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    Psycho101 your above information is bloody fantastic. I was wondering why my games would only get to 60FPS and sit on it all day long. Ill have to experiment with these settings to see what looks best. Really detailed and easy to follow explantaion of Vsync
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    hi all. know its been awhile. i have tried contacting gigabyte support again and it seems like they dont even read my messages. heres what i have so far:

    <TABLE class=Block_Main cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=5 width="100%"><TBODY><TR bgColor=#edf3fd><TD vAlign=top width=100>Answer : </TD><TD>Under MIT you can play with the settings, do raise up the voltages for the memory under bios to no higher than 1.9v which is what the memory is rated at
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    Question - 790049
    </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#edf3fd><TD>From : </TD><TD>me</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#edf3fd><TD>Sent : </TD><TD>7/30/2009 15:14</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#edf3fd><TD vAlign=top>Question : </TD><TD>auto spd settings are for 1066 at 1.5V with 7-7-7-16. ozc gives 1600 at 1.9V and 7-7-7-24. ocz tech support doesnt have any other info for bios setup. my original question points to only 1gb modules shown on compatibility sheet (on gigabytes motherboard page). would i be better off trying 1gb modules as opposed to 2gb to obtain higher freqs than 1333? does this even matter? or should i just focus on modules that have spd info already on them for these freqs? if i purchase say, Patriot PVS32G1866LLK , which is listed here -

    http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/FileList/...ep45t-ud3p.pdf

    is there any support as to what settings were used to obtain published results? are modules on this sheet tested as individual modules? will Patriot PVS32G1866LLK work as stated as 4 X 1 = 4GB? i realize this is trial and error, i have spent countless hours taking notes and adjusting and readjusting. i am just trying to better prepare myself before i make another memory purchase. these ocz modules just arent stable with my board much above 1333. thank you for your promt reply</TD></TR><TR><TD background=images/pop-bgtitle.jpg colSpan=2>
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    </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#edf3fd><TD vAlign=top width=100>Answer : </TD><TD>If those are higher rated spec make sure bios settings are configured properly. Do attempt to test with single module installed at a time, and you may need to operate it atn an lower spec if it's not fully stable.
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    </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#edf3fd><TD>From : </TD><TD>me</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#edf3fd><TD>Sent : </TD><TD>7/26/2009 06:22</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#edf3fd><TD vAlign=top>Question : </TD><TD>hello. i assembled a new pc a few months ago and am a little dissapointed with memory compatibility. i cannot get stability above approx 1333 with these modules. does it have anything to do with them being double sided (2GB)? i see (after purchase) in the supported memory list only 1GB sticks listed above this speed. it says "downgrade to 1333" for most. OCZ3P16004GK is the model of memory i am using. i phoned gigabyte tech support and was told there was no support for overclocking and that the memory was probably bad. ocz support says memory is guarenteed to to run at 1600 and that gigabyte needs to comment on this. when i configured this purchase i had my mind set on running cpu 3.6ghz with memory multi 4 for 1600. currently i run 3.74ghz and multi of 3.2 for 1331. nice and stable. just curious if i need to go to ss (1x1) sticks in order to get my 1600 or is there something else i can do? i have been deep in forums for a month now and see that there are tons of ddr3 issues no matter the manufacturer so i blame no one but myself. in hindsight i would have chosen four 1x1 modules. thank you for your time. looking forward to hearing from you.


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    am i crazy or does it seem like they are just giving me totally generic answers? they fail to even address my questions. really not happy with the support. looks like i will seek a different brand in the future.

    i have been in multiple forums seeking help. i ordered a pair of Patriot PVS32G1866LLK from here http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=10008528 which gigabyte also lists on this pdf http://www.gigabyte.us/FileList/Memo...ep45t-ud3p.pdf

    hopefully i will find speeds above 1333 with these.

    another question for you guys. keep in mind i am learning here. just going to give a few bios specs and benchmark results for gta4

    cpu 400 X 9 for 3.6, memory at 1333 = 36fps
    cpu 500 X 7.5 for 3.74, memory at 1331 = 50fps
    cpu 500 X 7 for 3.5, memory at 1331 = 50fps

    these are basically the same besides bus speeds correct? why the drastic difference in frames?

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    You must have a dramatic increase in memory performance do to higher bus speed and memory settings (Static tRead most likely). Do a memory benchemark see what's the difference.

    EDIT: Do any other games/graphics benchmark show that much of difference?
    Last edited by Chike; 07-31-2009 at 04:45 AM.

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    yes, i started to include this but i felt my post was long enough already.
    v sync is forced through control panel. as well as 16X AA and other pretty stuff

    farcry2 also shows 12 to 14 frame improvement.

    gta4 seems to be the most demanding game i have. all others were pretty much running high 50s anyway. so it was this game that i was looking for the most results in

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    any comments to gigabytes response?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2T354 View Post
    any comments to gigabytes response?
    All I can comment on this is that is not worse from what I hade from asus. After helping to damage my mobo, he said tech is on it and he'll be back when he is finished... been two months since LOL
    So now I'm here with new gigabyte board.

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    cpu 400 X 9 for 3.6, memory at 1333 = 36fps
    cpu 500 X 7.5 for 3.74, memory at 1331 = 50fps
    cpu 500 X 7 for 3.5, memory at 1331 = 50fps

    these are basically the same besides bus speeds correct?
    why the drastic difference in frames?
    Your cpu is internally running 25% faster @500MHz versus 400MHz. With applications that are using a lot of cpu cycles, your cpu has about 25% higher bandwidth when the cpu is reading and writing data to & from the internal cache using 500MHz settings.
    Note: 36 divided by 50 = 0.72 or 72%, and 100% minus 72% = 28%.
    **edit** Your 400MHz setup has a 28% lower frame rate. To further confuse things, your 500MHz setup has a 38.89% higher frame rate.
    Your 3.50GHz setting has the lowest cpu speed of the three settings, yet still does as well as the 3.74GHz setting in your gaming benchmark.

    Clear as mud?
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    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    Your cpu is internally running 25% faster @500MHz versus 400MHz.
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    Note: 36 divided by 50 = 0.72 or 72%, and 100% minus 72% = 28%.
    **edit** Your 400MHz setup has a 28% lower frame rate. To further confuse things, your 500MHz setup has a 38.89% higher frame rate.
    500 > 400 by 25% but just the same 400 < 500 by only 80%.
    If you say 25% faster you should compare to the 38% performance increase.
    My theory about C2D performance is that the max at 1:3 FSB:DDR, that may partially explain why 25% more FSB gave 38% increase performance as the 400FSB was only having a DDR-1200 power. 1331/1200=1.1, 10%+25%=35%, closer to 38%.
    If he could run his memory at DDR-1500 ge may get some 10% more in frame rate if the GPU is up for it.

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    If he could run his memory at DDR-1500 ge may get some 10% more in frame rate if the GPU is up for it.
    It's my understanding that most applications respond most favorably to higher cpu MHz and that fewer applications respond most favorably to higher memory MHz. You also must consider that running with a lower memory speed with tighter timings will sometimes/often outperform higher memory speeds with necessary looser timings.

    25% faster, 80% as fast --> two sides of the same coin, it all depends on how you choose to look at it.
    If one setup is twice as fast as another, it's the same as saying that one setup is half as fast as the other.
    How's that for half-fast logic?
    **edit** I'm not a gamer so I don't deal with potential gaming performance increases.
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    To comment on the Gigabyte response, it's the same kind of answer as you'd receive from any manufacturer. They have basically said to check that you have set the modules up correctly in the BIOS.

    I believe a factor in the reason why they haven't given you any actual settings to try is that to get 1600 on the RAM, overclocking is required. It may only be the FSB that you have to raise, and you can ofc lower the multiplier to make the CPU run virtually stock, but all the major brands refuse point blank to give you any settings regarding overclocking. The only other company I have actually personally read a response from (not my board, a friends, and regarding DDR2-1200 RAM) was Biostar, and they refused point blank to give her settings for DDR1200.
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