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    Default ex58-extreme advice please

    Hello all, after reading the entire XS thread on this mobo I feel I have a decent understanding of whats going on.
    However whenever I change something signifigant in the BIOS or after being on for a while, my computer doesnt post right away; I have to boot around 8 times to get it to post. After much reading it seams this behavior is normal occasionaly. It seems to happen almost every time i change the BCLK!

    For starters my system is:
    i7 920 C0
    gigabyte ex58-extreme
    6GB kingston hyperX
    900w ABS ps
    asus 4870x2(the one with the fans on it)
    120gb sata drive
    nothing else connected

    i'm running f8b bios, which seems very stable. When my rig boots it runs great. I dont have much oc at all, and the non booting thing happens with oc'ing or stock.

    My major question is, is this normal behavior from this board? Also when waiting for it to boot properly I switch between pressing the power button
    and turning the switch on the ps off; does one work better?

    Thanks for all your help!
    Last edited by ghost_deini; 05-27-2009 at 12:42 PM.

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    Default Re: ex58-extreme advice please

    It seems alot of people are crediting this issue to a lacking power supply. I almost just ordered a corsair 1000hx (my abs has a little too much bling for me anyway) but I came across a TT review of my ps which it faired well in.

    If this only happend a few times or if it didnt take 20 plus tries to post I wouldn't really care. I almost never turn my machine off, but when I do I usally working on it and I want it boot right back up. Also I only have one HDD connected now, normally i would have around 7 connected but I dont want the drives to be ruined by starting and stoping soo much.

    I'm still within my 30 days and I'm getting anxious weather to return it or not. Either way i plan to send my chip back to play the lottery again and hope for a D0.

    Update: I just got an error about the bios being corrupted; it said it restored, i reset my settings, on the reboot it didnt post but on the second try it was up and running.

    Any Suggestions?
    Last edited by ghost_deini; 05-28-2009 at 05:05 AM.

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    Default Re: ex58-extreme advice please

    I also didnt mention I'm running pc3-16000 hyperx. I've raised the voltage to 1.64 because I also read of some modules requiring 1.65V to boot. (I havent played with voltages much, I was runing at like 3.2ghz with no voltage increase so I just didnt bother with it yet)
    However this seems to have no effect? I'm running out of ideas, so anyone has ANY suggestions I'll be very glad to here them

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    Default Re: ex58-extreme advice please

    Nothing to do with your PSU. You could run all that on a Corsair 620W, never mind 1000W.

    Re-boot loops are overclock/BIOS setting related.

    Don't have an i7 system myself, so I'll leave it to someone who does to advise on the settings you should tweak. Search this forum for a BIOS templare and add your settings to it. It's the only real way people will be able to advise you.
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    Default Re: ex58-extreme advice please

    I have still not fixed this issue, I just came across some interesting stuff about my power supply. ABS Tagan BZ900 is known (admitted by an ABS rep on newegg) to compatablity issues with x58 boards, specifically evga.

    Code:
    Advanced CPU Features:
    CPU Clock Ratio ................................ [20x]
    Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech .................. [Enabled]
    CPU Cores Enabled ............................ [All]
    CPU Multi Threading .......................... [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ................... [Disabled]
    C3/C6/C7 State Support .................... [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor ......................... [Disabled]
    CPU EIST Function ............................ [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology[/URL] ................... [Disabled]
    Bi-Directional PROCHOT ..................... [Disabled]
    
    Uncore & QPI Features:QPI Link Speed .............................. 36x
    Uncore Frequency ..........................  24
    Isonchronous Frequency ..................[Enabled]
    
    Standard Clock Control:
    Base Clock (BCLK) Control ................ [Enabled]
    BCLK Frequency (MHz) ..................... 144
    PCI Express Frequency (MHz) ........... [Auto]
    C.I.A.2 [Disabled]
    
    Advanced Clock Control:
    CPU Clock Drive ..............................[800mV]
    PCI Express Clock Drive ................... [900mV]
    CPU Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
    IOH Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
    
    Advanced DRAM Features:
    Performance Enhance ...................... [Turbo]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P) ......... [Disabled] 
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD) ........ [12]
    DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) .......... [Quick]
    
    Channel A + B + C
    Channel A Timing Settings:
    ##Channel A Standard Timing Control##
    CAS Latency Time ...................... 8 Auto
    tRCD ....................................... 8 Auto
    tRP ......................................... 8 [7]
    tRAS ....................................... 20 Auto
    
    ##Channel A Advanced Timing Control##
    tRC ........................................ 27 Auto (Should be = tRAS + tRP or above for stability)
    tRRD ....................................... 4 Auto
    tWTR ...................................... 4 Auto
    tWR ........................................ 8 Auto
    tWTP ....................................... 19
    tWL ........................................ 7 (tWTP Must = tWR + tWL + 4)
    tRFC ....................................... 60 Auto
    tRTP ....................................... 4 Auto
    tFAW ...................................... 16 Auto
    Command Rate (CMD) ................ 1 Auto
    
    ##Channel A Misc Timing Control##
    Round Trip Latency ................... 61 Auto
    
    Advanced Voltage Control:CPU
    Load Line Calibration ................. [Enabled]
    CPU Vcore ............................... 1.28750V Auto
    QPI/VTT Voltage 1.150v ............ 1.150V Auto
    CPU PLL 1.800v ....................... 1.800V Auto
    
    MCH/ICH
    PCIE 1.500v ........................... 1.500V Auto
    QPI PLL 1.100v ....................... 1.100V Auto
    IOH Core 1.100v ..................... 1.100V Auto
    ICH I/O 1.500v .......................1.500V Auto
    ICH Core 1.1v ........................ 1.100V Auto
    
    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage 1.500v .............. 1.500V Auto
    DRAM Termination ................. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-A Data VRef. ................. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-B Data VRef. ................. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-C Data VRef. ................. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-A Address VRef. ................. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-B Address VRef. ................. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-C Address VRef. ................. 0.750v [AUTO]
    </PRE>
    Last edited by ghost_deini; 06-01-2009 at 05:28 AM.

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    Default Re: ex58-extreme advice please

    If it's a PSU compatability issue (conflicts with APFC, OCP, too much ripple on rails etc) do you have a spare power supply at hand to be able to test?

    PSU incompatability although rare is possible, but if you do replace it, the meaning of my above post was in regards to PSU capacity, so save yourself some cash by not getting a 1000W unit.

    Corsair have just released their new modular HX PSUs in smaller 750W and 850W capacities. I say smaller, but these are high capacity units. 750W / 850W is alot of power.

    I can't recommend these new PSUs enough, and have canceled my plans to get a TX series / BFG ES. They're extremely efficient (~86% on US 120V and near 90% on UK 230V) and are based on a new CWT design. This design uses top spec 105c rated capacitors and DC to DC VRMs, which means the 5V and 3.3V rails are converted from 12V rather than AC mains. The Channel Well Technology design it uses is the DSG.

    With a 7 year warranty, these PSU's are going to last an extremely long time, have six 6+2 pin PCI-e connectors and twelve of each molex and SATA power.

    A reliable review is here: [H] Enthusiast - Corsair HX850W Power Supply
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    Default Re: ex58-extreme advice please

    I only have a Thermaltake 660W which wasnt enough to run my 4870x2 on my old am2 system, so not really. I was just checking out corsair psu's on newegg. the 850 looks nice but the 1000 is only $40 more. I have no problem with the extra cash b/c i may get another 4870x2. My main concern is are both units the same quality? I noticed the 1000hx is ATX12V 2.2 spec and the 850hx is ATX12V 2.3; I didnt see a major difference between the 2 specs. Basically I want the psu that be the most compatible (with different systems not just i7) and allow for me to upgrade my system however I want.

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    Default Re: ex58-extreme advice please

    This is only IMO, but the HX850 is a better quality unit. The 1000W is basically two 550W units in the same housing, joined together internally.

    The HX750 and HX850 are both brand new designs, and I believe the first example of CWT's DSG design.

    Both new HX's are more efficient than the 1000W, and have as much potential for upgrades. The 850W can output up to 840W on its 12V rail, for a total of 75A. Both PSUs also have superior rail noise and ripple levels, are more efficient, therefore running cooler and also quieter. Should anything go wrong (unlikely) they also have a 7 year warranty compared to the 1000W's 5 year one.

    The 850W unit will handle two 4870X2's no problem. The older TX model is on the AMD support list for that exact setup, and the HX is superior. It's not on the list yet, but only because it's so new. A link to the official AMD forum supports this: AMD Game Forums - 2 4870x2 PSU

    I would think carefully about adding another X2 though. Performance gains are minimal, and a heavy CPU overclock would be needed for them to even begin to stretch their legs. anything less than 3.6GHz would bottleneck them, and performance gains would be seen well beyond 4GHz, i7 or Core 2. Have a look at Tweaktowns review of two 4870X2's. Performance in Crysis actually goes down with the second card added. Plus there's the fact that in more CPU limited games or those without good crossfire scaling you'll see no difference. Sapphire Radeon HD 4870 X2 in CrossfireX Benchmarks Crysis :: TweakTown
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    TRUE Black with a single Noctua NF-P12 pumping out 55 CFM @ 19db .
    2 x 2GB Mushkin Ridgeback (996902), @ 7-10-8-27, 2010-DDR, 1.66v
    2 x Gigabyte GTX 460 1024MB in SLI (Pre OC'd to 715MHz core and 1800MHz VRAM) @ 850 Core / 4100 Mem.
    Intel X25-M Boot Drive (OS and Programs) 200MB/s Read & 90MB/s Write
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    WD Caviar Blue 640GB C (Steam, Games, Storage, Temp Files & Folders, etc)
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    Default Re: ex58-extreme advice please

    I just like the possibility of another 4870x2 i doubt i would actually do it. I bought the 850hx and had it overnighted. I have until the 8th to rma my board; I hope I wont have to. Thanx for the advice on the Corsair, I hope it's as good as everyone says

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    Default Re: ex58-extreme advice please

    I'm positive you won't be disappointed.

    One more week and I'll be able to order mine too, can't wait.

    If you do fancy a bit more GPU power, remember that you can CrosfireX with a 4870X2 and a single 4870. It uses less power, and does increase performance. It's just about the sweetspot as far as crossfire goes, and at the least will alow you to crank up the AA (24x CFAA always on sounds good), as long as your CPU can keep up.
    Coolermaster CM 690 II advance Case
    Corsair HX750 (CWT, 91%(80+ Gold rated @230V) single 62A 12V rail
    P55A-UD4 v2.0 @ F14
    Core i5 760 @ 20 x 201, 4.02GHz
    TRUE Black with a single Noctua NF-P12 pumping out 55 CFM @ 19db .
    2 x 2GB Mushkin Ridgeback (996902), @ 7-10-8-27, 2010-DDR, 1.66v
    2 x Gigabyte GTX 460 1024MB in SLI (Pre OC'd to 715MHz core and 1800MHz VRAM) @ 850 Core / 4100 Mem.
    Intel X25-M Boot Drive (OS and Programs) 200MB/s Read & 90MB/s Write
    Corsair X32 200MB/s Read & 100MB/s Write
    WD Caviar Blue 640GB C (Steam, Games, Storage, Temp Files & Folders, etc)
    Samsung F3 500GB Backup/Images
    Noctua 1300RPM 19dB case fan (rear extraction)
    3 x 140 MM Coolermaster LED fans (one front intake, one top extraction, one side intake)
    Dell Ultra Sharp 2209WAf E-IPS @ 1680x1050

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