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    Default What should I change to increase stability

    It appears that setting the Standard Timing Control at 6-6-6-24 for my Crucial Ballistix DDR3 1333 is unstable, even though each stick is marked that way. I went back to 9-9-924 after I couldn't boot vista. I was finally able to get it running after using the startup repair. I ran memtest for 4 passes ( about 2 3/4 hrs and did get two fails on pass 2 ( test #5), but that was all. I would certainly like to be error free so if anyone has any suggestions on bios changes I would appreciate them. Here is the cmos as it stands now ( that is, with 2 memtest errors )

    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Auto
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 8
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................: 0
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 2.66 MHz


    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: Disabled
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 333 Mhz
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........:100

    C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]


    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: <<< 800
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: <<< 900
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0 ps
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: 0 ps


    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: STANDARD!
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [Auto]
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: 4.00B
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 1333 1333
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: MANUAL!

    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................ 9 <--9
    tRCD ......................................... 9 <--9
    tRP'........................................... 9 <--9
    tRAS.......................................... 24 <--24



    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD........................................... 4 -5
    tWTR.......................................... 5 -5
    tWR............................................ 10 -11
    tRFC........................................... 74 -74
    tRTP........................................... 5 -6
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................: 2

    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength ............................ Not applicable

    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................:8
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps

    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................:8
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps

    Motherboard Voltage Control
    Voltage Type.………... Normal
    CPU
    CPU Vcore….……….........................: 1.21250 Auto

    CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......: 1.2000

    CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: 1.5000

    CPU Referen.…………....0.755V*.......: 0.760 Auto


    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: 1.240V
    MCH Reference….…….0.800V...........; 0.760 Auto
    MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........: 0.750 Auto
    ICH I/O……………….....1.500V............: 1.500 Auto
    ICH Core…………...……1.100V............: Not Applicable

    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.500V............: 1.800V
    DRAM Termination .…0.900V............: Auto
    Channel A Reference 0.900V............: Auto
    Channel B Reference 0.900V............: Auto

    Advanced Settings
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: Disabled
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: Enabled
    Virtualization Technology................: Enabled (Vmware)

    Integrated Peripherals
    Legacy USB Storage Detect ..............[Disabled]
    GA-P45T-DS3R Rev 1.0 - Bios F3
    Intel Core2Quad 9400 2.66 MHz
    Zalman cnps9700
    XFX geforce 9800gt 512
    2 x 2GB Crucial Ballistix ddr3 1333 http://www.crucial.com/store/partspe...KIT25664BA1336
    Antec True Power Trio 550 W
    WD esata 1T
    Seagate Pro External USB 600 GB

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    Default Re: What should I change to increase stability

    Can you please link us to your ram, or give me the model #? And also please tell us what BIOS you are using.

    Once we have that info we can better advise, until then I do not feel comfortable advising much. I can say you may need more Vtt (CPU Term)

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    Default Re: What should I change to increase stability

    Here is the link to Crucial Ballistix DDR3 ram ==> BL2KIT25664BA1336 - 4GB kit (2GBx2), Ballistix 240-pin DIMM , DDR3 PC3-10600 from Crucial.com

    I flashed the F3 bios on/about 06/24/09

    I may also be having vista problems. I have to boot into safe mode since I get "multiple attempts" to boot, then bsod, then safe mode then I can get into Vista Ultimate. I have an image of a good working vista that I am getting ready to reinstall. I will probably wait until I get the cmos right before I do that though.

    Thanks,

    Dan


    Quote Originally Posted by Lsdmeasap View Post
    Can you please link us to your ram, or give me the model #? And also please tell us what BIOS you are using.

    Once we have that info we can better advise, until then I do not feel comfortable advising much. I can say you may need more Vtt (CPU Term)
    GA-P45T-DS3R Rev 1.0 - Bios F3
    Intel Core2Quad 9400 2.66 MHz
    Zalman cnps9700
    XFX geforce 9800gt 512
    2 x 2GB Crucial Ballistix ddr3 1333 http://www.crucial.com/store/partspe...KIT25664BA1336
    Antec True Power Trio 550 W
    WD esata 1T
    Seagate Pro External USB 600 GB

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    Default Re: What should I change to increase stability

    I don't see how an image of a good working Vista is helpful unless it's from the same computer setup.
    http://forums.tweaktown.com/gigabyte...ench-test.html
    http://www.gigabyte-usa.com/FileList...ios_qflash.pdf
    Phenom II 945 @ 3.2Ghz w/Thermaltake Big Typhoon Pro 14 CPU Cooler
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    Sapphire 3870HD / 100225L / 512MB / ddr4
    4GB / Kingston / KHX8500D2K2/2GN / 5-5-5-18 / 1066Mhz
    (2) WD Caviar / WD2500AAKS/ 250GB in SATA RAID-0
    (1) WD Caviar / WD2500AAKS/ 250GB in SATA AHCI
    (2) IDE's 1 8XdualDVDRW 1 52x32x52x CDRW
    Antec /Neo HE550 / 550W
    Mid size ATX case with show through panel
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    Microsoft comfort curve USB keyboard 2000 ver.1.0
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    Default Re: What should I change to increase stability

    Thanks for the heads-up. I am assuming ( you know what "they" say about assume) the the changes to the bios will be similar to flashing to a new bios. Just to be on the safe side I just posed that question to the Acronis forum. I'll see what kind of responses I get.




    Quote Originally Posted by artdrivers View Post
    I don't see how an image of a good working Vista is helpful unless it's from the same computer setup.
    GA-P45T-DS3R Rev 1.0 - Bios F3
    Intel Core2Quad 9400 2.66 MHz
    Zalman cnps9700
    XFX geforce 9800gt 512
    2 x 2GB Crucial Ballistix ddr3 1333 http://www.crucial.com/store/partspe...KIT25664BA1336
    Antec True Power Trio 550 W
    WD esata 1T
    Seagate Pro External USB 600 GB

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    Default Re: What should I change to increase stability

    I just heard from Acronis Tech Support. There is no problem restoring an image after changes to the bios. The Acronis image is independent of the bios.

    Dan
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    Intel Core2Quad 9400 2.66 MHz
    Zalman cnps9700
    XFX geforce 9800gt 512
    2 x 2GB Crucial Ballistix ddr3 1333 http://www.crucial.com/store/partspe...KIT25664BA1336
    Antec True Power Trio 550 W
    WD esata 1T
    Seagate Pro External USB 600 GB

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    Default Re: What should I change to increase stability

    Oh ok? Your doing a bios update, and memory upgrade. Everything else is as it was? OK! Now I see how an image of a good working Vista is helpful.
    http://forums.tweaktown.com/gigabyte...ench-test.html
    http://www.gigabyte-usa.com/FileList...ios_qflash.pdf
    Phenom II 945 @ 3.2Ghz w/Thermaltake Big Typhoon Pro 14 CPU Cooler
    Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H rev.1.1 F11
    Sapphire 3870HD / 100225L / 512MB / ddr4
    4GB / Kingston / KHX8500D2K2/2GN / 5-5-5-18 / 1066Mhz
    (2) WD Caviar / WD2500AAKS/ 250GB in SATA RAID-0
    (1) WD Caviar / WD2500AAKS/ 250GB in SATA AHCI
    (2) IDE's 1 8XdualDVDRW 1 52x32x52x CDRW
    Antec /Neo HE550 / 550W
    Mid size ATX case with show through panel
    2) 80x80 front fans (1) 120x120 rear fan and small nb fan
    Microsoft comfort curve USB keyboard 2000 ver.1.0
    Logitech G500 USB mouse
    Monitor: CMV937A
    7.1+2 Channel High Definition ALC889A
    Dual boot Windows 7 32bit home & Windows 7 64bit home


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    Default Re: What should I change to increase stability

    Here is the link to Crucial Ballistix DDR3 ram ==> BL2KIT25664BA1336 - 4GB kit (2GBx2), Ballistix 240-pin DIMM , DDR3 PC3-10600 from Crucial.com

    I flashed the F3 bios on/about 06/24/09

    I may also be having vista problems. I have to boot into safe mode since I get "multiple attempts" to boot, then bsod, then safe mode then I can get into Vista Ultimate. I have an image of a good working vista that I am getting ready to reinstall. I will probably wait until I get the cmos right before I do that though.

    I also ran memtest for 3 hrs ( 5 passes ) with no errors. I would appreciate your ideas on changes to the bios so I boot up directly.

    here is the cmos again in case you need it:

    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Auto
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 8
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................: 0
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 2.66 MHz


    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: Disabled
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 333 Mhz
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........:100

    C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]


    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: <<< 800
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: <<< 900
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0 ps
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: 0 ps


    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: STANDARD!
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [Auto]
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: 4.00B
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 1333 1333
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: MANUAL!

    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................ 9 <--9
    tRCD ......................................... 9 <--9
    tRP'........................................... 9 <--9
    tRAS.......................................... 24 <--24



    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD........................................... 4 -5
    tWTR.......................................... 5 -5
    tWR............................................ 10 -11
    tRFC........................................... 74 -74
    tRTP........................................... 5 -6
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................: 2

    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength ............................ Not applicable

    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................:8
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps

    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................:8
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps

    Motherboard Voltage Control
    Voltage Type.………... Normal
    CPU
    CPU Vcore….……….........................: 1.21250 Auto

    CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......: 1.2000

    CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: 1.5000

    CPU Referen.…………....0.755V*.......: 0.760 Auto


    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: 1.240V
    MCH Reference….…….0.800V...........; 0.760 Auto
    MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........: 0.750 Auto
    ICH I/O……………….....1.500V............: 1.500 Auto
    ICH Core…………...……1.100V............: Not Applicable

    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.500V............: 1.800V
    DRAM Termination .…0.900V............: Auto
    Channel A Reference 0.900V............: Auto
    Channel B Reference 0.900V............: Auto

    Advanced Settings
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: Disabled
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: Enabled
    Virtualization Technology................: Enabled (Vmware)

    Integrated Peripherals
    Legacy USB Storage Detect ..............[Disabled]

    I would appreciate any help you can give ( I know I need it )


    Thanks,

    Dan




    Quote Originally Posted by Lsdmeasap View Post
    Can you please link us to your ram, or give me the model #? And also please tell us what BIOS you are using.

    Once we have that info we can better advise, until then I do not feel comfortable advising much. I can say you may need more Vtt (CPU Term)
    GA-P45T-DS3R Rev 1.0 - Bios F3
    Intel Core2Quad 9400 2.66 MHz
    Zalman cnps9700
    XFX geforce 9800gt 512
    2 x 2GB Crucial Ballistix ddr3 1333 http://www.crucial.com/store/partspe...KIT25664BA1336
    Antec True Power Trio 550 W
    WD esata 1T
    Seagate Pro External USB 600 GB

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    Default Re: What should I change to increase stability

    Try tRead of 9 or 10.

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    Default Re: What should I change to increase stability

    Thank you Conners. I set tREAD to 9 in both Channel A and Channel B.

    I have been rebooting, sleep and wake up, hibernate - power off - restart - all with no bsod.

    Can you suggest any reading material for me to study so I can learn more about what the various changes of values in the cmos mean? I appreciate all the help and I would like to learn more about what goes on in the cmos.

    Thanks again,

    Dan


    Quote Originally Posted by Conners View Post
    Try tRead of 9 or 10.
    GA-P45T-DS3R Rev 1.0 - Bios F3
    Intel Core2Quad 9400 2.66 MHz
    Zalman cnps9700
    XFX geforce 9800gt 512
    2 x 2GB Crucial Ballistix ddr3 1333 http://www.crucial.com/store/partspe...KIT25664BA1336
    Antec True Power Trio 550 W
    WD esata 1T
    Seagate Pro External USB 600 GB

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