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    Default Trying To Overclock Pentium 4 HT 3.73 Extreme Edition!

    Hi There,
    I have a new Gigabyte GA-EP45C-UD3R Motherboard. And am Running a Pentium 4 HT 3.73 GHz Extreme Edition Processor with Patriot PC3-16000 (2000 MHz) Memory 4 GB (2x2GB).
    I can get it to overclock to 4.2 GHz, but it isn't stable when I use Video or T.V. Tuner? It Shuts Down all the time! Mainly when I shut the application down, or when I try and do something else at the same time as watching T.V. or Video? Like browsing the Internet, Typing letter, Etc.!!!
    Oh, I am using an ATI All-In-Wonder HD Graphics Card. It is the newest card they make in the All-In-Wonder line. It has a built in T.V. Tuner.

    I have been messing with BIOS settings, with not much luck. I have the timming of the R.A.M. set to 9-9-9-24. And 2.0 Volts. This is what I have read about the timming of this particular R.A.M. That is what is recommended.
    Also, I have the Advanced Timing Control set to 3-4-6-56-2. And then the Channel A Static tRead Value to 7 and the Channel B Static tRead Value to 7. With the rest of these settings set to Auto.

    As for the rest of the settings I haven't messed with them other than setting the CPU Voltage to 1.4 Volts.

    Can Anyone Please Help Me Get This To Run More Stable At 4.2GHz!!!

    I can't understand why the benchmark tests I run using Everest Home Edition Won't Come in First Place. Only 2 Times Has It Running At 4.2 GHz!!
    I would lower the clock speed some, but if I run it at the Factory Setting of 3.73 GHz it doesn't even compete with the other computers on the bench mark tests? I don't understand this? I have the best of everything and it can't even compete with the lowest Pentium 4 Processors on the Bench Mark Test!!! Why?

    I forgot to mention I am Using a WD Raptor 10,000 R.P.M. Hard Drive as my boot drive.

    Anyway, any help would be greatly appreciated!!! I would be willing to pay someone for some expertise in overclocking this Processor.

    Thanks and Hope To Hear From Someone Soon!!!

    MattR.
    Revripp1@Myway.com

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    Default Re: Trying To Overclock Pentium 4 HT 3.73 Extreme Edition!

    First off, your using a Core 2 optimized platform for a Pentium 4. P45 is backwards compatible with P4, sure. But it's so unoptimized that it's unsurprising that it performs worse then the same CPU on an optimized platform. Secondly, you'd get WAY better performance out of a nice and cheap Core 2 chip on that platform, easily smoking the P4 with MUCH lower clock speeds. Lastly, overclocking the P4 3.73Ghz chip is an exercise in futility. The performance difference between 3.73 and 4.2Ghz will be so minimal that you're starting to see why Intel didn't even bother going over 3.8Ghz on that architecture.

    Your willingness to pay somebody to get that CPU overclocked should be refocused on just getting a decent Core 2 chip to run on that mobo. You'll have far less headaches to deal with.
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    Default Re: Trying To Overclock Pentium 4 HT 3.73 Extreme Edition!

    U can pay for someone to OC it by 300 mhz until it evaporates due to heat and power output!
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    Default Re: Trying To Overclock Pentium 4 HT 3.73 Extreme Edition!

    I agree with the sentiments of the above posts.

    P4's aren't worth the hastle any more.

    Buy yourself the best Exxxx series Core 2 Duo you can afford, and eBay your P4. You might get something for it, I've seen Pentium 4 D 's go for ~35. You may get 10-15 for yours.

    You'd be extremely pleased with an E5200. The chip would out perform your ancient P4 at its default frequency, probably at least 2 x the performance. It can also be over clocked any where between 3.2 and 3.6GHz, putting it in direct competition with, and in most cases (at 3.6GHz) faster than an E8600.
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    Default Re: Trying To Overclock Pentium 4 HT 3.73 Extreme Edition!

    Thanks,
    You guys are probably right about focussing on getting a new Core 2 Processor of some type.
    But, I just wanted to try and get as much use out of this old Pentium 4 as I could. And I wanted to see what kind of speeds I could get out of it when using new motherboard, memory, etc.!
    Because most applications are not written to take advantage of multi-core processors anyway. So, I would think that having a single core such as my 3.73 Ghz EE overclocked to 4.2 Ghz would run most single applications faster than most any multi-core processors. As long as the application isn't taking advantage of the mutiple cores? Right?

    MattR.

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    Default Re: Trying To Overclock Pentium 4 HT 3.73 Extreme Edition!

    Nope, even on purely single threaded aplications a Core 2 with a core disabled, at 2.5GHz would beat a 4.2GHz P4 to a bloody pulp.

    For example, SuperPI is a single threaded application that calculates the mathematical constant PI to a specified number of decimal places. A P4 at 4GHz will likely complete PI to 1 million decimal places in 37-40 seconds depending a little on RAM timings and speed. A 2.5GHz Core 2 will complete the same task in around 25 seconds.

    Intel's Core architecture is just much more efficient, MHz for MHz than the old Netburst architecture. Netburst is 9 years old, it was introduced in 2000 with the introduction of the Willamette core, and was well overdue for replacement.


    Many applications are actually multithreaded. Windows itself is multithreaded, and is capable of spreading load over both/all four cores, to a certain extent. Even the most crudely optimised programs that are designed for multi cores benefit from them to a noticable extent. An example of a poor implementation of multi threading would be a game using one CPU for physics, ai, feeding info to the GPU and another core processing sould information. Hardly true multi threading, but it all still works faster than on a single CPU.

    Overclocking your processor would be a fun little project. You could always see how far you can push it, bench it and see what you get. However if you're pinning your hopes on being able to overclock it and use it as your 24/7 machine, you'll be disappointed.

    Save it if you like, it might be valuable in 50 years time, if it still works, but other than that, save up a few shiny dollar-pounds for a cheap C2D, I got a sweet deal on an E7400 on eBay, I'm sure you could do similar.
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    Default Re: Trying To Overclock Pentium 4 HT 3.73 Extreme Edition!

    Hi Again,
    Thanks, For all the info! I think I will buy a new CPU. But I think if I am going to get one I think I will look at getting a Quad-Core. What do you think would be the best one for the money in your opinion?
    I was looking at the Core 2 Extreme QX9770 or QX9650, but the price is outragous!
    Also, is the P45 chipset good for running/overclocking Quad-Core CPU's? I guess my question is: Is this a good motherboard in your opinion for running/overclocking quad-core's? Or would I be better off running a Dual-Core with this board?

    Thanks Again and Take Care,

    MattR.
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    Default Re: Trying To Overclock Pentium 4 HT 3.73 Extreme Edition!

    I own an EP45-UD3P, and it's excellent for overclocking quads and dual cores. Your board will be around the same, only difference is DDR2 vs your DDR3.

    QX procesors, since Core i7 came out are a complete rip off. For the price of a QX9770, you could byuy an i7 920 and a decent X58 motherboard. Really not worth the price IMO.

    For the best bang for buk, go for an E5200. You will probably reach a bare minimum of 3GHz to 3.2GHz, and if your skill, cooling and luck allow maybe up to 3.8GHz (water cooling may be needed). For an almost guaranteed 3.4GHz + get an E7200, E7300 or E7400. My eBay jobbie is running as we speak at 3.9GHz, stable (so far).

    Depending on where you live an E5200 can be had for 50/$69 and an E7400 for 100/$120.
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    You made a good point that was CLOSE to accurate. In fact, for the price of a QX9770, you can get a Core i7 920, a Gigabyte X58-UD3R, 6Gb DDR3 1333mhz, Geforce GTX275 or Radeon HD4890. Literally a whole PC, CPU, mobo, vid card, hard drives, power supply, everything. And the whole PC will be faster then the PC you build around the QX9770 overall.

    Core i7 920 - 220 dollars at Microcenter
    Gigabyte EX58-UD3R - 189.00 Newegg
    6Gb OCZ DDR3 1333 - 89.00 Newegg
    Geforce GTX275/Radeon HD4890 - 240.00 Newegg
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    WD Caviar Black 750Gb - 120.00 Newegg
    DVDRW 20x - 50.00 Newegg
    good ATX mid-tower - 100.00
    Total= barely breaks over $1100.00


    Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9770 - 1400.00 ZipZoomFly

    And, just to add insult to injury to the poor QX9770, if you take the above list of parts, but the full budget for just the chip on the QX9770, you have 300 dollars left to spend on a badass monitor, or a decent monitor, keyboard and mouse combo, or if you have all the periphrels you need already, then 300 dollars buys a KILLER water cooling setup to overclock that i7 920 to 4Ghz with. If you manage to get one of the newer D0 stepping 920's, that plus water cooling should mean 4.2Ghz is an easy target with comfortable temps and voltages.
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    Default Re: Trying To Overclock Pentium 4 HT 3.73 Extreme Edition!

    I agree moshpit. However in the UK, Core i7 Kit is a bit more expensive unfortunately. I could probably scrape together a whole i7 system for the same price as a QX9770, but I'd have to take short cuts on maybe the case, GFX and PSU.

    For example the HD4890 is 190, which converts to $302, a TX750 is the equivalent of $180, and a nice Lian Li case to place it all in would run to $150 +. The QX9770 is around the same price. Cheaper in some places. Maybe they've realised it's not 1000 worth of tech any more.

    If in the US though what you say is absolutely correct, and it makes the QX9700 look like a joke, both in price point and performance. A D0 920 could possibly be OC'd to 4GHz+ depending on board used and skill, so that's a sweet deal.
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