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    Default P45 DS3L freezing, cant reach BIOS

    Hello,
    I am a first time poster from Chile. I'd like to get some help as almost every search I make about gigabyte MB leads here.

    I ordered several parts from the US which were brought to me by a friend. The most relevant-

    gigabyte p45 ds3l
    E8500 core duo
    9800GT vid card
    Mushkin 996623 Ascent Redline 4GB 2x2GB PC2-8000 DDR2-1000 CAS 5 2.0-2.1V 5-5-5-12 Timings Memory (Red)

    (I have to check if this is the memory, I just moved so I dont have internet at home yet and Im writing from work now- its definitely 2x2gb mushkin redline )

    I used to be very tech savvy but this is the first build i make in more than 5 years. At first i used my old thermaltake 430w PSU and the computer would turn on for 1sec (all fans working), then immediately turn off for one second, then continue this cycle, with no beeps.

    So I bought a new thermaltake 500w, and now I get to see the vid card bios message, followed by the gigabyte splash screen, but when i try to enter the bios i get a solid color, either blue or green.

    All the parts I got were in good condition, but I noticed the top right corner of the MB is a little bent.

    So what do you all think?
    do I have a memory problem, a MB problem, or am I not connecting things properly? I have the memory in same-color slots, but I dont really understand how dual channel works

    A techy friend is coming over later today with another memory stick to see if we can get in the bios, so I'll get back online once I have news with that.

    Thanks for any help!

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    Default Re: P45 DS3L freezing, cant reach BIOS

    Try to boot with a minimal setup:
    1) motherboard out of the cpu case and resting on a cardboard box.
    2) use only one memory stick, located in the slot closest to the cpu.
    3) do NOT connect hard drive, mouse or any other hardware.
    4) do connect the keyboard.
    5) verify that the 24 pin psu connector and the ATX-12v (4-pin or 8-pin) connector are firmly seated in the motherboard slots.

    See if you can now boot and enter the bios.
    Load OPTIMIZED defaults and then SAVE and Exit using F10.
    Re-enter the bios and change the DRAM VOLTAGE to 2.0 volts.
    Save and exit again, using F10.
    When the boot screen appears, power off your computer. Unplug the power cord to the PSU (power supply). Then you can add the 2nd memory stick and see if everything is OK.

    NOTE: Never add or remove memory with the power cord still plugged in. I always unplug the power cord before I add or remove components from the motherboard.

    If this does not work, try swapping the first memory stick and use the second stick. If it still does not work, try using a single ddr2 memory stick that has a lower speed rating.

    My Mushkin memory has worked flawlessly in my setup.
    Let us know how you are doing.
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    Default Re: P45 DS3L freezing, cant reach BIOS

    hey profJim, thanks for the input

    the advice you gave is basically what my tech friend did, except we did it with the MB still mounted in the case.

    we were able to reach the bios a couple times using one stick, then proceeded to load optimized settings, then to up the ram voltage, but upon adding the 2nd stick we went back to getting colored screens.

    so then we'd clear the CMOS and go back to booting with one stick of ram, but now we're getting colored screens using our "safe" configuration

    so we decide to have something to eat, come back later, and then we do get in. decide to not change anything and repeat, but then we dont get in. so then we decide to test the memory on another PC and it works fine. we came to the conclusion that the bent corner of the MOBO has damaged the interior circuitry and that is why it is completely unstable

    since i ordered it through friends in the states RMA is not an option, at this point i guess my only question is if someone thinks this is repairable, and if anybody has a good recommendation of a chipset/brand that works well with mushkin redline xp2-8000 memory!

    thanks again

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    Default Re: P45 DS3L freezing, cant reach BIOS

    ok, so after searching to see what model motherboards I can get here in Chile, my best options are all p45 based offerings from Asus, MSI, and Gigabyte. I'm most inclined to the Gigabyte model (same as before, ep45-ds3l), but I want to be sure I'll be able to get it to work with my memory. On the mushkin forums all the only confirmed compatibility reports I've found for the 996623 memory is with p45 chipsets. but my tech friend says that I should look at a Nvidia N750/N710 based mother board, which are a lot more expensive here and Im not interested in SLI

    any advice? should I give the ep45 ds3l another (non-banged up) shot?

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    Default Re: P45 DS3L freezing, cant reach BIOS

    diego,
    You might be able to have your current mobo repaired or your mobo might work o.k. if you use the "B" memory slots (#2 & #4). If you want to remain with Gigabyte, I suggest going with a UD3* EP45 for the same price or slightly more. The main differences with the lower priced boards is in the number of USB and SATA headers, along with additional mobo support for IEEE 1394, RAID, and single vs. dual LAN connections. The UD3P & UD3R offer the best bang for your buck where you won't have to buy pci cards to add these features later.

    Check out Gigabyte P45 @ Newegg and read the user reviews to see what buyers have said, keeping in mind that 10 - 30% of the buyers don't really know what they're talking about.

    Xtreme Systems Gigabyte UD3 P45 Series has an excellent forum that discusses the UD3 series in detail.

    Before I built my current setup, I did extensive research on mobo/memory compatibility. Mushkin memory had higher overall ratings from users than other top tier brands. I found many users who had excellent results with Mushkin XP2 or HP2 memory on their UD3* mobos. Your Redlines should work well with any Gigabyte P45 setup.

    I think it was on the G.Skill website where they stated that one of their 2x2GB setups would not work with Nvidia 650/680 mobos. My Mushkin memory worked fine with my GA-N650SLI-DS4. The Nvidia N750/N710 series is probably overkill for your needs. Asus P45 mobos have had excellent reviews, but I found many more complaints about memory issues with many of their boards.

    I have a GA-P35-DS3L as a backup machine. It is a no frills, inexpensive setup that was able to overclock my E2140 from 1600MHz to 3200MHz for a 100% o/c. To play it safe, I've crippled it to run a milder 75% o/c for everyday use (2800MHz).

    Good luck with your new setup. Let us know how things work out for you.

    Jim
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    Default Re: P45 DS3L freezing, cant reach BIOS

    Hey Prof,
    thanks again for taking the time to write.

    I think the only way of getting my current MOBO to work is with "surgery", because i already tried using all of the different mem bank combinations (x x o o, x o x o, o x o x, etc etc). So someone with soldering skills and an idea of how the thing works would have to look at it, and here in Chile I dont think Im going to find that person.

    As for my replacement board, I'm still a little confused. I dont consider the UD3 an option here, in Chile electronics are considerably more expensive and in this case the UD3 is just under 250 bucks, while the DS3L is under 130- basically double, its an especially big difference since I just had to throw away the DS3L i bought in the US for 90 bucks.

    Over at the Mushkin forums they are telling me any P45 board will work, but I want to know which will be the most stable, hassle free install as I'm no longer in touch with the finer points of ram timings, FSB clocks and multipliers. So I think I'm going to go with the DS3L as I've had bad experiences with Asus, but I'm still on the fence because the one person who made a recommendation on the mushkin forum is telling me that the Asus P5Q handles the memory better.

    with my luck I'll probably get to the store and be forced to buy whatever they have in stock! anyways I appreciate the help and will let you know how it works out.

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    Default Re: P45 DS3L freezing, cant reach BIOS

    diego,

    Based on U.S. prices, the UD3R & UD3P boards were about 25 - 33 % more expensive than the DS3L. I don't think that a 100% price increase is justified unless you absolutely need the added features. My P35-DS3L is a great mobo and has been completely stable with its 75% overclock. Even if your current board can be repaired, there's no guarantee that it will remain stable.

    One glowing recommendation is good, but many recommendations from users is far better. Check out the official Asus forum at their website, as well as several of the better overclocking forums for memory issues with the Asus P45 mobos in your price range. I've seen very few issues with Mushkin XP2 memory. Your Redline memory is also highly rated and shouldn't be a problem with any quality mobo.

    I'd search TweakTown and other internet forums for user feedback on your DS3L mobo and memory issues. A google search on:
    ep35-ds3l mushkin
    turned up 16,400 hits. That should keep you off the streets and out of trouble for a while.

    Good luck with your mobo quest and let us know how you make out.

    Jim

    ps: I've seen quite a few EP35-DS3L threads here at TweakTown. The resident Gigabyte guru (LSDMEASAP) has assisted many users with suggested bios overclock tweaks. I bought my Mushkin memory based on his recommendations to others and their positive feedback.
    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
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    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
    Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
    Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot) ~~ WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ ZM-MFC2 fan controller
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    Default Re: P45 DS3L freezing, cant reach BIOS

    Hi again
    i just snuck out of work and picked up a gigabyte ep45-UD3R, it was *only* 165USD here.

    i ended up shying away from the ASUS because I saw similar posts as the ones here regarding mem compatibility, and build quality in general. that, and I'd already had some unstable asus boards (with no visible damage like the DS3L I just got!)

    So I'll be putting it together later tonight, I intend to print out some bios settings to see if that helps when setting up.

    wish me luck!

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