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    Default Re: GA-EP45-UD3P - Won't boot with 450FSB

    Ok profJim,

    I'm 24 hrs stable @ 500 FSB 2.00D 5-5-5-15 relaxed timings, 9tRD. I think from my earlier testing that my memory only does like 1100 max.. so the 1:1 ratio with 1000Mhz memory gives me the best performance.

    How about some tips for step #2? Do I take the cpu to as high as it will go on current voltages? then bump one or two? There are 4 cpu voltages, so is there a method? like keeing the CPU term within 0.07 of CPU core? Are they any guides to which to bump and by how much keeping the others within a certain distance? Does any of this make sense?

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    Default Re: GA-EP45-UD3P - Won't boot with 450FSB

    How about some tips for step #2? Do I take the cpu to as high as it will go on current voltages? then bump one or two? There are 4 cpu voltages, so is there a method? like keeing the CPU term within 0.07 of CPU core? Are they any guides to which to bump and by how much keeping the others within a certain distance? Does any of this make sense?
    Excellent questions.
    You will find that Cpu Vcore, Cpu Termination, and MCH Core will need adjusting as you overclock. It's not pure trial and error, but you will develop as sense for what changes are needed as you gain more experience. There are some general guidlines, but there will be subtle differences based on your specific hardware and the quality of each component. If you and I had identical hardware setups, you might have a "better" cpu and memory, but my motherboard might be better. This is why you can't always copy the bios settings from someone else and expect everything to work perfectly.

    With your Cpu Clock Ratio = 7, you can probably increase the Cpu Host Frequency to 533 - 550MHz, where your memory will hit the wall. While faster memory speeds increase performance, you'll need to increase Static tRead Value (aka tRD or Performance Level) as you go higher. The best overall memory performance is where you find the sweet spot by balancing tRD and memory speeds. Primary memory timings using 5-5-5-15 should work with memory speeds from 9xx - 1100MHz.

    tRD = 10 will probably be required around 510 - 515MHz and higher. tRD = 11 or 12 will be needed as the memory speed increases further. As tRD values increase, memory performance will take a hit. The trick is to find the best performance balance between tRD settings and memory speeds. Lsdme's Crucial Ballistix Memory Review provides some excellent benchmark comparisions using different combinations of memory speed, tRD settings, and primary memory timings.

    I've found that Cpu Vcore that is a little higher than is necessary does not cause stability issues. Cpu Termination and MCH Core are very intolerent with voltage settings that are too high or too low. Sometimes increasing Cpu Termination (aka VTT) can improve system stability. The general recommendation here is that VTT should be at least 0.05 to 0.10 volts lower than Cpu Vcore. Intel states the maximum allowable VTT settings in their datasheets.

    As you increase cpu host frequency, some of the reference volt settings will need to be changed. Changing these settings is not for the faint of heart. You will need to understand the correct way to apply these changes using Lsdme's Reference Voltages Guide.

    Depending on your needs, you might end up with several saved bios profiles:
    gaming
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    general 24/7 useage

    You'll probably find the best overall performance running at 3.9GHz speeds or higher using the appropriate cpu host frequency and multiplier.
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    I have a feeling I'm going to be temp limited around 4.1 - 4.2.. I'm trying to get stable @ 490 FSB, 5-5-5-5-12 relaxed, 2.00D and 8.5x = 4.160Ghz and I am pushing 66 degrees prime torture.. and 79 IBT. **sigh** I got the OC bug.. maybe I need to replace my Zerotherm FZ120 with the Noctua NH-C12P Newegg.com - Noctua NH-C12P 120mm SSO CPU Cooler - CPU Fans & Heatsinks.. The tweaktown review testing gave it 4 degrees cooler than the FZ120.

    I can never see myself going water-cooled..

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    You need a TrUE!
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    Default Re: GA-EP45-UD3P - Won't boot with 450FSB

    Quote Originally Posted by D-an-W View Post
    You need a TrUE!
    Agreed. You can also pot to use the TrUE (or the Noctua) with two fans in push/pull. You'll only see a 2-4c decrease in temps for the extra fan noise, but if you really want lower temps, and don't mind the noise, try it.

    If you do go for a TrUE over the Noctua, I'd recommend a Noctua NF-P12 fan (or two). They're awesome for high impedance situations, like on a hearsink, where a percentage of the fam area is blocked by all the HS fins. Coming with a 6 year warranty, they really believe in their product.
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    Default Re: GA-EP45-UD3P - Won't boot with 450FSB

    The Noctua NH-C12P is a very highly rated, downdraft cooler (read the TweakTown review and others). The True is top tier, the NH-C12P is at worst, a close 2nd, is lighter and less expensive (the fan is included). No push-pull dual fan setup with this Noctua.

    It looks like overclocking can be similar to racing....how fast are you willing to spend?
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    Then I stand corrected. It can be easy to confuse NH-C12P and Noctua NH-U12P, model numbers being so similar.

    You should definitely get the TrUE. I can't stand down draft coolers.

    One reason often quoted for the use of a downdraft is to cool VRMs. However if your VRMs are getting so hot as to need active cooling, chances are you're running a massive overclock, and probably using water to cool the CPU any way.

    Its a shame they don't compare ambient case temps in any reviews. Its almost certain downdraft case temps would be higher.

    It seems that the Noctua NH-C12P performs as it does purely because Noctua are excellent engineers. If the same tech was applied to a tower cooler (NH-U12P doesn't count as compared to the Noctua NH-C12P it's last generation as far as Noctua design is concerned) I'm certain cooling performance would be even better.

    This is just my opinion. Hurry up Noctua and design another tower cooler.
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    Default Re: GA-EP45-UD3P - Won't boot with 450FSB

    I like down-draft setups because they're cool.

    **edit** Hexus did an extensive cooler comparison about 2 years ago.
    Back then, down-draft coolers were mostly middle-tier units good for moderate but not extreme overclocks.
    AnandTech came to a similar conclusion a little over a year ago.
    Since then Enzotech and several others have developed down-draft units that qualify as top tier setups.
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    Well I'm 14 hours stable @ 4.160 with prime95 torture testing.. The bad news is the temps are 69-70 degrees. I ran IBT and nailed 79 within 60 seconds.. I'm sure it would have gone 80+ if left to run more than 2 loops. Room ambient is 25.5 degrees. I guess after I prove stability... I will be dialing it back to 4.02 - 4.05 and trying that... until I figure out what I am going to do about cooling.

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    Good work!

    The cooling hardware in my sig dropped my temps around 20degC from the previous cooler (Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro) so don't give up hope, just dump your heatsink

    Update the template with your settings and post it please devoh
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