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    Default EP45-DS4P and Crucial Ballistix Tracer

    Hi, I'm in the process of rebuilding my system around the Gigabyte mobo and have a query regarding my RAM. I intend to use the RAM I had installed on my previous build (EVGA 680i SLI) - namely 2 x 1Gb Crucial Ballistix Tracer (BL12864AL804.16FD3, 4-4-4-12, 2.2v) as they were/are excellent modules.
    I was intending to compliment these modules by acquiring a second set- unfortunately no one seems to stock the 16FD3 (th good double sided Micron D9) modules anymore.All stock (at least locally) is single sided .8FE5 modules.
    My question is twofold- Is it advisable/possible to mix these two parts? If yes, would I still be better off in selling off the modules I have and obtain a 2x2Gb kit rather than filling all four DIMM's ?
    Overclocking (especially with the Q9400) is not a prime requirement in either case- probably a mild oc of cpu to obtain a 1:1 with the RAM. (I don't think the 3-3-3-10 timings at 850 would be attainable with the 8FE5's in any case).
    Many thanks in advance for any input you can give.
    EP45-DS4P...Q9400 (3.33GHz, 417x8)Leadtek GTX280...Corsair TX750W...2x2Gb Crucial Ballistix Tracer DDR2-800 4-4-4-12(AA80A) (at DDR2-1000, 5-5-5-15, 2.0v)...1 x 160Gb Seagate 7200.10, 1 x 640Gb WD AAKS...Sunbeamtech Core-Contact Freezer (55C -delta 30 over ambient-Prime95 small FFT 2hrs)...LiteOn LH-20A3P....Lian Li P80B

    The box that would not die: Generic mid-tower made by someone you thought might make kitchen equipment, Intel 865PE mobo, Intel P4 Northwood 3.2 cpu, stock heatsink, Enermax 585w psu, 2x1Gb A-Data DDR-400, 1 x WD 160Gb IDE HDD, 1 x Seagate 120Gb IDE HDD, 7900GS gpu, LiteOn Multi drive, XP Home Ed.

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    Default Re: EP45-DS4P and Crucial Ballistix Tracer

    I would not advise it, but you may be able to run both at 2.0V, or possibly 2.05-2.1

    You may be able to just RMA those for a new 2.0V set, state incompatibility or stability issues concerning voltages, and then just buy another 2x1 set and you would have 4GB

    I just did a review on the 2.0V sets with your same board, see my signature for the link if you would like to check it out, and they seemed fine at 2.05-2.1+ but of course that was not for 24/7 usage though so I would not be sure how they would act. But really though, it would not be advised even though they may work together at any voltage, they use different Chips so you may always have stability issues with them.

    4x1 or 2x2 is up to you really and how you want to run things. I personally find 4x1 allows for higher memory and CPU Overclocks. 2x2 is easier on the system but does not allow higher memory overclocks and does limit the FSB overclock after a certain point due to the memory speed limits of 2x2.

    If money is no issue, and you want high clocks but 4GB I would advise selling what you have and buying a new set of 4GB 2.0V sticks (4x1-2x1GBx2)

    333-10.... I could not run with the new kits, it would only work up to 780Mhz I think, dont remember for sure though as those were not my review intentions. And I could be thinking of the 2x2 kits which would of course not tighten up as easily as 2x1 or 4x1.

    I do know I could run 444-12 or 444-10 up to 900-950 depending on voltages and other timings.

    Since you are not planing a high overclock (Sorry I reply as I read, bad habit) you might as well just get you a set of the new 2x2GB sticks, they would be great for your setup and easy on your system, and wallet

    If you have anymore questions about the new kits feel free to ask away and I will do my best to fill you in

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    Many thanks for the quick reply and the input. I checked out your review- most impressive- especially so in light of the fact that it's a labour of love (as it were) , and not a sponsored site review.
    Well, 2 x 2gb kit looks like what's required - I'll forgo the ultimate oc experience (4 x 1Gb) in a trade for system stability.
    Do you have any recommendations regarding memory and this mobo ? A quick look around the etailers here (New Zealand) has yielded :
    Corsair -6400C4DHX and -8500C5D (-9136C5D is almost double the price of these-as example)
    G.Skill -6400, -8000 CL4 (PK, Pi and Pi-Black)
    Crucial Ballistix -6400 CL4

    All roughly the same (moderate) price and availability.
    Also available, but 1. I've never used their products, and 2. Unsure of compatibility with the board:
    AData, Patriot, OCZ (ReaperX probably a tight fit height-wise with my cooler), Kingston all in low-latency 6400 or CL5 -1066.
    Any suggestions greatfully acknowledged.
    Many thanks.
    EP45-DS4P...Q9400 (3.33GHz, 417x8)Leadtek GTX280...Corsair TX750W...2x2Gb Crucial Ballistix Tracer DDR2-800 4-4-4-12(AA80A) (at DDR2-1000, 5-5-5-15, 2.0v)...1 x 160Gb Seagate 7200.10, 1 x 640Gb WD AAKS...Sunbeamtech Core-Contact Freezer (55C -delta 30 over ambient-Prime95 small FFT 2hrs)...LiteOn LH-20A3P....Lian Li P80B

    The box that would not die: Generic mid-tower made by someone you thought might make kitchen equipment, Intel 865PE mobo, Intel P4 Northwood 3.2 cpu, stock heatsink, Enermax 585w psu, 2x1Gb A-Data DDR-400, 1 x WD 160Gb IDE HDD, 1 x Seagate 120Gb IDE HDD, 7900GS gpu, LiteOn Multi drive, XP Home Ed.

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    Default Re: EP45-DS4P and Crucial Ballistix Tracer

    Well.. It is not a professional review that is for sure since it is my first.

    But I did contact Crucial personally and request the samples for testing of compatibility with a few Gigabyte boards, so I guess it is kinda sponsored in the aspect of things that they sent them to me. But not as a set sent for "review" like you would see at a normal review site. I was not asked to Review them in any way, I took that initiative on my own

    Hmm, I would suggest The G.Skills (PI's) or Crucials they both will work well, as would Mushkins if you can find those. Patriots also work fine, as do kingston (These normally do not overclock mush at all, keep that in mind if you look into these... Kingstons that is)

    Adata too (But I Think these are cheaper then I would advise to buy)

    Corsair and OCZ work as well, but they have so many models I would not be sure which to advise on

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    Default Re: EP45-DS4P and Crucial Ballistix Tracer

    Many thanks. I think I'll follow your advice- both the Ballistix (DDR2-800) and the G.Skill Pi are readily available and wallet friendly. Unfortunately the Mushkin kits (at least DDR2) don't seem to be sold here anymore. Hopefully the build goes as planned.
    I will definitely be keeping an eye on the forum here in future- You are offering an invaluble service to a very significant portion of the mainstream and enthusiast community- kudos to you Lsdmeasap.
    EP45-DS4P...Q9400 (3.33GHz, 417x8)Leadtek GTX280...Corsair TX750W...2x2Gb Crucial Ballistix Tracer DDR2-800 4-4-4-12(AA80A) (at DDR2-1000, 5-5-5-15, 2.0v)...1 x 160Gb Seagate 7200.10, 1 x 640Gb WD AAKS...Sunbeamtech Core-Contact Freezer (55C -delta 30 over ambient-Prime95 small FFT 2hrs)...LiteOn LH-20A3P....Lian Li P80B

    The box that would not die: Generic mid-tower made by someone you thought might make kitchen equipment, Intel 865PE mobo, Intel P4 Northwood 3.2 cpu, stock heatsink, Enermax 585w psu, 2x1Gb A-Data DDR-400, 1 x WD 160Gb IDE HDD, 1 x Seagate 120Gb IDE HDD, 7900GS gpu, LiteOn Multi drive, XP Home Ed.

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    Default Re: EP45-DS4P and Crucial Ballistix Tracer

    Thanks for the kind words!

    Let us know how your build goes, and of course if you have any issues we are here to help!

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    After a week and a half of gradually raising the FSB (with its attendant OCCT/Prime95 testing), followed by oc'ing the RAM incrementally the system is nicely stable. Maybe of note to anyone using the EP45-DS4P, using the Sunbeamtech CCF it is not possible to mount it in it's most effective attitude ( fan taking air from over the NB heatsink and exiting towards the top of the case) as the latching system and the MOSFET heatsink behind the I/O are way to close to each other. Mounting the CCF in the more common position (fan facing towards the DIMM slots, air exiting through the rear of the case) is a good fit but because of the way the quad cores are arranged within the cpu die and the contact area of the exposed heatpipes in the cooler the temps for cores 1 and 3 are 4 degrees C higher than for cores 0 and 2 - common for HDT coolers. Adapting a bolt-through kit (as found on the TRUE for example) would allow for the correct orientation as the CCF uses an AMD style adapter/latch system. Cheers once again and I'm off to see how much I can squeeze out of these Crucial's.
    EP45-DS4P...Q9400 (3.33GHz, 417x8)Leadtek GTX280...Corsair TX750W...2x2Gb Crucial Ballistix Tracer DDR2-800 4-4-4-12(AA80A) (at DDR2-1000, 5-5-5-15, 2.0v)...1 x 160Gb Seagate 7200.10, 1 x 640Gb WD AAKS...Sunbeamtech Core-Contact Freezer (55C -delta 30 over ambient-Prime95 small FFT 2hrs)...LiteOn LH-20A3P....Lian Li P80B

    The box that would not die: Generic mid-tower made by someone you thought might make kitchen equipment, Intel 865PE mobo, Intel P4 Northwood 3.2 cpu, stock heatsink, Enermax 585w psu, 2x1Gb A-Data DDR-400, 1 x WD 160Gb IDE HDD, 1 x Seagate 120Gb IDE HDD, 7900GS gpu, LiteOn Multi drive, XP Home Ed.

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