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  1. #11

    Default Re: My First STABLE build!!!

    Thanks for the tip. I have a Raidmax Smilodon case. I was going to open her up this weekend and see if there is room in the 2.5" bays for a fan, simply. There is a mesh grille there, I just want to see if there are mounting holes for the screws or not. If not, oh well. The 120mm fan on the front/bottom of the case is now obstructed by 3 HDDs. I thought about getting some adapters and moving them up to the 5.25" bays, still might.

    The other two fans that I am talking about adding are purely functional. The bottom one will feed fresh air directly to the intake on my 9800GT. The upper one will channel out the pocket of stale air that gathers above the Ram, between the PSU and the 5.25" bays.

    Also, I am 24hours stable at 400x8.5. Onward and upward.

    CPU = Model E8400
    Motherboard = EP45-UD3P Rev. 1.1
    BIOS Version = F9
    Ram = Gskill PC2-8500

    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Auto
    CPU Clock Ratio .............................: 8
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................: 0.5
    CPU Frequency ..............................: 3.4GHz


    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 400MHz
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........: 100MHz

    C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]


    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: <<< 800
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: <<< 900
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: <<<
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: <<<


    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: [STANDARD]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: Disabled
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [Auto]
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: 2.6D
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 1068MHz
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]

    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................: 5
    tRCD .............................................: 5
    tRP............................................... ..: 5
    tRAS.............................................. : 16


    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD...........................................: 5
    tWTR..........................................: 14
    tWR............................................:
    tRFC...........................................: 65
    tRTP...........................................: 7
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................: 2T


    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................: 11
    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................: 11


    Motherboard Voltage Control
    CPU
    CPU Vcore….………................................: 1.2000
    CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*...............: 1.2125
    CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: 1.25
    CPU Referen.…………....0.755V*...........: .76
    CPU Reference2………,,0.800V*...........:<<< .67% Of Vtt

    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: 1.2
    MCH Reference….…….0.800V............: .76
    MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V..............: .9
    ICH I/O……………….....1.500V............: 1.5
    ICH Core…………...……1.100V...........: 1.1

    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: 2.0
    DRAM Termination .…0.900V............: .9
    Channel A Reference 0.900V............: .9
    Channel B Reference 0.900V............: .9
    As you can see, it just amounted to a couple voltage blips... but as I said in my earlier post... Baby Steps for me... haha.
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex St. John
    Consider for a moment that what we think of as “intelligence” is the byproduct of a computing architecture that depends on massive parallelism to interact with the world in real time without stalling for progress bars. If our ancestors’ brains had depended on running Vista on current dual-core processors for their survival, they would have been eaten by bears.

    Best Quote Ever...
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho101
    Obey the one and only rule without question when you overclock.... don't cause a fire. Fires are hot and burny... not good.
    Intel E8400 EO@445x9--Gigabyte EP45-UD3P v1.1 ~ F9--EVGA 9800GT @ 700/1750/1100--8GB Gskill 1066

  2. #12

    Default Re: My First STABLE build!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex St. John
    Consider for a moment that what we think of as “intelligence” is the byproduct of a computing architecture that depends on massive parallelism to interact with the world in real time without stalling for progress bars. If our ancestors’ brains had depended on running Vista on current dual-core processors for their survival, they would have been eaten by bears.

    Best Quote Ever...
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho101
    Obey the one and only rule without question when you overclock.... don't cause a fire. Fires are hot and burny... not good.
    Intel E8400 EO@445x9--Gigabyte EP45-UD3P v1.1 ~ F9--EVGA 9800GT @ 700/1750/1100--8GB Gskill 1066

  3. #13

    Default Re: My First STABLE build!!!

    Thank you, Psycho, I got 445x9 stable, hurrah. I stopped Prime just over at 26 hours.

    CPU = Model E8400
    Motherboard = EP45-UD3P Rev. 1.1
    BIOS Version = F9
    Ram = Gskill PC2-8500

    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Auto
    CPU Clock Ratio .............................: 9
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:
    CPU Frequency ..............................:445


    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............:4.005GHz
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........:

    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: [STANDARD]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: Disabled
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [Auto]
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: 2.00D
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............:
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]

    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................:5
    tRCD .............................................:5
    tRP............................................... ..:5
    tRAS.............................................. :16


    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD...........................................:4
    tWTR..........................................:14
    tWR............................................:
    tRFC...........................................:68
    tRTP...........................................:7
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................:2


    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................:11
    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................:11


    Motherboard Voltage Control
    CPU
    CPU Vcore….………................................:1.35
    CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*...............:1.26
    CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......:1.5
    CPU Referen.…………....0.755V*...........:
    CPU Reference2………,,0.800V*...........:<<< .67% Of Vtt

    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........:1.28
    MCH Reference….…….0.800V............:
    MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V..............:
    ICH I/O……………….....1.500V............:1.5
    ICH Core…………...……1.100V...........:1.2

    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............:2.0
    DRAM Termination .…0.900V............:
    Channel A Reference 0.900V............:
    Channel B Reference 0.900V............:

    Thank you very much Psycho. Now, I will stay here till this weekend and then try something a little higher. I don't know how much higher, though. At 4.005GHz my temps are 38C idle and 61C during Prime, Large FFts. Maybe 4.2GHz or 4.3 next...?
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex St. John
    Consider for a moment that what we think of as “intelligence” is the byproduct of a computing architecture that depends on massive parallelism to interact with the world in real time without stalling for progress bars. If our ancestors’ brains had depended on running Vista on current dual-core processors for their survival, they would have been eaten by bears.

    Best Quote Ever...
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho101
    Obey the one and only rule without question when you overclock.... don't cause a fire. Fires are hot and burny... not good.
    Intel E8400 EO@445x9--Gigabyte EP45-UD3P v1.1 ~ F9--EVGA 9800GT @ 700/1750/1100--8GB Gskill 1066

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    Default Re: My First STABLE build!!!

    Excellent! Well done.

    Anyone here merely helped a little, you did the work. Nice isn't it, when a little time invested gets you something worthwhile. Think of it in terms of money saving. If an Intel Dual core existed at stock 4GHz, how much would it cost? At least double what you paid for your chip.

    You may get 4.2GHz stable from here, however depending on how good your particular chip is, you may find soon that you can get only small increases in speed for a proportionally large increase in vCore. Temps look ok so far. 65c averages are good, and a small fluctuation to 67 or so occasionally is fine too. If you start seeing 70c+, back off a little unless you feel brave.
    Coolermaster CM 690 II advance Case
    Corsair HX750 (CWT, 91%(80+ Gold rated @230V) single 62A 12V rail
    P55A-UD4 v2.0 @ F14
    Core i5 760 @ 20 x 201, 4.02GHz
    TRUE Black with a single Noctua NF-P12 pumping out 55 CFM @ 19db .
    2 x 2GB Mushkin Ridgeback (996902), @ 7-10-8-27, 2010-DDR, 1.66v
    2 x Gigabyte GTX 460 1024MB in SLI (Pre OC'd to 715MHz core and 1800MHz VRAM) @ 850 Core / 4100 Mem.
    Intel X25-M Boot Drive (OS and Programs) 200MB/s Read & 90MB/s Write
    Corsair X32 200MB/s Read & 100MB/s Write
    WD Caviar Blue 640GB C (Steam, Games, Storage, Temp Files & Folders, etc)
    Samsung F3 500GB Backup/Images
    Noctua 1300RPM 19dB case fan (rear extraction)
    3 x 140 MM Coolermaster LED fans (one front intake, one top extraction, one side intake)
    Dell Ultra Sharp 2209WAf E-IPS @ 1680x1050

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    Default Re: My First STABLE build!!!

    That was my thought when I bought the 8400... also figured that if I killed it, I would learn from that too, haha.

    Question:

    What kind of tweaks can be made to my memory timings to up my bandwidth?
    For instance, I don't understand the XMP / EPP thing. Here is a screen of my memory set up, how do I reconcile the numbers under Memset's EPP list with the numbers under the SPD tabs?
    Last edited by grishkafool; 05-12-2009 at 10:18 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex St. John
    Consider for a moment that what we think of as “intelligence” is the byproduct of a computing architecture that depends on massive parallelism to interact with the world in real time without stalling for progress bars. If our ancestors’ brains had depended on running Vista on current dual-core processors for their survival, they would have been eaten by bears.

    Best Quote Ever...
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho101
    Obey the one and only rule without question when you overclock.... don't cause a fire. Fires are hot and burny... not good.
    Intel E8400 EO@445x9--Gigabyte EP45-UD3P v1.1 ~ F9--EVGA 9800GT @ 700/1750/1100--8GB Gskill 1066

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    Default Re: My First STABLE build!!!

    I'd recommend that if you plan on increasing FSB speed, you leave the RAM timings as they are for now. If you tighten them, then raising the FSB might become an issue if your RAM can't handle the increased speed and tight timings at the same time. Always best to tighten things up when you're 100% happy with CPU speed.

    EPP and XMP are really just there for people who don't know how to set up their RAM timings themselves, and aren't any where near optimal settings. You can set them much better yourself.

    If you want to save the BIOS profile you're using now and tighten up timings, I'd recommend reverting back to the looser ones befoe starting any more FSB/CPU speed increases.

    First thing to try, is what Performance Level your RAM can do at this particular FSB frequency. Memset is great for finding this. It's set at 11 at the minute. Lower it to 10 and hit apply. If you can still move the mouse etc and the PC hasn't hard-locked, move down to 9, then 8. It's highly likely that the lowest setting here that doesn't cause a freeze will boot, and be stable. When you find that value, set it in the BIOS etc.

    One word of warning. Save your BIOS profiles to a USB stick as well as the boards EEPROM, as sometimes I've had the board completely clear itself. Also when you get a hard-lock from setting things in Memset, you will sometimes get a "Wrong overclocking" alert in the bios and the board may start to reboot continuously. Pulling the power cord or switching off the PSU for 30 sec will fix this, but you may have to go back into Motherboard Intelligent Tweaker to get the modified settings back, rather than a default boot.

    Seems no reason to me why you can't go fore the same settings as me. I'm running a higher RAM speed, so in theory you may be able to run even tighter timings.
    Coolermaster CM 690 II advance Case
    Corsair HX750 (CWT, 91%(80+ Gold rated @230V) single 62A 12V rail
    P55A-UD4 v2.0 @ F14
    Core i5 760 @ 20 x 201, 4.02GHz
    TRUE Black with a single Noctua NF-P12 pumping out 55 CFM @ 19db .
    2 x 2GB Mushkin Ridgeback (996902), @ 7-10-8-27, 2010-DDR, 1.66v
    2 x Gigabyte GTX 460 1024MB in SLI (Pre OC'd to 715MHz core and 1800MHz VRAM) @ 850 Core / 4100 Mem.
    Intel X25-M Boot Drive (OS and Programs) 200MB/s Read & 90MB/s Write
    Corsair X32 200MB/s Read & 100MB/s Write
    WD Caviar Blue 640GB C (Steam, Games, Storage, Temp Files & Folders, etc)
    Samsung F3 500GB Backup/Images
    Noctua 1300RPM 19dB case fan (rear extraction)
    3 x 140 MM Coolermaster LED fans (one front intake, one top extraction, one side intake)
    Dell Ultra Sharp 2209WAf E-IPS @ 1680x1050

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    I am ashamed to admit that I can't figure out how to save BIOS Profiles. I just can't seem to find it as an option in the BIOS, am I missing something simple? I have F9 BIOS installed.
    By the way, what are All Precharge to Activate, Write to Precharge Delayed, and All Precharge to Refresh Delay called in the BIOS? Performance level is Static Read, right?
    Last edited by grishkafool; 05-13-2009 at 04:50 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex St. John
    Consider for a moment that what we think of as “intelligence” is the byproduct of a computing architecture that depends on massive parallelism to interact with the world in real time without stalling for progress bars. If our ancestors’ brains had depended on running Vista on current dual-core processors for their survival, they would have been eaten by bears.

    Best Quote Ever...
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho101
    Obey the one and only rule without question when you overclock.... don't cause a fire. Fires are hot and burny... not good.
    Intel E8400 EO@445x9--Gigabyte EP45-UD3P v1.1 ~ F9--EVGA 9800GT @ 700/1750/1100--8GB Gskill 1066

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    Default Re: My First STABLE build!!!

    Performance level is Static Tread, you're correct.

    Lsdmeasap has a guide on the board that explains quite well the relationship between BIOS settings and Memset. Here it is : http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/memo...vs-bios-27283/

    If you look at the bottom of the screen when on the main BIOS page there are options for "[F11] Load settings from disk" and "[F12] Save CMOS to BIOS" and "Load CMOS from BIOS". You can save profiles to the Bios itself, however these get wiped if you flash, and I personally have had them erased due to incorrect overclock settings. There is an option to save to disk when you hit [F12], save to a USB stick if you can (may require legacy USB storage detect [Enabled]).

    If all else fails, and you haven't got a USB stick (each profile is very small, 1 KB) you can always write everything down. Print off a blank BIOS template and fill all the settings in, or use the notes pages at the back of the manual.
    Coolermaster CM 690 II advance Case
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    P55A-UD4 v2.0 @ F14
    Core i5 760 @ 20 x 201, 4.02GHz
    TRUE Black with a single Noctua NF-P12 pumping out 55 CFM @ 19db .
    2 x 2GB Mushkin Ridgeback (996902), @ 7-10-8-27, 2010-DDR, 1.66v
    2 x Gigabyte GTX 460 1024MB in SLI (Pre OC'd to 715MHz core and 1800MHz VRAM) @ 850 Core / 4100 Mem.
    Intel X25-M Boot Drive (OS and Programs) 200MB/s Read & 90MB/s Write
    Corsair X32 200MB/s Read & 100MB/s Write
    WD Caviar Blue 640GB C (Steam, Games, Storage, Temp Files & Folders, etc)
    Samsung F3 500GB Backup/Images
    Noctua 1300RPM 19dB case fan (rear extraction)
    3 x 140 MM Coolermaster LED fans (one front intake, one top extraction, one side intake)
    Dell Ultra Sharp 2209WAf E-IPS @ 1680x1050

  9. #19

    Default Re: My First STABLE build!!!

    lol, thanks man. I will try the USB thing. I made a template in Notebook and have printed out successful builds for manual entry already.

    I tried your timings, slowly with Memset, and they seemed stable. I didn't lower my tRFC as low as yours as I have 8GB. I went to BIOS to make the changes after that and failed to post, lol. So, after resetting, things are back to the way they were, well, maybe a hair tighter, haha.

    BTW, I have read Lsd's post a few times, even linked it once or twice :p. I will check it again to see if I missed an explanation for those three items.
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex St. John
    Consider for a moment that what we think of as “intelligence” is the byproduct of a computing architecture that depends on massive parallelism to interact with the world in real time without stalling for progress bars. If our ancestors’ brains had depended on running Vista on current dual-core processors for their survival, they would have been eaten by bears.

    Best Quote Ever...
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho101
    Obey the one and only rule without question when you overclock.... don't cause a fire. Fires are hot and burny... not good.
    Intel E8400 EO@445x9--Gigabyte EP45-UD3P v1.1 ~ F9--EVGA 9800GT @ 700/1750/1100--8GB Gskill 1066

  10. #20

    Default Re: My First STABLE build!!!

    I don't see an explanation for those three things on his post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex St. John
    Consider for a moment that what we think of as “intelligence” is the byproduct of a computing architecture that depends on massive parallelism to interact with the world in real time without stalling for progress bars. If our ancestors’ brains had depended on running Vista on current dual-core processors for their survival, they would have been eaten by bears.

    Best Quote Ever...
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho101
    Obey the one and only rule without question when you overclock.... don't cause a fire. Fires are hot and burny... not good.
    Intel E8400 EO@445x9--Gigabyte EP45-UD3P v1.1 ~ F9--EVGA 9800GT @ 700/1750/1100--8GB Gskill 1066

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