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    Default GA-G31M-ES2L & Intel E5200- First Overclock Help Needed

    Hi everybody!
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    I tried to OC using the sticky guide & now noticed when i sometimes restart from vista, it fails to post, turns off and loads default settings. If i start the pc from when its off, it loads up fine to windows, runs great & doesn’t overheat.

    Can someone please look at my settings and can let me know if any needs changing. Its a E5200 rated up to 1.3625V.
    Ram: Kingston Kit 4gb (2x2gb) KVR800D2N6K2/4G 1.8v (+/-0.5v) (No timings displayed on data sheet)
    Video: Gigabyte Radeon HD4550 Pci-e 16x 512mb
    Vista 32x running latest bios for the mb (not using the beta)

    CPU Enhanced Halt & EIST is Disabled. Setting in bios:

    Robust Graphics Booster Auto
    CPU Clock Ratio 12x
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio 0.5
    CPU Freq 266 (3.33Ghz)
    PCI Express Freq 102
    Performance Enhace Standard
    System memory multiplier 2.66

    Cas Latency Time 6
    Ras to Cas Delay 6
    Ras Precharge 6
    Precharge Delat (tras) 18
    Advanced Timing Control on all Auto

    System Voltage Control Manual
    DDR2 Overvoltage Normal
    FSB Overvoltage +0.1v
    CPU GTLREF Voltage Ratio 0.67
    CPU Voltage Control 1.35000v

    Core 1 temp IDLE 37
    Core 2 temp IDLE 37
    Core 1 temp LOAD 51
    core 2 temp LOAD 52

    I just tried it again and it just restarted from windows with no problems at post so it only happens sometimes with the oc settings. I muse be close :)
    Ran memtest for the first 4 tests and no errors or big amounts of heat.
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    Default Re: GA-G31M-ES2L & Intel E5200 OC Problem



    A link to my ram is:
    Newegg.com - Kingston 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Desktop Memory

    Does anyone think the issue is because of the value type ram I have being CL6? If so can someone please recommend something better for this board so it can handle a overclock. Thankyou
    Last edited by frank351; 05-09-2009 at 08:38 AM.

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    Default Re: GA-G31M-ES2L & Intel E5200 OC Problem

    If I remember rightly, the E5200 runs as standard on a 200 FSB for 2.5GHz.

    It 's either some RAM settings stopping it from booting, or not enough processor voltage.

    The E5200 is the same basic Wolfdale core as the E7xxx and E8xxx series. Apart from the celeron, these are some of the lowest end CPUs Intel produce.

    I'm not saying the chips are no good, they're great and over clock well. However E5xxx are "binned" lower than other Wolfdales. This means that intel test chips as they are produced. Ones that do high clock speed on low volts get put in the premium (E8xxx) pile, slighly lesser chips or ones with faulty cache go into the E7xxx and E5xxx series piles, sometimes after any faulty cache is disabled.

    You could very well be in need of a much higher vCore to get stable at those speeds. There are quite a few E5200s doing 3.6-3.8GHz or more, but hardly ever at under 1.4-1.45v. For 4GHz you could need as much as 1.5-1.55v.

    In the advanced RAM timings, there may be a setting called "tRead" "Static tRead" or "Performance Level". This can cause problems if set too low.

    To best help you it would be useful if you could download a program called Memset, and post a screenshot of that. It will show what advanced timings are being set by the motherboard.

    Please post a shot of the program after you click the SPD button, so we can see what timings Kingston have programed into the module (their recommended settings).

    Download Memset from here: New Memory Tweaker for Intel Chipsets - XtremeSystems Forums, you want the first program mentioed in the post, not CPU-Tweaker.

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    Default Re: GA-G31M-ES2L & Intel E5200 OC Problem

    This is CAS6 ram, it does show the timings on your PDF >>
    http://www.valueram.com/datasheets/KVR800D2N6K2_4G.pdf

    Just so you know, in case you had been looking at a different PDF

    I Agree, I would like to see what Auto is giving you for all your memory timings as well. Especially tRD (Static tRead Value-Performance Level in Memset)

    Since your board does not offer MCH Voltage adjustments, you may always have issues with 4GB sadly

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    Default Re: GA-G31M-ES2L & Intel E5200 OC Problem

    Hey Psycho & Lsd,

    I have included the screenshots of MemSet from when its clocked and stock on optimized settings. Some interesting info you gave me about the cpu Psycho, thanks for letting me know i sure will take the quality aspect into consideration for my future cpu to be clocked :)

    Clocked to 3.33Ghz 266fsb




    Stock 2.50Ghz 200FSB


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    Default Re: GA-G31M-ES2L & Intel E5200 OC Problem

    I ended up changing the ram settings to the specs listed in Memset under 266Mhz as ive set it to that in bios and it seems fine now. The settings for the different Mhz (eg. 400 333 and 266) in memset, are they listed there so you can use those exact figures in bios? Like if I choose to use the 333Mhz for ram, I would then input all settings listed under it in memset for it in bios and it should be stable?
    If I use the 333mhz, it makes the ram run around 880mhz or somewhere around there, is it a problem if the ram is run higher than its rated 800?

    Keep the good replies coming :)

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    Default Re: GA-G31M-ES2L & Intel E5200 OC Problem

    If I understand you correctly, then no. The 400, 333 and 266 timing listings refer to the timings the RAM has been tested to at those speeds. For instance, DDR-800 runs at a clock speed of 400MHz, and the recommended timings for that are listed. 333 refers to timings should you run the RAM at DDR-667 and 266 refers to DDR-533.

    It quite clearly shows in Memset that when over clocked, your RAM is running at 355Mhz , or DDR-710.

    Sounds like you are talking about MCH Straps.
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    Default Re: GA-G31M-ES2L & Intel E5200 OC Problem

    WHat I meant is im currently running the ram at 2.66 multiplier and it runs at 710 but if I want to use 3.33 multiplier the ram runs around 880. Because its 800 ram could this cause stability issues?

    Instead of oc to 3.33ghz and ram 710 (2.66 multiplier)

    would

    3.00ghz and ddr 800 be better? (3.33 multiplier)

    Heres a screenshot with the 3.33 settings. Is this better than before?



    Thanks

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    Default Re: GA-G31M-ES2L & Intel E5200 OC Problem

    It could possibly cause issues.

    As your RAM is rated at 6-6-6-18 for DDR-800, you likely won't be able to get much more out of it at the tighter 5-5-5-15 timings.

    If you can get it stable, that's great, but there won't be much (virtually zero) real world performance loss running at 710.

    You could, if you wanted, run the processor on a 400MHz FSB, with the multiplier set to 8 or 8.5, and the ram at either 2.0B or 2.0D. That would mean you have exactly DDR-800, and it should improve memory bandwidth too. It might be difficult to get it stable, so you could try a 333 bus too, and a 10x multi. 333 should definately be ok.

    All RAM varies in the speeds it will do, and at what timings. For example, some memory IC's designed for DDR-667 have been sold in premium kits and can hit DDR-1200. That's the exception though, rather than the rule.
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