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    Default Re: First build: very basic questions

    There should be mimimal difference as regards to heat sink orientation in relationship to the cores. The CPU itself has an integrated heatsink, the metal top, that does a fine job of spreading heat evenly across its surface.

    I would personally recommend that the fan be at the front of the case, blowing through the heatsink and being carried away by the rear case fan.

    Having the air flow bottom-to-top means that the PSU will be taking in the hot air. This can lead to the PSU fan spinning faster than necessary due to warmer air being sucked in, artificially heating the PSU (they all have fan controlers that run the fan slow at low temperatures, faster as it heats up).

    If you have a case where the PSU is installed at the bottom, then either direction is fine as long as the case has an extractor fan at the top.

    The golden rules for case cooling are usually:

    • Intakes at the front (side intake optional)
    • Output at the back and top (because hot air rises)
    • Slightly more air being sucked out of the case, creating negative air pressure which helps the movement of air.
    • Keep fans, fan grills and fan filters clean. A dirty fan can become a noisy fan.


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    Default Re: First build: very basic questions

    Heatpipes are parallel to the cores

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    I thought about this too, but I actually saw a test of this where the the fan exhausts heat up (without a separate top case fan) right into the PSU and it actually resulted in lower case temps. I think the reason it works so well in my system is because the Xigmatek HDT-S1284 cooler has cross fins that allow air to be blown through in all directions. This means that the fan in the back of the case is still exhausting a considerable amount of heat.

    I guess the problem is that this will cause the PSU to heat up more, but considering the warranty on the Corsair that I have, I think I'll be fine!

    And yes, I LOVED BUILDING my system.. First one that I've ever done (although I've been using and taking apart and upgrading computers for 20 years) from the bottom up!

    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho101 View Post
    There should be mimimal difference as regards to heat sink orientation in relationship to the cores. The CPU itself has an integrated heatsink, the metal top, that does a fine job of spreading heat evenly across its surface.

    I would personally recommend that the fan be at the front of the case, blowing through the heatsink and being carried away by the rear case fan.

    Having the air flow bottom-to-top means that the PSU will be taking in the hot air. This can lead to the PSU fan spinning faster than necessary due to warmer air being sucked in, artificially heating the PSU (they all have fan controlers that run the fan slow at low temperatures, faster as it heats up).

    If you have a case where the PSU is installed at the bottom, then either direction is fine as long as the case has an extractor fan at the top.

    The golden rules for case cooling are usually:

    • Intakes at the front (side intake optional)
    • Output at the back and top (because hot air rises)
    • Slightly more air being sucked out of the case, creating negative air pressure which helps the movement of air.
    • Keep fans, fan grills and fan filters clean. A dirty fan can become a noisy fan.

    Have fun with your build. There's nothing like building a PC from the ground up, getting it all working and being able to say "I made that". Sweet!
    Last edited by TranceFat; 05-09-2009 at 07:28 AM.

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    Your Corsair will definately be fine. They're nice units. Made by Seasonic, superb quality. I shal be getting one, either the 750W or 800W version, and putting the OCZ in my upcoming HTPC.

    The only concern really for most PSUs is just the noise factor blowing warmer air into it causing the fan(s) to always spin faster. A certain amount of hot air will of course rise up to the PSU even with the fan facing to the front, but you have the benefit of two fans with the optimum opportunity to catch most of the warm air.

    I shouldn't thing it would matter much though. Either way will be cool in the grand scheme of things. You can always try it, see which way works best. It can be case dependant. For instance an aluminium case has better thermal properties than a thick steel case
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    My PSU is located at the bottom of the case.

    I cut a hole in the bottom of my Antec 900 case so my Corsair 750 exhausts downward, out of the case. I dont like hot PSU going into my case. I like cool air.

    Back to the cooler - if it makes little difference, I like the cooler fan to blow toward the rear of the case, to get a good front to rear flow. hmmm - it would be cool to see some smoke going through the case to see the flow pattern.

    Moving right along: wow I do a first boot before I connect my HDD's and optical drives? Im so new - I didnt know that!!! [shock and horror] Im intalling XP Pro SP3 due to some old software for my photo work.

    Im searching for a great ste-by-step instructions for first boot onward...
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    Default Re: First build: very basic questions

    The large fan on the bottom of the PSU is an intake not an output fan. It's better the fan faces upward, into the case so it's free to suck cool air in, and exhaust it out of the back of the unit. Having it facing downward means there's very little space between the fan and the floor (depends on the height of the case feet)

    Air is always exhausted from the back of the PSU, the part where the eletrical cable plugs in and the on/off switch is located.

    It sounds like you've cut your case for nothing. Oh well... at least it's on the bottom, where you won't see it.
    Last edited by Psycho101; 05-09-2009 at 09:11 AM.
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    2 x 2GB Mushkin Ridgeback (996902), @ 7-10-8-27, 2010-DDR, 1.66v
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    Quote Originally Posted by pchaplo View Post
    Im going to ask my questions here which are many, bc frankly the heart of my first build is my Gigabyte mobo. I just added a signature with details. I just installed my processor - i cant believe it was that easy IM EXCITED! Next the Xygmatek heatsink - I got the crossbow bracket. Which way do I orient the CPU cooler on my GIGA board with the E8400. Its seems to make sense to have the maximum surface area facing the front of the case - but Im reading that the cores' orientation must be considered. I plan to mount the Zygmatek on my GIGA mobo so that if the case is standing for use, the cooling pipes will be at the top and bottom of the install, not to the side. Does that make sense?


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    Congratz pchaplo... that is the the worst signature of all time!

    jk

    But seriously, you have to appreciate the purpose of adding your specifications to your signature. Its so that ppl can quickly reference it and effortlessly obtain very specific parameters and as a result help you and not just ignore your requests because its to much of a hassle. (Cut all comments too... once again JK pchaplo.) And remember, most people with answers to your questions will not bother to help you when you fall way too far below a sort of minimal professionalism.

    So for example, by just alone not including which Operating System you're using, you're making it more difficult for others to help you.

    And seeing just how analytical you are forces me to insist that you align the specifications in ur sig, in addition to cutting the crapola out of it too... AGAIN... JK pchaplo

    I apologize Pchaplo, but you have brought the hidden Military Sargent out of me.

    But seriously, try this as a template for you sig:

    <<< System Summary >>>
    > Power Supply: ________________________
    > Mainboard : ________________________
    > Chipset : ________________________
    > Processor : ________________________
    > CPU HeatSink and Fan (HSF): ________________________
    > Physical Memory : ________________________(Put a Link to your RAM's specifications here next to it.)
    > Video Card : ________________________
    > DVD-Rom Drive : ________________________
    > Monitor Type : ________________________
    > Operating System : ________________________
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    Peace Pchaplo!
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    I stated XP Pro SP3:

    Im intalling XP Pro SP3 due to some old software for my photo work.
    Good info on the PSU airflow. I was wrong - Im here to learn. I have higher feet on my case - then my PSU will have cooler intake air from outside the case. I still like that.

    Ive condensed my sig.
    Last edited by pchaplo; 05-09-2009 at 01:55 PM.
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    Before the quotes I just have to say, I think your Heatsink should be pointed so that the air blows out the rear exhaust fan. If you have room you want a 120MM fan on both sides one pushing air and one pulling out the back side

    Quote Originally Posted by frank351 View Post
    Hey LSd, is it a problem if you load optimized defaults after you have fiddled with the settings and updated to current bios?

    I put my computer together, updated the bios first up then fiddled. I then loaded optimised settings when I realised I was having trouble.
    Well yes, and no. Yes if you forgot to go back and set your SATA/Disk settings (Especially if you are using RAID).

    Other than that no, just load optimized and then go back and start your tweaking and testing until you get things stable again

    Quote Originally Posted by pchaplo View Post
    dont laugh - I dont know how to do that? I will do a search, but if you tell me or give a link, I will appreciate it. Thanks!

    The optimized defaults are BIOS settings? I load those somehow, perhaps from a menu item that says "load optimized settings" ? Then I press F10 to save those. Sorry Im in over my head but loving it. I told the guy at Micro Center the component that I bought after reading the forums: GA-EP45-UD3P, E8400 ($139!!!!), Corsair 750, Mushkin RAM, 640 GB WD Caviar blacks - he said IM Impressed - you picked good stuff for you first build!!! lol So I have hope - and I AM a fast learner!
    Here, in this guide I have outlined the steps needed to load optimized defaults safely >>
    http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/bios...h-guide-27576/

    Quote Originally Posted by pchaplo View Post
    Is this the correct orientation of the 1283 cooler with E8400 on a GIGA GA-EP45-UD3R?

    this is NOT my build - i found this on Photobucket.


    Terrible I think. Of course it may not be so bad if you do have a top fan to suck out the heat that way. But I suggest it the other way so that heat is pulled out the rear by the exhaust fan. How the heatpipes sit across the cores likely does not make a huge difference at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lsdmeasap View Post
    Before the quotes I just have to say, I think your Heatsink should be pointed so that the air blows out the rear exhaust fan. If you have room you want a 120MM fan on both sides one pushing air and one pulling out the back side



    Well yes, and no. Yes if you forgot to go back and set your SATA/Disk settings (Especially if you are using RAID).

    Other than that no, just load optimized and then go back and start your tweaking and testing until you get things stable again



    Here, in this guide I have outlined the steps needed to load optimized defaults safely >>
    http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/bios...h-guide-27576/




    Terrible I think. Of course it may not be so bad if you do have a top fan to suck out the heat that way. But I suggest it the other way so that heat is pulled out the rear by the exhaust fan. How the heatpipes sit across the cores likely does not make a huge difference at all
    Two 120's could be installed in the top.



    But I'd face it towards the rear anyway because hot air rises.
    <<< LGA2011 System Summary >>>
    > Power Supply: CORSAIR AX Series AX860 860W 80 PLUS PLATINUM Haswell Ready Full Modular (NE Link)
    > Chipset : Intel X99
    > Mainboard :Gigabyte GA-X99-Ultra Gaming
    (NE Link)
    > Processor : i7-6850K (NE Link)
    > AIO: Corsair Hydro Series H100i V2 (NE Link)
    > Physical Memory : G.SKILL TridentZ Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4 3200 Model F4-3200C14Q-32GTZSW (NE Link)
    > Video Card : 2x ASUS ROG STRIX-GTX1070-O8G-GAMING (NE Link)


    <<< LGA1366 System Summary >>>
    > Power Supply:
    >>>Original PSU (2011-01) :
    Corsair 620HX (NE Link)
    >>>Upgrade PSU (2012-01) : CORSAIR AX850 (CMPSU-850AX) 850W (NE Link)
    > Chipset : Intel X58
    > Mainboard : Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R (REV.2.0) (FB BIOS)
    (NE Link MPP Link)
    > Processor : i7-950 (Revision D0) 3.0GHz @3.84GHz
    (NE Link MPP Link)
    > HSF:
    Noctua NH-D14 (NE Link MPP Link)
    > Physical Memory :
    >>>Original RAM (2011-01) : G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Model F3-12800CL9T-6GBNQ
    >>>Upgrade RAM (2012-01) : Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 12GB (3 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 2000 (PC3 16000) w/FrostByte Heatsink Model 998990 (NE Link MPP Link OverClockersClub Dot Com Article)
    > Video Card :
    >>>Original Vid Card (2011-01) : BFG Geforce GTX295 (
    NE Link)
    >>>Upgrade Vid Card(2012-01) : (2) EVGA 02G-P3-1568-KR GTX 560 Ti (2GB)-SLI (
    NE Link)
    >>>Upgrade Vid Card(2013-07) : (2) GTX 760-SLI Gigabyte GV-N760OC-4GB (NE Link)
    > DVD-Rom Drive : TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203B ATA Device
    > Monitor :
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    > Operating System : Windows 7 Ultimate
    > Case : COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942-KKN1 Black Steel (
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    <<< LGA775 System Summary >>>
    > Power Supply: Corsair 620HX (
    NE Link)
    > Mainboard : Gigabyte P35-S3G (F2 BIOS)
    > Chipset : Intel P35
    > Processor : Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale (Revision C0) 3.0GHz @ 3950 MHz
    > HSF: Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro
    > Physical Memory : CORSAIR DOMINATOR 4GB (2 x 2GB) (
    Link)
    > Video Card : BFG Geforce GTX295
    > DVD-Rom Drive : TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203B ATA Device
    >
    Monitor : ViewSonic Pro Series VP2655wb Black 26"
    > Operating System : Windows 7 Ultimate


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