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    Default Re: GA-965P-DS3: system not booting

    Yup, I got that much so that's why I brought it up. But is there a way to test if the 12v doesn't give enough juice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shabbaman View Post
    Yup, I got that much so that's why I brought it up. But is there a way to test if the 12v doesn't give enough juice?
    There are a number of ways, but it's not that easy for the consumer to check.
    Even if you used a multimeter and monitored the 12volt line on startup, the meter may not show, nor might you be able to see a "dip" or "dips" during that period as they would only last for say for fractions of seconds. These dips though may be enough to cause the problems you are facing especially during start up when the 12volt rail/line is put above normal stress/loading.

    Seeing that the RAM seems error free, you can start to narrow things down.

    Personally I would want to try another PSU, mainly because the type of PSU you have doesn't meet the ATX standard required (ie emphasis on the 12volt rail) and as such you've been cutting it fine. Now that all the components are ageing, PSU and Motherboard wise, you may have found yourself at that threshold point, where the PSU will "hold up" when the PC is running a 2d windows desktop, but will error occasionally during a 3dgame (extra 12volt loading ie from graphics card) and/or at Cold Startup, when things like the Hard Drive will take 2-3x their normal consumption (12volt rail) during their spin-up phase - that alone can equate to 2.5amps per drive.


    You could try just out of interest running this X3 TC Rolling Demo Benchmark whilst running HWmonitor too.
    EGOSOFT Downloads X: Terran Conflict Demos

    This will load up the graphics card, which inturn will draw more current from the 12volt rail. It will be interesting to see if the PC cuts out. Nevertheless a Cold Start puts another set of stresses on the PC and components, so the graphics test may not prove a point at all.
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    Default Re: GA-965P-DS3: system not booting

    Running that demo doesn't have a noticeable effect. It does look nice though, a lot like Babylon 5 ;)

    I'll try another harddisk, otherwise I think there's not much to do besides getting me another power supply :'(

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    Default Re: GA-965P-DS3: system not booting

    Minor update:

    I've installed a new HD. While installing I found that the motherboard has two different types of SATA ports. With my uber pro skill I assumed that one of them had to be the "main" HD, but the manual says that they're controlled by two different chipsets.

    So, I installed both the old and the new HD to the other chipset, and behold: SMART test available, both pass. Even the old HD passes for the DST, although it takes forever to complete.

    I'm curious if this solves the problem, but I think it does point to the motherboard as the cause of the problem. Could it be a firmware problem or something?

    If the problem persists (most likely, I'm not a person with a lot of luck) I'll clone the old HD onto the new one and take the old one out.

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    Default Re: GA-965P-DS3: system not booting

    The 4 x Yellow Sata Ports are connected to the Intel ICH8 Controller (recommended) and the 2 x Purple Sata Ports are connected to the Gigabyte sataII controller which usually is a Jmicron chip Product

    Usually both types of controller are supported with modern OS's by default, but both do have updated/uprated drivers for advanced functions, such as AHCI/Raid etc.

    If you were using the Purple ports before and also had NOT installed the Jmicron (GB sata II) controller software from either a) Jmicron or b) from the GB motherboard CD (or Gigabyte website) then some of that controllers functions might not of been supported.

    I still don't think that's the cause of your problems though.
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    Default Re: GA-965P-DS3: system not booting

    I've installed something from the disc that came with the motherboard, but I can't recall what it was. Next up is manually measuring the power supply I guess.

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    It took some time to find my multimeter, but I finally got to measuring the power supply. The meter has a range of 0.5%.

    I've performed three measurements.

    1. Idle.

    +5V at 5.16V, hwmonitor reading was 4.87V.
    +12V at 11.98V, hwmonitor at 12.10V.

    2. Booting.
    From startup until the windows login screen (so that's when the fans slow down) the +12V was stable around 11.94V, +5V at 5.17V.

    3. Gaming.
    Pretty much the same as booting, but at 11.93V and 5.16V instead.

    Conclusion: there's little difference between stressed and idle. The readings differ from the software readouts. But if the difference of 0.12V at the +12V is extrapolated to the lowest hwmonitor-readout of 11.90V, that'd come to 11.78V. I'm unsure what to make of it. One more thing I'll do is to measure while booting when the system is cold (turned off for several hours).

    Could it be that my keyboard is causing these problems?

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    Default Re: GA-965P-DS3: system not booting

    Quote Originally Posted by Shabbaman View Post
    It took some time to find my multimeter, but I finally got to measuring the power supply. The meter has a range of 0.5%.

    I've performed three measurements.

    1. Idle.

    +5V at 5.16V, hwmonitor reading was 4.87V.
    +12V at 11.98V, hwmonitor at 12.10V.

    2. Booting.
    From startup until the windows login screen (so that's when the fans slow down) the +12V was stable around 11.94V, +5V at 5.17V.

    3. Gaming.
    Pretty much the same as booting, but at 11.93V and 5.16V instead.

    Conclusion: there's little difference between stressed and idle. The readings differ from the software readouts. But if the difference of 0.12V at the +12V is extrapolated to the lowest hwmonitor-readout of 11.90V, that'd come to 11.78V. I'm unsure what to make of it. One more thing I'll do is to measure while booting when the system is cold (turned off for several hours).

    Could it be that my keyboard is causing these problems?

    All of that sounds perfectly normal to me. Are the issues you ask about, the same from page one still? If so can you please tell me what BIOS you are using and then give me your full MIT Settings

    This is Just a template I use to ask people their settings, pay no attention to the numbers in it, replace with yours

    CPU = Model #
    Motherboard = Model, Revision #
    BIOS Version =
    Ram = Brand, Model#, Part#, And or Link

    Code:
    Robust Graphics Booster___________ [Auto]
    CPU Clock Ratio ____________ [8] 
    Fine Clock Ratio ____________[0.5]
    CPU Host Clock Control_ [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (MHz)__________ [450] 
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_______ [100]
    C.I.A. 2__________________________ [Disabled]
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD)____ [2.00]
    DRAM Timing Selectable_______ SPD __ [Manual]
    
    Performance Enhance = [Standard]
    
    CAS Latency Time________________ 
    Dram RAS# to CAS# Delay_________ 
    Dram RAS# Precharge Delay_______
    Precharge Delay (tRAS)__________ 
    
    ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)_________ 
    Rank Write to READ Delay________ 
    Write to Precharge Delay_________ 
    Refresh to ACT Delay______________ 
    Read to Precharge Delay__________
    Static tRead Value_______________
    Static tRead Phase Adjust________ [Auto]
    
    CPU/PCIEX Clock Driving Control [800mV]
    CPU Clock Skew Control [normal]
    GMCH Clock Skew Control [Normal]
    
    System Voltage Control____ [Manual]
    DDR2 OverVoltage Control__ [+0.300V] 
    PCI-E OverVoltage Control_ [+0.1V] 
    FSB OverVoltage Control___ [+0.1V] 
    (G)MCH OverVoltage Control [+0.1V] 
    CPU Voltage Control_______ [1.25]
    
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled] Enabled if you use Vmware/Virtual PC
    
    Integrated Peripherals
    Legacy USB Storage Detect___________________[Disabled] *Note* Must be enabled to flash from USB

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    Default Re: GA-965P-DS3: system not booting

    Is there any way to get the MIT readouts in windows, or do I have to write it down manually while I'm in the BIOS?

    All the problems I described still persist, although since then I haven't encountered that the system wouldn't power up. The frequency that errors occur seems to have abated, though I'd say that's most likely coincidence. I do have a new symptom that (IMO) would point towards motherboard failure: yesterday my system crashed and after rebooting the keyboard didn't work (no lights (so no power?), no input possible). It's a brand new keyboard (I needed one anyway and I figured that the old keyboard could be a cause of the problems somehow). It's not the port either, because I purposely bought a USB-keyboard and the old one is a, well, classic connector type.

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    Processors Information
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    Processor 1 (ID = 0)
    Number of cores 2 (max 2)
    Number of threads 2 (max 2)
    Name Intel Core 2 Duo E6420
    Codename Conroe
    Specification Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6420 @ 2.13GHz
    Package Socket 775 LGA (platform ID = 0h)
    CPUID 6.F.6
    Extended CPUID 6.F
    Core Stepping B2
    Technology 65 nm
    Core Speed 1600.0 MHz (6.0 x 266.7 MHz)
    Rated Bus speed 1066.7 MHz
    Stock frequency 2133 MHz
    Instructions sets MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, EM64T
    L1 Data cache 2 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
    L1 Instruction cache 2 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
    L2 cache 4096 KBytes, 16-way set associative, 64-byte line size
    FID/VID Control yes
    FID range 6.0x - 8.0x
    max VID 1.350 V
    Features XD, VT



    Chipset
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    Northbridge Intel P965/G965 rev. C2
    Southbridge Intel 82801HB/HR (ICH8/R) rev. B0
    Graphic Interface PCI-Express
    PCI-E Link Width x16
    PCI-E Max Link Width x16
    Memory Type DDR2
    Memory Size 2048 MBytes
    Channels Dual (Symmetric)
    Memory Frequency 333.3 MHz (4:5)
    CAS# 5.0
    RAS# to CAS# 5
    RAS# Precharge 5
    Cycle Time (tRAS) 15
    Command Rate 2T

    Memory SPD
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    DIMM #1

    General
    Memory type DDR2
    Module format Regular UDIMM
    Manufacturer (ID) Kingston (7F98000000000000)
    Size 1024 MBytes
    Max bandwidth PC2-5300 (333 MHz)
    Part number 1G-UDIMM
    Serial number AE1A928F
    Manufacturing date Week 13/Year 07

    Attributes
    Number of banks 1
    Data width 64 bits
    Correction None
    Nominal Voltage 1.80 Volts
    EPP no
    XMP no

    Timings table
    Frequency (MHz) 200 266 333
    CAS# 3.0 4.0 5.0
    RAS# to CAS# delay 3 4 5
    RAS# Precharge 3 4 5
    TRAS 9 12 15
    TRC 12 16 20

    DIMM #2

    General
    Memory type DDR2
    Module format Regular UDIMM
    Manufacturer (ID) Kingston (7F98000000000000)
    Size 1024 MBytes
    Max bandwidth PC2-5300 (333 MHz)
    Part number 1G-UDIMM
    Serial number AD1AB88F
    Manufacturing date Week 13/Year 07

    Attributes
    Number of banks 1
    Data width 64 bits
    Correction None
    Nominal Voltage 1.80 Volts
    EPP no
    XMP no

    Timings table
    Frequency (MHz) 200 266 333
    CAS# 3.0 4.0 5.0
    RAS# to CAS# delay 3 4 5
    RAS# Precharge 3 4 5
    TRAS 9 12 15
    TRC 12 16 20


    Monitoring
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    Mainboard Model 965P-DS3 (0x1EB - 0x94460C)

    LPCIO
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    Vendor ITE
    Model IT8718
    Vendor ID 0x90
    Chip ID 0x8718
    Revision ID 0x2
    Config Mode I/O address 0x2E



    Hardware monitor
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    ITE IT87 hardware monitor

    Voltage sensor 0 1.15 Volts [0x48] (CPU VCORE)
    Voltage sensor 1 1.79 Volts [0x70] (DDR)
    Voltage sensor 2 3.36 Volts [0xD2] (+3.3V)
    Voltage sensor 3 4.84 Volts [0xB4] (+5V)
    Voltage sensor 7 12.16 Volts [0xBE] (+12V)
    Temperature sensor 0 34C (93F) [0x22] (System)
    Temperature sensor 1 27C (80F) [0x1B] (CPU)
    Fan sensor 0 405 RPM [0x681] (FANIN0)
    Last edited by Shabbaman; 05-13-2009 at 04:29 AM.

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    Default Re: GA-965P-DS3: system not booting

    Minor bump, with a question:

    Memory Frequency 333.3 MHz (4:5)
    I thought this equation should be 1?

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