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    Default Re: New Build GA-EP45-DS3 + Q9550

    Check this site for monitor reviews, you'll find quite a few good reviews there:
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    The question will basically whether to get a TN panel (cheaper, faster repsonse times) or a PVA/MVA panel (more expensive, better color representation, much better vertical viewing angles). If you're editing photos, you might want a PVA monitor, if you mostly game, watch some movies and don't mind the viewing angles then TN will be just fine.


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    IME Most TN's are aweful for gaming. Colours are generally pretty washed out, and as a result of using a 6 bit colour depth at he pixel level rather than 8bit, there is usually visible banding on very graduated scenes with a high amount of colour variation. This makes things like in game sky for example, look pretty awful.

    The advantage over other LCD types is that TN has a much faster response time, typically 10ms or less compared to the non-overdriven response of eg an IPS which can be up to 20ms.

    IPS technology in particular has moved on tremendously. One of the side effects of over driving pixels (temporarily giving each pixel more voltage than it needs to change, to "force" the change faster) is input lag. This manifests itself in a delay between the users commands in say, a video game being actuated with the mouse or keyboard, and the actual action happening on screen. If the lag is too great, it can become noticeable, which obviously detracts from the whole experience.

    The only way to gage input lag is to either read a review where they test for it, or try the screen for yourself in the applications you don't want input lag (ie games). A review would measure this by using an on screen stop watch program. They'd start the stop watch on both monitors at exactly the same time, leave it running for a moment, then take an actual photograph of both screens side by side. The monitor with the most lag will display the lowest time.

    IMO every TN I've seen has some issues with colour banding, and having to have your eye level in the dead centre of the screen to avoid the crappy vertical viewing angle. If you're on a budget, a TN may be all you can afford. If you have a little more money though, avoid TN's and go with a low input lag alternative. Your eyes and your neck will thank you.

    Note that colour banding, acceptable viewing angle etc is all subjective, and it may not bother you. It does bother me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho101 View Post
    IME Most TN's are aweful for gaming. Colours are generally pretty washed out, and as a result of using a 6 bit colour depth at he pixel level rather than 8bit, there is usually visible banding on very graduated scenes with a high amount of colour variation. This makes things like in game sky for example, look pretty awful.
    You can't generelise, and most are not all, for example XBit labs Roundup: Touch of Color Monitor Series from
    I never make a purches without reading professional and consumer reviews. This does not always guarantee the best buy but sure help avoiding the bad ones.

    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho101
    The advantage over other LCD types is that TN has a much faster response time, typically 10ms.
    From some other reviews I read at XBit labs this is far from being true. A promissed 5ms response time usually turns to be actually above 10.
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    Professional reviews are pretty meaningless IMO when it comes to buying a monitor.

    You need to see it working to make a judgement. Seeing a picture of the output on your current monitor is pointless, for obvious reasons.

    I wasn't intentionally making generalisations. I was trying to convey that my opinion wasn't necessarily somebody elses. I will reiterate, without the generalisation: All TN panels have p155 poor colour reproduction. If you're serious about gaming and want realistic colour reproduction, do not buy a TN. Compare it with a better quality panel and you will be disappointed IMO.

    This is why I stated 10ms, and not 5-2 that is often quoted. A true colour to colour (average over a wide colour spectrum) transition should take no longer than 10ms (maybe slightly more, but an extra 2ms isn't wildly off) on a TN. Grey to Grey or black to white, as is often the quoted figure if sub 10s, isn't a true indication. It's simply marketing bull, similar to the range of "600Hz" TV's around at the minute, referring to pixel clock and not refresh rate.

    Don't just base your opinion on a single source. Actually sample a wide range of different monitors, and you'll see the difference.

    I recommend taking a fast paced action movie with you to the shop and asking to see it playing on the screen. This isn't as easy when it comes to gaming. Asking to see a game working, when the only computers in the shop have crappy integrated graphics is never effective, I've tried. The fact that you're seeing under 10 FPS makes it hard to judge input lag, as it's already lagging badly due to the frame rate.

    I'm not saying that you'll be crying after getting a TN. You may be happy with the picture quality. Everyone's eyes and brain work differently. Some are happy to play Crysis at 25 FPS. I find it a headache inducing annoyance, for example. TN is cheap for a reason. One is manufacturing costs are low and the other s that they simply can't get away with charging huge amounts of money when there are better alternatives for a price premium
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    Default Re: New Build GA-EP45-DS3 + Q9550

    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho101 View Post
    You need to see it working to make a judgement.
    Can't agree with you more on that, especially when It comes to video/sound systems where personal preferences play a major roll.

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    The bast plan is to stick to a budget for the size and resolution you want. If you really want a 24" 1920x1200 monitor, and IPA/PVA/MVA can get expensive in this range, then consider a TN. Only buy after you've seen it working, and take The Matrix DVD, Burnout Paradise (demo) and some kind of FPS (demo) with you. I say demo, because I tried to get the assistant to let me install fallout 3, and he freaked. Said it's a full game and I shouldn't be installing it on other machines... or some such anti piracy spiel.

    All TN /= bad, but make sure the draw backs don't bug the hell out of you. I'm looking forward to getting my Dell 2209-WA, and actually being able to lean back in my chair and still see the screen without having to raise the monitor on books and keep tilting it.

    To anyone reading this; don't take this as me saying your TN monitor is crap. You may like it fine, which is great. You saved yourself some cash and lost nothing. A little like when I say I can notice a game's frame rate dip, and can definitely see a lower than 45 FPS vs 45 FPS + frame rate, people tend to call you fussy, swear blind that over 25 FPS there should be no difference (this is false, and not how the eye works) and blame you for having a weird brain or something. Truth is, I'd love to be happy playing a game at 25 FPS, but to me it looks and feels wrong. Same with TN panels.
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    The Dell is a nice choice and I'm leaning that way. I have seen it and its a sweet, Im just debating if 22in is going to be enough or not. Probably would be you know but I have had a Dell 24in (Cheap) monitor(Borrowed) 1080 and it looked real nice but they are getting a little $$. The 2209WA IPS is $439 AUD. Little concerened if the Limmit of only 60Hz at max res is going to be an issue.
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    Refresh rate is no longer an issue since LCD's have become popular. There's no benefit to having a higher refresh. The only time it's required is for NVidia 3D Vision, where you need a 120 Hz monitor. It's very rare to hear refresh rate and LCD in the same sentence. On my 19" 5:4 Viewsonic I can choose 60, 72 or 75 and see no difference. 75Hz makes Vsync harder to achieve in some games that get close to and sometimes under 75 FPS, which is why I set 60. There's no screen flicker associated with a lower refresh as it refers to per pixel updating rather than complete screen re-draws

    As the 22" Del is a 16:10, it'll be nearly as tall as the 1920x1080 you're using now, but obviously slightly narrower. Apart from RTS games, I fond a 1680x1050 res to be perfect. The smaller screen size will ease the pressure on your GFX cards too. Crossfire 4850's are awesome, but due to the lack of RAM bandwidth compared to the 4870 and 4890, the slight drop in pixel count will enable you to run higher detail levels and possibly give you some more AA.
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    Yeah Well now Im just going to wait for the damm thing to be on sale again. Looks like I just missed out on a $100 discount (which sucks) cause I would have bought one for sure at the price. Hopefully there will be a sale again soon?? I cant wait for the second HD4850 to arrive. Its not actually what was depicted on the Damm Megabuy website its a slightly OC edition with a after market cooler and all the reviews on Newegg say its cool. So yeah hopefully all is sweet. I will down clock it a bit if its not done automagically to the stock level to match the other HD4850 in crossfire mode.

    EDIT: I messed with the settings a bit more in ArmA 2 last night and its deffinatly the game engine being a dog as even on super low res in one part in a city the best I could get was 25 frames.
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    My monitor I use daily is a Dell Ultrasharp 1907FP. After reading a sqwillion reviews on the 2209WA it seems like its the go. Also everyones talking about Calibrations of monitors? What the. I have never done such a thing, I just plug it in and it looks pretty good. However I did come accross the other day that a B&W photo looked brown but In Adobe PhotoShop it looked Black so maybe its just some RGB setting Profile that im not using. Can anyone help me out with setting up what ive got now to be spot on?
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