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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho101 View Post
    I agree moshpit. However in the UK, Core i7 Kit is a bit more expensive unfortunately. I could probably scrape together a whole i7 system for the same price as a QX9770, but I'd have to take short cuts on maybe the case, GFX and PSU.

    For example the HD4890 is 190, which converts to $302, a TX750 is the equivalent of $180, and a nice Lian Li case to place it all in would run to $150 +. The QX9770 is around the same price. Cheaper in some places. Maybe they've realised it's not 1000 worth of tech any more.

    If in the US though what you say is absolutely correct, and it makes the QX9700 look like a joke, both in price point and performance. A D0 920 could possibly be OC'd to 4GHz+ depending on board used and skill, so that's a sweet deal.
    It's almost my exact setup except I indeed did have to take a few more shortcuts much like you said. A HD4870 instead of a 4890, 650TX instead of the 750TX, that kind of thing. But, my total was ALOT less then the above since I was able to reuse alot of stuff. I already had 4 750Gb drives, the 4870 was actually purchased as an upgrade for my Q6600 rig's 8800GTS that ended up in this rig instead. The tower case it's all in is 6 years old and has had more generations of hardware come and go through it then is easily countable. This case isn't even made anymore, but it's still holding it's own just fine. Tt Lanfire, ancient by PC terms, but still kicking to this day with all original fans still working and all EL and LED lights working. Already had a monitor, mouse and keyboard. OS's arn't even a question of an issue.

    All told, I only had to really buy the CPU, mobo, ram, and power supply for this build I'm on now. So with around 600 bucks, I'm whooping any stock QX9770 :p
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    Default Re: Trying To Overclock Pentium 4 HT 3.73 Extreme Edition!

    Hi Again,
    I just had one last thing to add to this posting. That is if anyone is even looking at it anymore.
    I just wanted to state that I found a Core 2 Quad Q9650 for $200.00! But I have not been able to find any good reviews about overclocking this processor?
    Do you think this is a good candidate for overclocking and replacing my old P-4 EE? Also, does the 1333 Mhz FSB really make that big of a difference as compared to the 1600 Mhz FSB of the Core 2 Extreme QX9770? Because that is the only difference I can see between the 2 processors, is the different Front Side Bus speeds.
    Do you really think that there would be that much of a difference between the Q9650 and the QX9770, as in terms of overall performance?
    And also, do you think it is possible to achieve 4.00 Ghz? Not that that is necessary, but just curious.

    Thanks and Please Reply Once More about this subject!

    MattR.

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    The two differences are the default FSB speed and the multiplier. The eXtreme processor has an upwardly unlocked multi, ie you can raise it as high as you want, overclocking without raising the FSB.

    The Q9650 will most likely clock just as far. It's going to be an E0 quad core, meaning it's based on the same stepping as the E0 E8xxx CPUs that are getting to 4.3GHz on air, and 4.5-4.7GHz on water. There are threads on the first 2 pages of this forum with Q9550 E0's over 4GHz, so it's going to be even easier on a Q9650.

    If you overclock the Q9650 you'll have to raise the FSB, but that's not a bad thing. You'll probably settle at a FSB between 450 and 475, for between 4050MHz and 4275MHz. The high (ish) FSB should be no problem for your DDR3, just requiring a multiplier adjustment. If it were DDR2, I'd recommend you grab some PC2-8500 modules, but DDR3 1600 on a 3.33 multi will be almost bang on.
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    Default Re: Trying To Overclock Pentium 4 HT 3.73 Extreme Edition!

    Thanks For the Reply!
    One other thing is, why don't most of the new Intel Processors have Hyperthreading Technology anymore?
    And if they do which ones are they? I can't seem to find a Core 2 Duo or Core 2 Quad that has that feature? Unless the i7's do?

    Anyway, I just want to say thank you very much for all the replies! I have been learning a lot lately in regards to computers. And it's nice to find a sight that has some knowledgeable people to talk to and ask a few questions and get some opinions and facts!

    Thanks to all and take care!

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    None of the Core range of CPU's has it. Companies have a tendency to "drip feed" the public more and more powerful tech, so I guess Core architecture was a good enough performance increase to be able to omit HyperThreading. Core i7 does indeed implement it though. It has 4 physical cores, each capable of running 2 threads for a total of 8 "cores". To be honest, there aren't many programs out there capable of taking advantage of it. Hopefully software will evolve to the point where it scales better with cores/virtual cores. Until then though, you aren't missing out on all that much, unless you're heavily into VM, video/audio etc.
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    Well,
    That is kind of a bummer. That is a lot of what I do is one, Muti-Track Recording Using Cubase and Waves Plug-ins/Editing Tools. I also have 6 Virtual Operating Systems that I use on a regular basis. One being Windows Server 2008.
    So, do you think I can still get by with the Q9650 for now, with no problems and be satisfied with the performance?
    I will have to plan on looking into building another computer in the near future. One that includes an i7 CPU!
    Oh, also I use SolidWorks all the time to design things. Some of the assemblies are pretty complicated and when put into motion, they use a lot of CPU power! Also, I use Revit, Arch. Desktop and 3D VIS and when I render things with a bunch of detail it can take forever! Or when I revolve models like buildings with lots of detail and features it can drag/jump pretty good! I know this has a lot to do with the graphics card, but compared with the Pentium 4 HT EE, it has to make a big difference using the Q9650 I would think? Even without the Hyperthreading?

    Please Reply,

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    Four physical Core 2 cores compared to one Netburst core emulating two will be a huge performance leap.

    Hyperthreading would increase performance further, no doubt, but it wouldn't be exactly night and day.
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