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    Default Re: I'm New and my GA-EP45-UD3P won't POST Help!

    You guys are awesome I can't wait to get home and start trying some solutions.

    I'm very impressed by all the specific knowledge of Wattage etc. That helps me enormously if not in fixing my comp but to at least educate myself about it. I guess I need to learn how to find and read tech specs like W's and Voltage more. I have always lacked confidance in knowing exactly how to match hardware other than the Buss speed and clock timings. One of the reasons I only OC'ed my old P4 2.8 to 3.1 long ago when P4 was awesome =D.

    BTW as for those steps about Power off, switch off and push button to discharge the accumulated power, just so everyone knows I've been doing that since umm probably my 2nd PC I built about 5 years go, So Ive got that covered!. However I do still worry about static charges, I try my best to be touching the metal caseing, and usually have rubber shoes on most of the time anyway.

    I really hope its the PSU, but I suspect the Mobo, but that could just be b/c Mobos are just more mysterious lol or rather more areas can break on it.

    Now to convince work to let me borrow a PC so I can use its PSU lol
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    Default Re: I'm New and my GA-EP45-UD3P won't POST Help!

    Updates yay.

    Ok so I finnaly got to work on this pc again.

    1. Took everything out of the case and put on cardboard type surface.
    2. Found a 420W PSU and started testing!
    Ok im not sure if this caused any problems but the Mobo as you most know has a 8pin additional power port, and the ATX is 4 ports larger than this older PSU has. I dunno if that would cause power problems, I have put together systems like this before and everything seemed to work fine, but just wanted to ask you guys to cover all my bases.

    Results for all test: Still continues beeping and no Post. and "reboot" loop.

    I tried testing with no video card, tried with video card, tryed with only the ATX plugged in and the CPU fan wouldn't even spin up (obviously it didn't have enough power right?).

    Ok so now my question is this the end of the road, Is it the CPU or the Mobo, or was the 420W not a good test? What part should I RMA?

    If the company that my friend got the PC from has a warranty can I send the CPU attached to the Mobo and get them back fully functional???

    Looks like this might be the end of the road
    Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P rev. 1.0
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    Default Re: I'm New and my GA-EP45-UD3P won't POST Help!

    I have a few questions:

    Did I read correctly that the machine once worked fine? But that then it started giving your friend trouble, so he gave it to you? At what point did it start to give him problems? Had he ever "tweaked" it himself? If so, can he tell you what he did to it?

    Was this machine built or canned? In other words, did your friend go somewhere and use a web-app to select components for the machine which was then put together and sent to him; or, did he buy it at a box store ready to go?

    Regarding the 4+4 CPU Power, you said that the PSU that you used to test it only had one 4 pin connector; what did the PSU in the case have? Was the 4+4 filled?

    When you took out the guts and set them up outside of the case, did you first clear the CMOS before you plugged everything in and turned it on? As a side note, I have found with my EP45-UD3P that simply unplugging the PSU for a prolonged period of time tends to reset the BIOS to default. Maybe its just me.

    Now that it is sitting on a table or somesuch and easily visible, have you checked it closely front and back to see if there are any obvious signs of damage? Scorch marks? Gashes? Scratches? Broken slots?

    Reaching here, but sometimes its all in the details.
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex St. John
    Consider for a moment that what we think of as “intelligence” is the byproduct of a computing architecture that depends on massive parallelism to interact with the world in real time without stalling for progress bars. If our ancestors’ brains had depended on running Vista on current dual-core processors for their survival, they would have been eaten by bears.

    Best Quote Ever...
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho101
    Obey the one and only rule without question when you overclock.... don't cause a fire. Fires are hot and burny... not good.
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    Default Re: I'm New and my GA-EP45-UD3P won't POST Help!

    Here is basically the exact PC he bought pre-built from a semi-custom website:
    Psystar's Online Store - Open Computing Solutions featuring Mac OS X Leopard, Windows and Linux

    They have a decent reputation but not a great one.

    My friend doesn't tweak or overclock what so ever so I know it probably wasn't something he did. He said that he eventually started having problems with first the CD drive failing, then 2 HDDs. I don't know how long it was working but I doubt for very long I could check his reciept to guestimate though.

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    The original PSU had the new larger ATX plug, and it fit the full 4x2 (eight pin) port by the CPU. (is this just extra power for the cpu? just curious i love to learn as much as possible).

    I didn't see any burn or other obvious damage but I will check again, the the whole system looks like it just came out of the box w/o a spot on it.

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    I did not first clear the CMOS but the case has been unplugged for days, and as stated earlier I have tired to clear the CMOS many times with seemingly no luck. (but then again i wouldn't know b/c it hasn't even gotten past a black/blank screen).

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    Ok I unplugged the PSU and all power to board and headed to be, lets see if that does anything.

    Thanks, I'm glad to see more people with the same Mobo. I wonder if its the CPU or mobo , will I ever know?
    Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P rev. 1.0
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    250 GB SATA Maxtor - Windows.
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    Default Re: I'm New and my GA-EP45-UD3P won't POST Help!

    At this point, the only sure-fire way to determine the problem is to:
    1) test your mobo with another processor that is known to be good and
    2) test your processor in another system that is currently working

    Later today (Saturday) I'm going to test my system:
    1) boot with a bad memory module
    2) boot with no memory installed
    3) boot with the monitor cable disconnected
    4) boot without a video card
    5) boot with no hard drives or floppy drives
    6) boot without a keyboard or mouse
    7) boot with a faulty monitor (fuse is probably blown)
    8) boot with my 8-pin ATX_12v cable disconnected (I'm pretty sure what will happen here)
    9) any other tests I can think of that might duplicate your problem (suggestions are encouraged)

    This will provide useful info to hopefully assist you and others.

    Right now my mobo is beside my computer case so that I can apply Arctic Ceramique to my North-bridge to see if it lowers temperatures. This makes it much easier for me to do these tests. Hopefully I'll be able to report my results by later tonight.

    I'm going to note the mobo's errors to see how a working setup reacts to each of these tests.

    I don't have a psu with a 4-pin ATX_12v connector to test with and I don't have a faulty psu or cpu to try.

    Several forum members with similar problems succeeded when they repeated steps 1 - 5 from post #2 several times. One member succeeded on the 5th try.

    **edit** It looks like your system has a one year warranty, but you'll have to pay for shipping. If you need to send them your complete system, fully assembled, you'll need to consider these costs and decide what your best option will be.
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    Default Re: I'm New and my GA-EP45-UD3P won't POST Help!

    That's a real pretty case... I hope you can get it running again, shame to waste such a good looking system...
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex St. John
    Consider for a moment that what we think of as “intelligence” is the byproduct of a computing architecture that depends on massive parallelism to interact with the world in real time without stalling for progress bars. If our ancestors’ brains had depended on running Vista on current dual-core processors for their survival, they would have been eaten by bears.

    Best Quote Ever...
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho101
    Obey the one and only rule without question when you overclock.... don't cause a fire. Fires are hot and burny... not good.
    Intel E8400 EO@445x9--Gigabyte EP45-UD3P v1.1 ~ F9--EVGA 9800GT @ 700/1750/1100--8GB Gskill 1066

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    Default Re: I'm New and my GA-EP45-UD3P won't POST Help!

    Wow, ProfJim you rock. Let me know the results of those tests, I am going to copy them and save them maybe in PDF form and compile all this information for future usage as I guess a EP45 Tester Manual.

    Well at this point its probably either the CPU or Mobo, I'm leaning towards Mobo b/c it had drive failures and memory errors that all built up to this not booting. I suppose a CPU can do the same since its all circuits one way or another but I would figure the CPU would boot up to bios as least then cause wakky errors. But who knows its possible the PC was pre-OCed and it just burn't out, but for some reason I think that would give an exact beep error and not keep rebooting, in my experience on old CPUs the pc would just run up and die within seconds on bad CPUs no beeps no nothing.

    So the dilemma now is whether to send the CPU+Mobo or just the Mobo.

    O-well bed time now yay for work, maybe I can barrow one of those quadcores hehehehe =D.

    THANKS GUYS! (oh ya and it really is a Sweet case almost as cool as my old Thermatake here with blinky skulls on it hehe , and I have an old skool 2003 Alienware Area 51 case in the game room with an original P4 and RDRAM on it! man its so hard to move on to a new case from an old friend, oh man I need to stop rambling and get to sleep, lol thanks again!)
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    Default Re: I'm New and my GA-EP45-UD3P won't POST Help!

    Can you RMA just the CPU and Board, or do you have to box up the whole sha-bang?
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex St. John
    Consider for a moment that what we think of as “intelligence” is the byproduct of a computing architecture that depends on massive parallelism to interact with the world in real time without stalling for progress bars. If our ancestors’ brains had depended on running Vista on current dual-core processors for their survival, they would have been eaten by bears.

    Best Quote Ever...
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho101
    Obey the one and only rule without question when you overclock.... don't cause a fire. Fires are hot and burny... not good.
    Intel E8400 EO@445x9--Gigabyte EP45-UD3P v1.1 ~ F9--EVGA 9800GT @ 700/1750/1100--8GB Gskill 1066

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    Default Re: I'm New and my GA-EP45-UD3P won't POST Help!

    I'm not sure, I know individual pieces can be sent back. I have to ask my friend b/c its still in his name and he will call them and then verify the RMA process. He's already done it with the 2 HDDs and CD drive so I don't see a problem. I'd just hate to send away a good CPU.

    Hopefully I can get a CPU from work to test they have QuadCores as well.
    Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P rev. 1.0
    Pentium Core2Quad 2.4ghz Q6600
    Stock CPU Fan

    8GB 2gb x4 : Super*Talent
    DDR2-800 PC6400 T8UB2GC5 2G/128X8
    T800UB2GC5 PDF manual

    GeForce 9500GT 500MB - PCIe 16x
    Wireless 802.11n (PCI-E 1x)

    250 GB SATA Maxtor - Windows.
    650 x2 SATA WD 7,500rpm (future raid?) (unplugged atm)
    20x DVD±RW DL

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    Default Re: I'm New and my GA-EP45-UD3P won't POST Help!

    Hey, got the EXACT same problem and i've been spending a week trying various stuff about it.

    No idea what the pbr is so far... it's quite incredible :)

    - All started a week ago, as powered on my comp (that i used without any pbr the day before...Got it running smoothly since a year or so)

    - Unable to POST. My comp was powering on and off in loops.
    (i had internal speaker connected and only got a single bip, almost as usual but quite longer)

    - I tried with another PSU (420W) and had the same pbr (my actual PSU is a 520W and all went fine with it since a year)

    - Tried with a new Gigabyte Mobo... Same pbr

    - Tried with new mobo + new CPU (Core 2 Duo E8500)... Same Pbr

    Tried with RAM, no RAM, only 1 module instead of 2, trying the other module after... Same Pbr

    I have yet to test with a brand new PSU, i'd go for something more powerfull since i'm using a Leadtek 8800GTX and they use quite alot of power (but as i mentioned, 520W worked fine for a Year and i'm not sure it is PSU pbr)

    Well... If i still have the same pbr with the new PSU, i think i'd go for an exorcist :)

    Oh and yes btw, i'd tested it out of the case with nothing connected on it (GA-EP45-DS4 has a mini power-switch build in the motherboard so you can power it on without connecting your case's power switch)

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