    Default Re: Debugging new build

    Ok ran Memtest86+ over night, no errors whatsoever.


    I'm wondering a few things about memtest86+ though:
    Does it test the L1 and L2 cache first?
    Whys it show 4096k of L2 cache and 32k L1?
    CPU specs are L1-128KB+128KB, L2 Cache-2 x 4MB
    Does it ever tests 64 bit patterns? (x32 win seems more stable than x64 to me)
    Can something be failing under 64bit but not 32bit?
    Hows memtests86+ testing 4096M - 4864M when there is only 4096M?
    Last edited by cpbldr; 03-14-2009 at 09:42 PM.

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    Default Re: Debugging new build

    Quote Originally Posted by cpbldr View Post
    I'm wondering a few things about memtest86+ though:
    Does it test the L1 and L2 cache first?
    Whys it show 4096k of L2 cache and 32k L1?
    CPU specs are L1-128KB+128KB, L2 Cache-2 x 4MB
    L1/L2 caches are tested indirectly as part of the memory system as a whole. Because all Core 2 Quad CPUs are really 2 separate Core 2 Duo chips in a single package, and Memtest86+ runs on only one core, the L2 of 4096KB represents the active chip. Each core has only 32KB of L1 data cache.

    Does it ever tests 64 bit patterns? (x32 win seems more stable than x64 to me)
    Can something be failing under 64bit but not 32bit?
    Memory is physically accessed as 8 byte (64 bit) doublewords, the caching system and memory controller take care of the difference. Memtest86+ is written using 32 bit instructions for the sake of portability.

    Based on your test results it seems highly possible that your memory is OK but your CPU is defective.

    Hows memtests86+ testing 4096M - 4864M when there is only 4096M?
    BIOS memory mapping. The BIOS and IO are mapped into the region just below 4096MB, the physical memory in that location is mapped above that space.
    Last edited by Chucko; 03-14-2009 at 09:36 PM. Reason: frain bart

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    Here is my Mombo settings with the changes i made after optimal settings in bold:

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    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster .................: Auto
    CPU Clock Ratio .........................: 9x
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 2.40Ghz( 266x9)
    
    
    Clock Chip Control 
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control...................: [Disabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ................: 266Mhz
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .............: [Auto]
    C.I.A.2 .................................: [Disabled]
    
    
    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive..........................: 800mV
    PCI Express Clock Drive..................: 900Mv
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)......................: 0ps
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)......................: 0ps
    
    
    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance......................: [Turbo]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.)..........: [Auto]
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...................: [Auto]
    System Memory Multiplier ................: [Auto] 
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..................: 1066
    DRAM Timing Selectable ..................: [Manual]
    
    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time.........................: 5 [Auto]
    tRCD ....................................: 5 [Auto]
    tRP'.....................................: 5 [Auto]
    tRAS.....................................: 15 [18]
    
    
    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD.....................................: 4
    tWTR.....................................: 4
    tWR......................................: 6
    tRFC.....................................: 72
    tRTP.....................................: 4
    Command Rate (CMD) ......................: 0
    
    Channel A/B Timing
    Static tRead Value.......................: 4 [Auto]
     tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................: 0 [Auto]
     tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................: 0 [Auto]
     tRD Phase2 Adjustment ..................: 1 [Auto]
     tRD Phase3 Adjustment...................: 1 [Auto]
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)...................: 8 [Auto] 
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................: 8 [Auto] 
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................: 7 [Auto]
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)...................: 9 [Auto]
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control.................: Auto
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control.................: Auto
    
    Driving Strength Channel A/B.............: All Auto
    
    
    Motherboard Voltage Control
    CPU
    Load-Line Calibration....................: [Disabled]
    CPU Vcore................................: 1.26250V [Auto]
    CPU Termination..........................: 1.200V   [Auto]
    CPU PLL..................................: 1.500V   [Auto]
    CPU Reference............................: 0.760V   [Auto]
    
    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core.................................: 1.100V   [Auto]
    MCH Reference............................: 0.760V   [Auto]
    MCH/DRAM Ref.............................: 0.900V   [Auto]
    ICH I/O..................................: 1.500V   [Auto]
    ICH Core.................................: 1.100V   [Auto]
    
    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage.............................: 1.800V   [2.100V]
    DRAM Termination.........................: 0.900V   [Auto]
    Channel A Reference......................: 0.900V   [Auto]
    Channel B Reference......................: 0.900V   [Auto]

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    I will do some CPU testing once I get a chance to put on the new heatsink. With IntelBurnTest the CPU starts to climb past 60c witch makes me nervous.

    When i cold boot and it restarts a few times and then memtest86+ comes up it defaults back to 1.8v and memtests86+ shows 5-7-7-20 timings until i change the voltage back.
    considering i usually leave my computer on 24/7 cold boot may not be much of an issue but more of a concern. just have to remember to reset everythign back in bios after any long off time.

    Thanks for all the help.

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    OK after just having my computer off for a while then cold starting it restarted 3 time and then got into memtest86+ here is what i got:


    An then shortly after once its warmed up and i get into windows have stuff like this:


    So is it bad ram? or just need to warm up? will it more likely fail later?

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    Default Re: Debugging new build

    The Memtest failure patterns do suggest intermittent RAM chips. Do you have any other RAM you can test with? Can you isolate it to one DIMM or the other?

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