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    Default Looking for Help: GA-EP45-UD3P

    Hello all,

    I'm a rookie here, so please bear with me...(system specs in signature)

    I've spent a good chunk of this past weekend reviewing threads that describe many similar, but not exactly the same issue I'm having so here goes.

    I just put together my first build and I'm having trouble with the boot sequence. I'm hoping this is a Bios settings issue and not a hardware problem; it was difficult enough to convince the wife that I could build it in the first place, if she sees me tearing the whole thing down I'm doomed!

    I am able to boot into the desktop, but I have to use an odd technique to get it working. Power on, allow to run for ~ 10 seconds and the GTX 260 exhaust fan is screaming, press and release reset button and let it go. I can hear windows jingle but no video. Press reset again and this time hold down until GTX 260 exhaust fan slows down. At this point the Gigabyte screen pops up and I can either enter bios or let windows load. This process will work with 1 or 2 ram sticks, as long as one is not in slot one. Any time a ram stick is in slot 1, the system goes into a continuous boot loop.

    I have tried a number of the settings suggested in other threads, but I can't get a normal boot sequence. I've disabled the legacy usb drive storage as well. I reset to optimized defaults and hopefully someone can help me get the settings straightened out.

    Code:
    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Auto
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 9
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:.0
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 3.00GHz (333*9)
    
    
    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 333
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........: 100
    
    C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]
    
    
    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: 800
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: 900
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: 0
    
    
    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: [Turbo]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: Disabled
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: 333
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: 2.66B
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 1066 1066
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Auto]
    
    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................ 5
    tRCD ......................................... 5
    tRP'........................................... 5
    tRAS.......................................... 15
    
    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD...........................................  4 [Auto]
    tWTR..........................................  4 [Auto]
    tWR............................................  13 [Auto]
    tRFC...........................................  68 [Auto]
    tRTP...........................................  4 [Auto]
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................: 0 [Auto] 
    
    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength ............................
    
    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................: 6 [Auto] 
     tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................: 0[Auto]
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................: 0 [Auto]
     tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:  0 [Auto]
     tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:  0 [Auto]
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:  8 [Auto]
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:  8 [Auto]
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:  7 [Auto]
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:  9 [Auto]
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............: [Auto]
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............: [Auto]
    DDR Write Training.........................:[Auto]
    
    Channel A Driving Settings
    Driving Strength Profile...................: [Auto]
    
    Data Driving Pull-up Level..............: [Auto]
    Cmd Driving Pull-up Level...............: [Auto]
    Ctrl Driving Pull-up Level................: [Auto]
    Clk Driving Pull-up Level.................: [Auto]
    
    Data Driving Pull-down Level..............: [Auto]
    Cmd Driving Pull-down Level...............: [Auto]
    Ctrl Driving Pull-down Level................: [Auto]
    Clk Driving Pull-down Level.................: [Auto]
    
    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................:  6 [Auto] 
     tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:  0 [Auto]
     tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:  0 [Auto]
     tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................: 0 [Auto]
     tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:  0 [Auto]
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:  8 [Auto]
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:  8 [Auto]
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:  7 [Auto]
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:  9 [Auto]
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............: [Auto]
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............: [Auto]
    DDR Write Training.........................: [Auto]
    
    Channel B Driving Settings
    Driving Strength Profile...................: [Auto]
    
    Data Driving Pull-up Level..............: [Auto]
    Cmd Driving Pull-up Level...............: [Auto]
    Ctrl Driving Pull-up Level................: [Auto]
    Clk Driving Pull-up Level.................: [Auto]
    
    Data Driving Pull-down Level..............: [Auto]
     Cmd Driving Pull-down Level...............: [Auto]
     Ctrl Driving Pull-down Level................: [Auto]
     Clk Driving Pull-down Level.................: [Auto]
    
    Motherboard Voltage Control
    Voltage Type.………... Normal - Current
    CPU
    Load-Line Calibration.....................: Disabled
    CPU Vcore….……….......1.2500V ......: Auto 
    CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......: Auto
    CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: Auto
    CPU Referen.…………....0.760V*.......: Auto
    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: Auto
    MCH Reference….…….0.760V...........: Auto
    MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........: Auto
    ICH I/O……………….....1.500V............: Auto
    ICH Core…………...……1.100V............: Auto
    
    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: [Auto]  <-- Ram sticker says 2.0v-2.1v
    DRAM Termination .…0.900V............: [Auto]
    Channel A Reference 0.900V............: [Auto]
    Channel B Reference 0.900V............: [Auto]
    
    Advanced Settings
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Enabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Enabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: [Enabled]
    
    Integrated Peripherals
    Legacy USB Storage Detect .............. [Disabled]
    Well I really appreciate any help people can offer. I have tried changing a number of settings, but nothing has really helped. I went back to the optimized defaults in the vain hope someone can look at the setup as a whole and suggest appropriate changes.

    Cheers
    My Setup

    MB: GA-EP45-UD3P rev 1.1
    BIOS: F7, 1/13/2009
    CPU: Intel E8400 w/ AC Freezer Pro 7
    MEM: G Skill DDR2 1066 PC2-8500 2Gbx2
    GPU: EVGA Gtx 260 Core 216
    PS: Corsair TX 650
    HD: Seagate 500gb
    Case: CM 690
    OS: XP pro SP3

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    Default Re: Looking for Help: GA-EP45-UD3P

    Im sure there is a simple explanation to what is causing your problems. I cant say for sure but its possible its not something that can be fixed with a BIOS Settings. I had similar experience at christmas with my build took forever to convince the wife and then it was all up to ****. Anyway all sorted now. So Do you have an older Video Card to try to boot with? Posible try to put the Video card in a different slot. I have had a 8800GT do very similar things in the past and it turned out to be a dodgy memory module on the card itsself. Your wife cant blame you if its hardware problems, Im sure she would understand. You have pretty much already tried the a few things that I might have suggested. Now I dont want you to get mad or anything but have you plugged in the Video card power connector. Im sure you have as probably the fan wouldnt be spinning or anything and it may make a terrible bad noise otherwise. A side from starting to swap out the Video card with a different one or maybe try some different ram?? Your PSU should have enough power to handle the job, Is the PSU new? Do you have another one to try also? I have had 2 bad PSU's in my last build. Completely unlucky I know. If I think of anything else to try Ill post back.
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    NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT 512MB
    1 X Seagate 1TB 7200.12 + Seagate 750GB 7211.11
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    Default Re: Looking for Help: GA-EP45-UD3P

    Is your memory rated @ 5-5-5-15?
    There are two G.Skill kits that have looser memory ratings.

    You need to run MemTest86+ (v2.11) to verify that both memory sticks are good to go.

    Set your dram voltage to 2.0 (or up to 2.1 if necessary)
    Set MCH core to 1.2
    Manually set the CPU Vcore to the standard value for your cpu
    Change Performance Enhance to Standard
    Set Static tRead Value to 7 for both channels
    Set CPU Enhanced Halt (C1e) to Disabled
    Set CPU EIST to Disabled

    Your bios template shows a memory multiplier of 2.66, but this would result in a memory speed of 888, not 1066. If the above settings don't help, set the memory multiplier to 2.40B for an 800MHz memory speed.

    You can also try to use memory slots 2 & 4 instead of 1 & 3.
    Once your system is booting properly and is stable, there are additional settings that will improve system performance.
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    Default Re: Looking for Help: GA-EP45-UD3P

    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    Is your memory rated @ 5-5-5-15?
    There are two G.Skill kits that have looser memory ratings.

    You need to run MemTest86+ (v2.11) to verify that both memory sticks are good to go.

    Set your dram voltage to 2.0 (or up to 2.1 if necessary)
    Set MCH core to 1.2
    Manually set the CPU Vcore to the standard value for your cpu
    Change Performance Enhance to Standard
    Set Static tRead Value to 7 for both channels
    Set CPU Enhanced Halt (C1e) to Disabled
    Set CPU EIST to Disabled

    Your bios template shows a memory multiplier of 2.66, but this would result in a memory speed of 888, not 1066. If the above settings don't help, set the memory multiplier to 2.40B for an 800MHz memory speed.

    You can also try to use memory slots 2 & 4 instead of 1 & 3.
    Once your system is booting properly and is stable, there are additional settings that will improve system performance.
    Thanks for the quick replies.

    Yes the memory stickers say 5-5-5-15.

    Both memory sticks have passed 2 passes of MemTest in slots 2,3,4 with 0 errors. I can't get into bios if a stick is in slot 1. The gigabyte screen loads, but keyboard commands don't work and it never goes beyond that and gets stuck in a reboot loop.

    I made the suggested changes, but nothing different. F10 to exit Bios, system restarts, GPU starts screaming, I hear the windows startup music but nothing on screen, hit reset, wait ~10 secs, hold reset down until GPU exhaust slows down and system loads. Perhaps this is a graphics card issue??
    Last edited by Wort_Chiller; 03-16-2009 at 06:02 PM. Reason: added pic
    My Setup

    MB: GA-EP45-UD3P rev 1.1
    BIOS: F7, 1/13/2009
    CPU: Intel E8400 w/ AC Freezer Pro 7
    MEM: G Skill DDR2 1066 PC2-8500 2Gbx2
    GPU: EVGA Gtx 260 Core 216
    PS: Corsair TX 650
    HD: Seagate 500gb
    Case: CM 690
    OS: XP pro SP3

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    Default Re: Looking for Help: GA-EP45-UD3P

    I'm troubled by your problems with the 1st memory slot.

    Try booting with only 1 memory stick in slot 1. If this still does not work use the single memory stick in slot 2.

    Manually set the primary memory timings to 5-5-5-15 and set the dram voltage to 2.1 volts. If the problems persist, dumb down the memory to 800MHz by using the 2.40B memory strap. If this does not help, borrow a different set of memory sticks, even if they are only 800MHz.

    Without knowing the specs for your hard drive, I can't tell if there might be a problem with the HDD bios settings.

    It's probably a long shot, but there might be a configuration or compatibility issue with your video card.

    If you are using a USB keyboard/mouse, you need to enable USB keyboard/USB mouse detection in the bios.

    **edit ** My wide screen monitor has a long delay interval between screen refreshes during the pre-windows boot sequence. I briefly press the CONTROl key (any other key will work) if I want to shorten this delay. This only happens when using a DVI cable from my 7600GT video card. If I use a standard VGA d-sub, there is no screen delay.
    Last edited by profJim; 03-16-2009 at 07:18 PM. Reason: additional info
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    Default Re: Looking for Help: GA-EP45-UD3P

    I'll try booting with only 1 stick in slot one with both sticks again, but I tried it before and always get into a continuous reboot loop. I can boot with 1 stick (either one) in any other slot.

    I set the memory timings to 5-5-5-15 and dram volt to 2.1, not sure why it doesn't show up that way in CPU-Z or MemSet. I will also try changing the to 2.4b to see if that helps.

    Hard Drive

    Thanks!
    My Setup

    MB: GA-EP45-UD3P rev 1.1
    BIOS: F7, 1/13/2009
    CPU: Intel E8400 w/ AC Freezer Pro 7
    MEM: G Skill DDR2 1066 PC2-8500 2Gbx2
    GPU: EVGA Gtx 260 Core 216
    PS: Corsair TX 650
    HD: Seagate 500gb
    Case: CM 690
    OS: XP pro SP3

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    Default Re: Looking for Help: GA-EP45-UD3P

    It could be the gx.but the slot one thing isnt good.
    the epp for the memory ,have you ever loaded all the settings in the bios for that at 533/1066?.
    Try loading up the optimum defaults again and run it for a little at those speeds.Did the sticks work in slots 1+3 when you got the board first?
    When its been running awhile,even if you have to use slots 2+4 .then enter the epp profile settings for 533 mhz mem directly in bios.
    Turbo setting should be v close to what the secondary settings for your epp are,but programs like sandra from sisoft ,and pcwizard and everest will give you more settings to enter in the secondary memory timings from the epp.
    Absolutely do load and run the optimum defaults for awhile tho especially if you change the bios version.
    (nb),just thinking of things to try..
    My gskill epp is at lower speed than yours but i did have to enter the timings manually( the main ones) 4-4-4-12 otherwise the pc just booted on standard jedec 400mhz settings.
    No idea where the 5-7-7-20 thing comes from but if u enter 5-5-5-15 i dont see how that would come up as long as you save tthe bios entries.
    Pl/static read of 6 looks v low as well. (mine works ok at 10 on B multiplier).
    Get it back to as close to as new as you can and work from there?..id suggest pulling the mbrd out of the case ,but that wouldnt "look good"
    Last edited by kick; 03-17-2009 at 06:30 AM.
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    Default Re: Looking for Help: GA-EP45-UD3P

    Thanks for the suggestions. I was able to test the video card in another computer and it works fine. I also tested the ram sticks again and they all do fine in slots 2,3,4. Still no luck in slot 1 so I'm thinking the mobo is the problem. I'm going to RMA and I'll post again to fine tune a fully functional system in the future!

    Thanks again.
    My Setup

    MB: GA-EP45-UD3P rev 1.1
    BIOS: F7, 1/13/2009
    CPU: Intel E8400 w/ AC Freezer Pro 7
    MEM: G Skill DDR2 1066 PC2-8500 2Gbx2
    GPU: EVGA Gtx 260 Core 216
    PS: Corsair TX 650
    HD: Seagate 500gb
    Case: CM 690
    OS: XP pro SP3

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