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    Default Re: Mistake in EX58 Bios re: QPI speed?

    Hey, thanks for looking at it. Yes I have my pci-e set at 100 the 180 is my stable bclk.

    Ok I'll try your suggestions, be back in a bit :)

    I requested my RMA, but haven't shipped the board yet. I know the board is fine, but I was so frustrated that I couldn't get it to work at speeds that it should work at that I was going to try another brand.

    Hopefully won't have to :)

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    Default Re: Mistake in EX58 Bios re: QPI speed?

    Ahh, ok well nice to see you have not shipped it out yet. Sounds like all just settings to me really.

    I did not see anything way off that you had set, but just keep in mind your raising voltages too much may have not been helping. Sure you may need one or two higher then others, but you have to find which it is and not all of them at once of course

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    No luck with your suggested settings either =/

    Just so you know, I have had that ram running stable and passing memtest @ 1600mhz 7-7-7-20 and at 1862mhz 9-9-9-24.

    I didn't get a chance to play around too much with the timings last night trying your settings, so I still need to test it back with command rate 2 and at a higher uncore freq. The rest of the timings seem like they should be fine though don't you think?

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    Default Re: Mistake in EX58 Bios re: QPI speed?

    Updated BIOS to 7A, tried all settings, tried uncore x16 x17, tried memory at x6 with uncore at x12 x13 x14. Tried command rate 1 and 2, tried all the timings listed on the SPD chart from cpu-z.

    Still can not get a single hz over 180 bclk.

    ARRRRRGGHHH =(

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    Default Re: Mistake in EX58 Bios re: QPI speed?

    What voltages are you trying? For Vcore, QPI/Vtt, IOH, ICH, Dram? Sounds like we are still missing something?

    Can you please post me your full settings again that fail using the 8 ram multi and 180+ Blck? Somethings gotta give and we will find it, dont give up!

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    Default Re: Mistake in EX58 Bios re: QPI speed?

    Ok here are my stable settings:

    Code:
    Advanced CPU Features:
    CPU Clock Ratio ................................ [20x]
    Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech .................. [Enabled]
    CPU Cores Enabled ............................ [All]
    CPU Multi Threading .......................... [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ................... [Disabled]
    C3/C6/C7 State Support .................... [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor ......................... [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function ............................ [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology ................... [Enabled]
    Bi-Directional PROCHOT ..................... [Enabled]
    
    
    Uncore & QPI Features:
    QPI Link Speed .............................. x36
    Uncore Frequency ..........................x17
    Isonchronous Frequency ..................[Enabled]
    
    
    Standard Clock Control:
    Base Clock (BCLK) Control ................ [Enabled]
    BCLK Frequency (MHz) .....................[180]
    PCI Express Frequency (MHz) ........... [100]
    C.I.A.2 [Disabled]
    
    Advanced Clock Control:
    CPU Clock Drive ..............................[800mV]
    PCI Express Clock Drive ................... [900mV]
    CPU Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
    IOH Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
    
    
    Advanced DRAM Features:
    Performance Enhance ...................... [Standard]
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD) ........ [8x]
    DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) .......... [Quick]
    
    Channel A + B + C
    
    Channel A Timing Settings:
    ##Channel A Standard Timing Control##
    CAS Latency Time ......................7
    tRCD .......................................7
    tRP .........................................7
    tRAS .......................................24
    
    ##Channel A Advanced Timing Control##
    tRC ........................................32
    tRRD .......................................AUTO
    tWTR ......................................AUTO
    tWR ........................................AUTO
    tWTP .......................................AUTO
    tWL ........................................AUTO
    tRFC .......................................88 (default is 60 and 60 works)
    tRTP .......................................AUTO
    tFAW ......................................AUTO
    Command Rate (CMD) ................1T
    
    ##Channel A Misc Timing Control##
    Round Trip Latency ...................AUTO
    
    
    
    Advanced Voltage Control:
    
    CPU
    Load Line Calibration ................. [Disabled]
    CPU Vcore ...............................1.375
    QPI/VTT Voltage 1.150v ............1.34
    CPU PLL 1.800v .......................1.88
    
    MCH/ICH
    PCIE 1.500v ...........................1.5
    QPI PLL 1.100v .......................1.2
    IOH Core 1.100v .....................1.2
    ICH I/O 1.500v .......................1.5
    ICH Core 1.1v ........................1.2
    
    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage 1.500v ..............1.68
    DRAM Termination 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-A Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-B Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-C Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-A Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-B Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-C Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Pushing bclk up to 190 causes no post with either error 6B (on a warm boot) or 6F (on a reset). I have tried with 6x mem 12x 13x 14x uncore and with 8x mem 16x 17x uncore. I have tried looser timings, but if I run bclk at 133 and memory at 12x (1600mhz) I have used very tight timings and been fine. I've run the memory at 1866 with tight timings.

    I am firmly convinced that the 6F bios error message is tied to memory. I have found some cached discussions of it on XS and it seems to be the general consent.

    I tried pushing QPI/VTT up to 1.54 and pushing QPI PLL up to 1.4 just to see if it made a difference, which it did not.

    Supposedly max safe QPI is 1.66 but I can't see why I'd need that much when people are getting much higher OCs with less voltage.

    My goal here is either 191x20 or 211x19. I'd like to enable turbo on those and would like HT, so I'm willing to accept that those may not be my final specs, but I can't get a higher blck even with turbo + ht both disabled.

    Reo seems to have the same proc, board, and memory as me, but I can't seem to get him to tell me his setup :)

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    Default Re: Mistake in EX58 Bios re: QPI speed?

    First off, I would try F7c since it is the latest. But you should be fine with one of the later F6 beta's

    What BSOD error code do you see? If it goes by too fast please disable automatic restart on BSOD by going into system, then advanced system tab, then startup and recovery button and at the bottom uncheck "Automatically Restart" then when you have BSOD you will get to see the code as the system will not restart until you do so manually.

    Here is my general findings on the Most common X58 BSOD Codes >>

    0X00000050 << Incorrect Memory Timing/Freq or Uncore Multi
    0X00000124 << Incorrect QPI/Vtt Voltage (To Much/Not Enough)
    0X00000101 << Not enough Vcore Voltage

    You are better off to stick with 19 CPU Multi with Turbo on for 21 or off for 19, either way 20 sucks for sure so do not use it, this is a known issue with 920. Some will work with the 20 multi, but they require far to much voltage so best to use 19 or 21

    Here is what I would advise for a easy go at it, this is 4Ghz CPU 190x19 (190x21 w/Turbo on) with ram at 1520 with loose timings for now. You can try higher ram speed or that higher Blck later on

    Can you please post me a screenshot of this app with these settings applied or the ones you noted out above so I can see what you are getting for all those Auto values on your ram, and a screenshot of Easytune Advanced voltage, tab 2 >>>

    http://www.tweakers.fr/download/CPU-Tweaker.zip


    Advanced CPU Features:
    CPU Clock Ratio ................................ [19x]
    Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech .................. [Enabled]
    CPU Cores Enabled ............................ [All]
    CPU Multi Threading .......................... [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ................... [Disabled]
    C3/C6/C7 State Support .................... [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor ......................... [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function ............................ [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology ................... [Enabled]
    Bi-Directional PROCHOT ..................... [Enabled]


    Uncore & QPI Features:
    QPI Link Speed .............................. x36
    Uncore Frequency ..........................x16-17
    Isonchronous Frequency ..................[Enabled]


    Standard Clock Control:
    Base Clock (BCLK) Control ................ [Enabled]
    BCLK Frequency (MHz) .....................[190]
    PCI Express Frequency (MHz) ........... [100]
    C.I.A.2 [Disabled]

    Advanced Clock Control:
    CPU Clock Drive ..............................[800mV]
    PCI Express Clock Drive ................... [900mV]
    CPU Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
    IOH Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]


    Advanced DRAM Features:
    Performance Enhance ...................... [Standard]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P) ......... [Disabled]
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD) ........ [8x]
    DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) .......... [Quick]

    Channel A + B + C

    Channel A Timing Settings:
    ##Channel A Standard Timing Control##
    CAS Latency Time ......................7
    tRCD .......................................7
    tRP .........................................7
    tRAS .......................................24

    ^^ Try 888-24 for now to be sure you do not have a memory issue) ^^

    ##Channel A Advanced Timing Control##
    tRC ........................................32
    tRRD .......................................AUTO
    tWTR ......................................AUTO
    tWR ........................................AUTO
    tWTP .......................................AUTO
    tWL ........................................AUTO
    tRFC .......................................88 (default is 60 and 60 works) Set 84
    tRTP .......................................AUTO
    tFAW ......................................AUTO
    Command Rate (CMD) ................1T

    ##Channel A Misc Timing Control##
    Round Trip Latency ...................AUTO



    Advanced Voltage Control:

    CPU
    Load Line Calibration ................. [Disabled] << Enable (Vcore should then be steady 1.34 as this is the exact vcore setting I use for 4Ghz (190-205 Blck) on 2 i7's (920 and 965) More would be needed for 200+ Blck of course

    CPU Vcore ...............................1.375
    QPI/VTT Voltage 1.150v ............1.30-1.45 (Try 1.355-1.395 first as this should be good, do keep in mind some only need 1.25-1.3 and to much can be as bad as too little so you may want to try less as well)
    CPU PLL 1.800v .......................1.84-1.86

    MCH/ICH
    PCIE 1.500v ...........................1.54
    QPI PLL 1.100v .......................1.1-1.26
    IOH Core 1.100v .....................1.16-1.24
    ICH I/O 1.500v .......................1.5
    ICH Core 1.1v ........................1.16-1.2

    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage 1.500v ..............1.68-1.7
    DRAM Termination 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-A Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-B Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-C Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-A Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-B Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-C Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]

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    Default Re: Mistake in EX58 Bios re: QPI speed?

    Gonna try some of those settings now with the x19 clock multi. I don't ever get a blue screen btw, when I say error code I'm talking about the LCD on the mobo. With all of my failed attempts the system never posts.

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    Default Re: Mistake in EX58 Bios re: QPI speed?

    Tried your above suggestion with the same results, no post with 6F on the LCD.

    I tried cutting the cpu multi back to 12x just to try and get a higher bclk, dropped memory to 6x uncore to 12x-13x. Still could not push bclk past 180. I feel like it is a memory problem or a voltage problem but neither make sense as I've run my memory as fast as 1866 and others seem to get faster with the same or less voltage.

    Back to square zero I guess.

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    Default Re: Mistake in EX58 Bios re: QPI speed?

    Wyler,

    Before you ship back the UD5, know that it is far more likely that you have a dud 920 than
    there is anything wrong with your UD5. My cousin got a week 41 CPU from AMAZON.com,
    it was about like yours, strained to do 3.8 Ghz and at normal volts (1.200) vcore, it would do only 3.4 Ghz, and that was light apps, not prime95 which failed right away.
    make sure you are 36/16/8 multi QPI/uncore/mem, and loosen your DRAM timings to 9-9-9-24 to insure your DRAM is not bottlenecking you. Then raise both Vtt and Vcore
    to around 1.47 V real (prob. 1.500 bios) and see what you can get into windows. An
    average CPU will validate desktop at 4.250 Ghz, a great chip will do 4.662 Ghz. And be sure to disable HT.

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