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    Default Re: Just bought EP45-UD3P...Need suggestions for RAM purchase

    Wrong oh misguided one.
    Read Lsdme's Crucial Memory Review for insight into memory performance and timings.
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    Default Re: Just bought EP45-UD3P...Need suggestions for RAM purchase

    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    Wrong oh misguided one.
    Read Lsdme's Crucial Memory Review for insight into memory performance and timings.
    That's a nice article. The performance is very impressive for those sticks the reviewer received. I think the OP should take a look at it as well.

    I thought this was a useful comment from the thread, it looks like Mushkin and G.SKILL may have been preferred for the P35 boards at one time:

    For several reasons I will no longer be making suggestions by brand names. It is just not fair to anyone involved (Companies or Users) and tends to lead to improper conclusions by others based on my opinions, which was never my intentions.

    Those suggestions you mention were more for P35 then anything, and generally to users who seemed to be having issues with other sets. Mainly in P35 boards a few models from a few brands seemed to have various issues with P35 (Not sure why, or which exact models from various brands though).
    The best I could hope for personally is to get some advice from system builders who order a lot of RAM. There's a chance that they might see enough samples from a given manufacturer of a given DIMM to get a rough sense of the true failure rate. They all have a non-zero failure rate, we just want to know what the really high ones are so we can avoid them.

    A single instance of a failure or a success isn't enough to base a recommendation on. So we're all in the same boat. Buy from a reputable company matching the desired specs. AFAICT, there's always a chance you might get a dud from an otherwise reputable source.

    EDIT Having said that, I have to say I'm very happy with my ram: it's rated to run at a slightly lower voltage than the crucial ballistics :) (DDR2-1100, 5-5-5-15, 1.8-1.9v).
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    Default Re: Just bought EP45-UD3P...Need suggestions for RAM purchase

    Fred's observations are good.
    I'll make some generalizations:
    1) All memory with the same ratings will perform virtually the same.
    2) An "average" memory kit from the "best" manufacturer won't perform quite as well as a "super" kit from someone else. It's the luck of the draw.
    3) Some memory brands have compatibility issues with some makes or models of motherboards.

    For me, service and support are most important.
    I want to be able to talk to a live tech support person if a problem arises.
    I want a manufacturer's forum where they offer speedy responses to users' inquiries.

    Two years ago when I built two systems, Crucial was easy to reach and offered excellent advice. When I needed new memory for my current system, Newegg didn't offer the Crucial Ballistix that I wanted. Doing some research and reading reviews from quality websites, it was an easy decision to switch to Mushkin based on the quality of their forum, performance, and I easily reached them by phone on two occasions.

    I guess I'm just a Mushkin Munchkin.
    my 3 cents

    ps: I didn't want to end up with some half-fast memory.
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    Default Re: Just bought EP45-UD3P...Need suggestions for RAM purchase

    Quote Originally Posted by FredSRichardson View Post
    That's the first I've heard of anyone having problems with G.SKILL. A lot of people recommend them. There's always a chance you'll get a dud from any manufacturer.

    The only ones I've heard of to stay away from are Crucial. This surprised me because they used to be so highly recommended. I guess things change.
    yeah it seems rather rare. It's strange, because they are working perfectly in a friend's machine. Just didn't want to to work with my motherboard.

    It could be that with more tinkering I could have gotten it to work. But I finally got tired of monkeying around in the BIOS and just switched RAM and things have been perfect ever since.
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    I can imagine you got a bad stick, and that can definitely happen.

    I asked the builder who helped me put this rig together over at tomshardware why he had a bad impression of Crucial memory. I think it's always good to get another opinion, so I'll quote what he said. Unfortunately I can't back this up myself, but I thought he had some interesting things to say (thread is here). From proximon:

    Personal observation first. Let's start with the newegg list for DDR2 800, 4GB:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 20x%202GB)

    Have a look at the voltages. 2.0V for 800Mhz, even at CAS 4 is high.

    Secondly, I have spoken to several builders that will no longer use them. This started about 18 months ago. Too many bad sticks and too much trouble with those voltages... that was the main complaint.

    Finally, one of the industry insiders that write columns for CPU magazine, last year some time, stated clearly that he no longer trusted Crucial memory.

    That's all I know, and I'm a loong way from infallible. I just make the calls with what little info I get ;)
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    Default Re: Just bought EP45-UD3P...Need suggestions for RAM purchase

    Thanks for the suggestions and links.

    My past motherboard had issues with certain models of ram.
    Not necessarily a brand name, but different models within different brands.

    So I just wanted to make sure that the ram I get would work well on this specific motherboard.

    So I hope I am not creating a brand war. There might be one type of Muskin Ram that gives problems on this motherboard, but another one that works really well. I am just trying to make sure I get the one that works well on this board.

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    Default Re: Just bought EP45-UD3P...Need suggestions for RAM purchase

    One of the most biased, but useful resources is Newegg reviews. Ya, too many of them are idiots who think they know what they're doing (e.g. this stupid ram wasn't detected properly yada, yada, yada...), it's a great palce to see which mobos had good or bad results with brands or types of memory. It doesn't take very long to determine who knows what they're doing and who's a wannabe.

    The best memory will have a 90+% positive rating (4 + 5 "eggs"). You'll also see which manufacturers respond directly to customer complaints and problems. Use the advanced search feature to list only the memory types, brands, and/or speeds that you're interested in. Happy hunting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    One of the most biased, but useful resources is Newegg reviews. Ya, too many of them are idiots who think they know what they're doing (e.g. this stupid ram wasn't detected properly yada, yada, yada...), it's a great palce to see which mobos had good or bad results with brands or types of memory. It doesn't take very long to determine who knows what they're doing and who's a wannabe.

    The best memory will have a 90+% positive rating (4 + 5 "eggs"). You'll also see which manufacturers respond directly to customer complaints and problems. Use the advanced search feature to list only the memory types, brands, and/or speeds that you're interested in. Happy hunting.
    I've said it time and time again that the NewEgg reviews are some of the best resources for research PC hardware. Plus, remember to use your Internet Browser's word search and Highlight option to quickly find information in the NewEgg reviews Bigmit37. And ever since you could tell if somebody had or hadn't purchased the item, I've been into them more than ever before. (Tell phone support people, "Don't make me give you one egg at NewEgg mofo"!LOL.JK.LOL)
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    Yeah, that is one of the great things about NewEgg. Some manufactures put a little effort in to respond to comments as well (like PC Power and Cooling). You have to take the reviews with a grain of salt, but the amount of frustration an item generates is a good avoidance alarm.

    I also like to search google groups, sort by date, and use strings like:

    item avoid
    item failed
    item recommend
    item sucks

    It's not hard to find outrage on the net. You can count on people to post how annoyed they are with something :P
    Last edited by FredSRichardson; 04-26-2009 at 10:25 AM.
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