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    Default Advice needed for a GA-x48-DS4

    Hi all. I was hoping to get some simple advice on optimum setup for my bios as im getting very poor performance from my board.
    My specs are
    GA-x48-DS4 (REV 1.3 with F1 BIOS)
    Q6700 with Zalman 9500 cooler
    4gigOCZ Gold Edition (2x2GB) DDR2 PC2-8500C5
    Nvidia 9800+GTX superclocked (soon to be changed for an ATI card)
    Auzentech Xmeridian sound card
    1000w Enermax Galaxy psu.
    Vista 64 Ultimate


    Im very dissapointed overall with this new setup as its actualy worse than my 680I in terms of perfomance but looking through the BIOS there is a huge dif from the EVGA bios which was simple to use.
    Im not looking to overclock yet i just want the best settings possible for my machine. Overclocking will come laterwhen im more experienced using this board.
    If anyone can give me a 'Step By Step best sttings guide' or something id be very greatful.
    Thanks in advance
    Sheffield :)

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    Default Re: Advice needed for a GA-x48-DS4

    In what way do you feel your system is slower? Is it just the "feel" of it or have you run any comparative benchmarks such as SuperPI 1M, Everest RAM benchmark etc?

    The only advice I can give really is to:

    Make sure disk caching is enabled. Go to Device Manager, right click your hard disk and enable it under the Policies tab.

    Set the correct memory timings for your RAM in the MIT section of the BIOS

    Make sure the right RAM divider is set correctly so that your RAM runs at or close to its rated DDR-1066.

    There is also a BIOS F3b available, which may help performance (or may not). This update gives the board 45nm E0 stepping CPU support for later upgrades.

    If you fill in this BIOS template, we can see your settings and suggest how to tune them.

    Note, this template is from a DQ6, but most of it should be relevant. Anything that differs, you can edit to match your BIOS. Surrounding the template with the [CODE] tags when you post it makes it an easy to read scrollable box.

    Code:
    MB Intelligent Tweaker (MIT)
    Robust Graphics Booster...........:
    CPU Clock Ratio...................:
    CPU Frequency.....................:
    CPU Host Clock Control............:
    CPU Host Frequency(Mhz)...........:
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz).......:
    C.I.A.2...........................:
    Performance Enhance...............:
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD)....:
    Memory Frequency(Mhz).............:
    DRAM Timing Selectable ...........:
    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time (tCL)............:
    DRAM RAS# to CAS#  (tRCD).........:
    DRAM RAS# Precharge (tRP).........:
    Precharge Delay (tRAS)............:
    Advanced Timing Control
    ACT to ACT Delay(tRRD)............:
    Rank Write to READ Delay (tWTR)...:
    Write To Precharge Delay (tWR)....:
    Refresh to ACT Delay (tRFC).......: 
    Read To Precharge Delay (tRTP)....: 
    Static tREAD Value (tRD)..........:
    Static tREAD Phase Adj............: 
    Command Rate (CMD)................:
    Clock Driving and Skew Control
    CPU/PCIEX Clock Driving Control...:
    CPU Clock Skew Control............: 
    (G)MCH Clock Skew Control.........: 
    System Voltage Control () = Base Voltages
    DDR3 OverVoltage Control...(1.50v):
    PCI-E OverVoltage Control.,(1.50v):
    FSB OverVoltage Control....(1.10v):
    (G)MCH OverVoltage Control,(1.45v):
    CPU GTLREF1 Voltage*.......(67%)..:
    CPU GTLREF2 Voltage*.......(61%)..:
    Loadline Calibration..............:
    CPU Voltage Control...............:
    Normal CPU Vcore..................:
    Note: * Hidden Features Press [CTRL] + [F1] from main Menu to Access
    Advanced Bios Features
    CPU Multi-Threading...............:
    Limit CPUID Max to 3..............:
    No-Execute Memory Protect.........:
    CPU Enhanced Halt(CIE)............:
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2.............:
    CPU EIST Function.................:
    Virtuaalization Technology........:
    Coolermaster CM 690 II advance Case
    Corsair HX750 (CWT, 91%(80+ Gold rated @230V) single 62A 12V rail
    P55A-UD4 v2.0 @ F14
    Core i5 760 @ 20 x 201, 4.02GHz
    TRUE Black with a single Noctua NF-P12 pumping out 55 CFM @ 19db .
    2 x 2GB Mushkin Ridgeback (996902), @ 7-10-8-27, 2010-DDR, 1.66v
    2 x Gigabyte GTX 460 1024MB in SLI (Pre OC'd to 715MHz core and 1800MHz VRAM) @ 850 Core / 4100 Mem.
    Intel X25-M Boot Drive (OS and Programs) 200MB/s Read & 90MB/s Write
    Corsair X32 200MB/s Read & 100MB/s Write
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    Samsung F3 500GB Backup/Images
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    Default Re: Advice needed for a GA-x48-DS4

    Thankyou for that psycho101. It definatly takes much longer to boot and i have to wait a little before i can use the internet where as before it booted and i was ready. The only benchmark ive run was 3d mark 06. I know its not the best thing to use but i get 450 less than with my 680I. Ill fill out that template and post my results.
    One quick question. The ram divider thing. Im sorry but im not sure what that means. Would you be able to tell me then ill check that too.
    Thanks again for the help. I really appreciate it.
    Sheffield :)

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    Default Re: Advice needed for a GA-x48-DS4

    From filling out the template it'll be easy to see which divider you're using.

    A divider basically decides how fast to run the RAM and is tied to Frontside Bus frequency.

    If you have for example a processor on a 200MHz FSB, and some DDR-800 then the RAM divider used will be 4.00. 200 * 4.00 = 800.

    In truth, it realy should be called a 2.00 divider, and the 2.00 shoild be called a 1.00 divider, as PC2 RAM runs at an actual clock rate of half its rated DDR speed, it just transmits data "twice per 1MHz". Don't worry about this bit though, it's all pretty academic.

    Depending on how long you've had Vista running on this board, you may yet see some boot speed reduction as Superfetch does its job. Commonly accessed foles are cached in RAM to speed up loading times etc, it just takes time for Vista to build up a list.

    Did you do a fresh install after changing the board? If not I'd advise it, as changing a main board without re-installing is like doing major surgery with no anaesthetic... not recommended.
    Last edited by Psycho101; 05-20-2009 at 07:51 AM.
    Coolermaster CM 690 II advance Case
    Corsair HX750 (CWT, 91%(80+ Gold rated @230V) single 62A 12V rail
    P55A-UD4 v2.0 @ F14
    Core i5 760 @ 20 x 201, 4.02GHz
    TRUE Black with a single Noctua NF-P12 pumping out 55 CFM @ 19db .
    2 x 2GB Mushkin Ridgeback (996902), @ 7-10-8-27, 2010-DDR, 1.66v
    2 x Gigabyte GTX 460 1024MB in SLI (Pre OC'd to 715MHz core and 1800MHz VRAM) @ 850 Core / 4100 Mem.
    Intel X25-M Boot Drive (OS and Programs) 200MB/s Read & 90MB/s Write
    Corsair X32 200MB/s Read & 100MB/s Write
    WD Caviar Blue 640GB C (Steam, Games, Storage, Temp Files & Folders, etc)
    Samsung F3 500GB Backup/Images
    Noctua 1300RPM 19dB case fan (rear extraction)
    3 x 140 MM Coolermaster LED fans (one front intake, one top extraction, one side intake)
    Dell Ultra Sharp 2209WAf E-IPS @ 1680x1050

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    Default Re: Advice needed for a GA-x48-DS4

    Hi again. Thanks for the explanation. Very informative and very helpful.
    When i installed the new board i did a clean instal of Vista and its been running about 4 days now. Im not sure if thats long enough to get a decent list as im pretty new to vista only using it for a few weeks before i got the new motherboard.
    Heres the template

    Code:
    MB Intelligent Tweaker (MIT)
    Robust Graphics Booster...........:Auto
    CPU Clock Ratio...................:10x
    CPU Frequency.....................:2.66
    CPU Host Clock Control............:Enabled
    CPU Host Frequency(Mhz)...........:266
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz).......:Auto
    C.I.A.2...........................:Disabled
    Performance Enhance...............:Standard
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD)....:Auto
    Memory Frequency(Mhz).............:800
    DRAM Timing Selectable ...........:Manual
    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time (tCL)............:5
    DRAM RAS# to CAS#  (tRCD).........:5
    DRAM RAS# Precharge (tRP).........:6
    Precharge Delay (tRAS)............:18  Auto
    Advanced Timing Control
    ACT to ACT Delay(tRRD)............:3 auto
    Rank Write to READ Delay (tWTR)...:3 auto
    Write To Precharge Delay (tWR)....:6 auto
    Refresh to ACT Delay (tRFC).......:54 auto
    Read To Precharge Delay (tRTP)....:3 auto
    Static tREAD Value (tRD)..........:5 auto
    Static tREAD Phase Adj............:1 auto
    Command Rate (CMD)................:2 auto
    Clock Driving and Skew Control
    CPU/PCIEX Clock Driving Control...:800mv
    CPU Clock Skew Control............:normal
    (G)MCH Clock Skew Control.........:normal
    System Voltage Control () = Base Voltages
    DDR2 OverVoltage Control...(1.50v):+0.20v
    PCI-E OverVoltage Control.,(1.50v):normal
    FSB OverVoltage Control....(1.10v):normal
    (G)MCH OverVoltage Control,(1.45v):normal
    CPU GTLREF1 Voltage*.......(67%)..:normal
    CPU GTLREF2 Voltage*.......(61%)..:normal
    Loadline Calibration..............:auto
    CPU Voltage Control...............:1.20000v
    Normal CPU Vcore..................:1.32500v
    Note: * Hidden Features Press [CTRL] + [F1] from main Menu to Access
    
    Advanced Bios Features***Unable to activate this feature.
    
    CPU Multi-Threading...............:
    Limit CPUID Max to 3..............:
    No-Execute Memory Protect.........:
    CPU Enhanced Halt(CIE)............:
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2.............:
    CPU EIST Function.................:
    Virtuaalization Technology........:
    Thanks loads for this
    Sheffield :)

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    Default Re: Advice needed for a GA-x48-DS4

    Aha. You have your RAM slightly underclocked. It's running PC2-6400 rather than PC2-8500.

    Change your BIOS settings to the following and your lost performance should return:

    Code:
    MB Intelligent Tweaker (MIT)
    Robust Graphics Booster...........:Auto
    CPU Clock Ratio...................:10x
    CPU Frequency.....................:2.66
    CPU Host Clock Control............:Enabled
    CPU Host Frequency(Mhz)...........:266
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz).......: [100]
    C.I.A.2...........................:Disabled
    Performance Enhance...............:Standard
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD)....: [4.00A]
    Memory Frequency(Mhz).............:1066
    DRAM Timing Selectable ...........:Manual
    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time (tCL)............:5    set this and the other three timings all manually to what is here.
    DRAM RAS# to CAS#  (tRCD).........: 6
    DRAM RAS# Precharge (tRP).........:6          
    Precharge Delay (tRAS)............:18  
    Advanced Timing Control
    ACT to ACT Delay(tRRD)............:3 auto   These 8 timings are OK on Auto.
    Rank Write to READ Delay (tWTR)...:3 auto
    Write To Precharge Delay (tWR)....:6 auto
    Refresh to ACT Delay (tRFC).......:54 auto
    Read To Precharge Delay (tRTP)....:3 auto
    Static tREAD Value (tRD)..........:5 auto
    Static tREAD Phase Adj............:1 auto
    Command Rate (CMD)................:2 auto
    Clock Driving and Skew Control
    CPU/PCIEX Clock Driving Control...:800mv
    CPU Clock Skew Control............:normal
    (G)MCH Clock Skew Control.........:normal
    System Voltage Control () = Base Voltages
    DDR2 OverVoltage Control...(1.80v):+0.30v <-- brings VDIMM to rated 2.1V
    PCI-E OverVoltage Control.,(1.50v):normal
    FSB OverVoltage Control....(1.10v):normal
    (G)MCH OverVoltage Control,(1.45v):normal
    CPU GTLREF1 Voltage*.......(67%)..:normal
    CPU GTLREF2 Voltage*.......(61%)..:normal
    Loadline Calibration..............:auto
    CPU Voltage Control...............:1.20000v
    Normal CPU Vcore..................:1.32500v
    Note: * Hidden Features Press [CTRL] + [F1] from main Menu to Access
    
    Advanced Bios Features***Unable to activate this feature.
    
    CPU Multi-Threading...............:
    Limit CPUID Max to 3..............:
    No-Execute Memory Protect.........:
    CPU Enhanced Halt(CIE)............:
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2.............:
    CPU EIST Function.................:
    Virtuaalization Technology........:
    That should do the trick.

    In case the actual settings on your board are different from what I am assuming, basically you need to change the value of "System Memory Multiplier (SPD)....: [?]" until the Memory Frequency(Mhz) section reads 1066 next to it.

    My BIOS has a setting called (g)MCH Latch which can be left on [Auto] while changing the System Memory Multiplier settings. If your board has that entry, set to auto. Also note where I have entered "4.00A" next to "System Memory Multiplier (SPD)" your value may be the same or just "4.00. Either way, having a memory frequency of 1066 is the goal, so adjust accordingly.

    I've highlighted in red what you should change, including correct timings of 5-6-6-18 for your RAM, and a slight increase in voltage to the recommended 2.1V (you are allowed, by OCZ to increase to 2.15 but it's not needed).

    Let me know if that scores any better in 3D Mark. It should at least increase over all score by the missing 400 or so.
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    TRUE Black with a single Noctua NF-P12 pumping out 55 CFM @ 19db .
    2 x 2GB Mushkin Ridgeback (996902), @ 7-10-8-27, 2010-DDR, 1.66v
    2 x Gigabyte GTX 460 1024MB in SLI (Pre OC'd to 715MHz core and 1800MHz VRAM) @ 850 Core / 4100 Mem.
    Intel X25-M Boot Drive (OS and Programs) 200MB/s Read & 90MB/s Write
    Corsair X32 200MB/s Read & 100MB/s Write
    WD Caviar Blue 640GB C (Steam, Games, Storage, Temp Files & Folders, etc)
    Samsung F3 500GB Backup/Images
    Noctua 1300RPM 19dB case fan (rear extraction)
    3 x 140 MM Coolermaster LED fans (one front intake, one top extraction, one side intake)
    Dell Ultra Sharp 2209WAf E-IPS @ 1680x1050

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    Default Re: Advice needed for a GA-x48-DS4

    Right, i made the changes you suggested and although i have had a slight increase in my 3dmark score its still well below my old 680I board and still noticably slower in general.
    I still also cant get into the Advance Bios features no matter how many times i try.
    I dont think this board likes me very much..lol..

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    Default Re: Advice needed for a GA-x48-DS4

    Just had another go at getting the advanced options in Bios but no joy. Also i notcied that the memory has 2 speeds next to it.
    First is 800 then 1066.
    Which is the actual speed???
    Jeeeeeeeeeez im such a noob.....

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    Default Re: Advice needed for a GA-x48-DS4

    Na your not a noob Sheffield. We all started somewere. I would recommend updating to the latest BIOS F3B. Were there are two speeds 800 then 1066 1066 is next to the 800 on the right??? If so then its probably not dulled like the 800 which means that 800 is what your MB is detecting to be the "standard" speed (so to speak) and 1066 is what you have manually told it it is. (sometime the MB gets it wrong)

    Silly question but did you do a fresh install of windows with the new MB and all that?

    Also make sure your running your memory in Dual Channel Mode. IE put the two sticks in the same color slots. Slot 1 and 3
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    Default Re: Advice needed for a GA-x48-DS4

    Thanks for your reply NimrodAUS
    Yes i did a fresh instal of windows when i put the new board in and ive got the ram in the same colour slots (slot 1 and slot 3). When i boot up it tells me my memory Dual Channel Interleaved. Im assuming that this means i have them in the right slots but i could be wrong..lol..
    Also you are correct what you say about the memory speed. 800 on the left and 1066 on the right. Thanks NimrodAUS. I appreciate you taking the time to help me.
    I also appreciate you saying im not a noob. I was ok with my last board but i feel very out of my depth with this one. I suppose its a lesson for me to update my hardware more frequently so im not so out of touch when i do update :)
    Thanks again.

    Sheffield :)

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