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    Default Re: EX58-UD5 stability issues

    Yes, those are fail safe settings, this is why we asked to see users settings before advising, even if at stock which we all know what stock settings are, so we can tell where you are starting from (Fail Safe/Optimized).

    It wont default to fail safe, only optimized, unless you have specifically loaded it previously.

    Yes, please do load optimized and do some more testing, then if you have issues post the full settings you are trying and we can advise back

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    Default Re: EX58-UD5 stability issues

    Here are the new numbers (only 3 things changed using optimized defaults).

    CPU: i7 920 LGA 1366 2.66 GHz
    Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-EX58 UD5 rev 1.0
    BIOS: F9E
    Ram: 2 sets of Corsair TR3X6G1600C8D (two tri-packs of 6GB = 12GB total)

    Code:
    Advanced CPU Features:
    CPU Clock Ratio ........................... [20x] (2.66 GHz)
    Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech ................. [Enabled]
    CPU Cores Enabled ......................... [All]
    CPU Multi Threading ....................... [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ................... [Enabled]
    C3/C6/C7 State Support .................... [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor ....................... [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function ......................... [Enabled]
    Bi-Directional PROCHOT .................... [Enabled]
    Virtualization Technology ................. [Enabled]

    Uncore & QPI Features:
    QPI Clock Ratio............................ [Auto]
    QPI Link Speed ............................ [6.4 GHz]
    Uncore Clock Ratio ........................ [Auto]
    Uncore Frequency .......................... [2667 MHz] *[3200 MHz]* with XMP Profile1
    Isonchronous Frequency .................... [Enabled]

    Advanced Clock Control:
    Base Clock (BCLK) Control ................. [Disabled]
    BCLK Frequency (MHz) ...................... [133]
    PCI Express Frequency (MHz) ............... [Auto]
    C.I.A.2 ................................... [Disabled]
    CPU Clock Drive ............................[800mV] changed with optimized defaults
    PCI Express Clock Drive ................... [900mV] changed with optimized defaults
    CPU Clock Skew ............................ [0ps]
    IOH Clock Skew ............................ [0ps]

    Advanced DRAM Features:
    Performance Enhance ....................... [Turbo] changed with optimized defaults
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P) ............ [Disabled] *[Enabled] with XMP Enabled
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD) ............ [AUTO]
    Memory Frequency (MHz) .................... [1066] *[1600 with XMP Enabled]
    DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) .............. [Auto] (Auto, Quick and Expert are the only choices)

    Channel A + B + C
    Channel A Timing Settings:
    ##Channel A Standard Timing Control##
    CAS Latency Time ........................... 8 Auto
    tRCD ....................................... 8 Auto
    tRP ........................................ 8 Auto
    tRAS ....................................... 20 Auto *24 [Auto] with XMP enabled

    ##Channel A Advanced Timing Control##
    tRC ........................................ 27 Auto *41 with XMP enabled
    tRRD ....................................... 4 Auto * 6 with XMP enabled
    tWTR ....................................... 4 Auto * 6 with XMP enabled
    tWR ........................................ 8 Auto *12 with XMP enabled
    tWTP ....................................... 19 Auto *24 with XMP enabled
    tWL ........................................ 7 Auto * 8 with XMP enabled
    tRFC ....................................... 60 Auto *88 with XMP enabled
    tRTP ....................................... 4 Auto * 6 with XMP enabled
    tFAW ....................................... 20 Auto *30 with XMP enabled
    Command Rate (CMD) ......................... 2 Auto

    ##Channel A Misc Timing Control##
    B2B CAS Delay .............................. - Auto
    Round Trip Latency ......................... 51 Auto


    Advanced Voltage Control:
    CPU
    Load Line Calibration ...................... [Disabled]
    CPU Vcore .................................. 1.23750v [AUTO]
    QPI/VTT Voltage ............................ 1.175v [AUTO]
    CPU PLL .................................... 1.800v [AUTO]

    MCH/ICH
    PCIE ....................................... 1.500v [AUTO]
    QPI PLL .................................... 1.100v [AUTO]
    IOH Core ................................... 1.100v [AUTO]
    ICH I/O .................................... 1.500v [AUTO]
    ICH Core ................................... 1.1v [AUTO]

    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage .............................. 1.500v [AUTO](* why doesn't this change with XMP? *)
    DRAM Termination ...........................0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-A Data VRef. ............................0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-B Data VRef. ........................... 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-C Data VRef. ........................... 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-A Address VRef. ........................ 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-B Address VRef. ........................ 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-C Address VRef. ........................ 0.750v [AUTO]

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    Default Re: EX58-UD5 stability issues

    Thanks! Ya only a few visible changes are made, but several are made in the background that you cannot adjust.

    You never said what if any issues you are still seeing?

    XMP is not suggested at all by me, no way some pre-defined settings can know what your CPU needs/likes (QPI/Vtt). So disable that

    Try these and see how you get along

    Code:
    Advanced CPU Features:
    CPU Clock Ratio ........................... [20x] (2.66 GHz)
    Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech ................. [Enabled]
    CPU Cores Enabled ......................... [All]
    CPU Multi Threading ....................... [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ................... [Enabled]
    C3/C6/C7 State Support .................... [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor ....................... [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function ......................... [Enabled]
    Bi-Directional PROCHOT .................... [Enabled]
    Virtualization Technology ................. [Enabled]
    
    Uncore & QPI Features:
    QPI Clock Ratio............................ [Auto]<< X36 or X44 later on if you want
    QPI Link Speed ............................ [6.4 GHz] 
    Uncore Clock Ratio ........................ [Auto]  << Set 2x ram multi or 2x +1 or 2x +2.   So 24-26
    Uncore Frequency .......................... [2667 MHz] *[3200 MHz]* with XMP Profile1
    Isonchronous Frequency .................... [Enabled]
    
    Advanced Clock Control:
    Base Clock (BCLK) Control ................. [Disabled]
    BCLK Frequency (MHz) ...................... [133]
    PCI Express Frequency (MHz) ............... [Auto]
    C.I.A.2 ................................... [Disabled]
    CPU Clock Drive ............................[800mV] changed with optimized defaults
    PCI Express Clock Drive ................... [900mV] changed with optimized defaults
    CPU Clock Skew ............................ [0ps]
    IOH Clock Skew ............................ [0ps]
    
    Advanced DRAM Features:
    Performance Enhance ....................... [Turbo] changed with optimized defaults  << Turbo may be fine, but you may want to try standard first
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P) ............ [Disabled] *[Enabled] with XMP Enabled << DISABLED 
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD) ............ [AUTO] << Sat x12 (12x133=1600)
    Memory Frequency (MHz) .................... [1066] *[1600 with XMP Enabled] 1600
    DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) .............. [Auto] (Auto, Quick and Expert are the only choices) << Choose expert and set all three channels separately 
    
    
    Channel A + B + C
    Channel A Timing Settings:
    ##Channel A Standard Timing Control##
    CAS Latency Time ........................... 8 Auto  << Set 9
    tRCD ....................................... 8 Auto  << Set 9
    tRP ........................................ 8 Auto  << Set 9
    tRAS ....................................... 20 Auto *24 [Auto] with XMP enabled << Set 24 for now, I need a link to your ram
    
    ##Channel A Advanced Timing Control##
    tRC ........................................ 27 Auto *41 with XMP enabled   << All Auto
    tRRD ....................................... 4 Auto * 6 with XMP enabled   << All Auto
    tWTR ....................................... 4 Auto * 6 with XMP enabled  << All Auto
    tWR ........................................ 8 Auto *12 with XMP enabled  << All Auto
    tWTP ....................................... 19 Auto *24 with XMP enabled  << All Auto
    tWL ........................................ 7 Auto * 8 with XMP enabled  << All Auto
    tRFC ....................................... 60 Auto *88 with XMP enabled  << Set 94 for now
    tRTP ....................................... 4 Auto * 6 with XMP enabled  << All Auto
    tFAW ....................................... 20 Auto *30 with XMP enabled  << All Auto
    Command Rate (CMD) ......................... 2 Auto  << Set 1T
    
    ##Channel A Misc Timing Control##
    B2B CAS Delay .............................. - Auto
    Round Trip Latency ......................... 51 Auto
    
    Advanced Voltage Control:
    CPU
    Load Line Calibration ...................... [Disabled]
    CPU Vcore .................................. 1.23750v [AUTO]
    QPI/VTT Voltage ............................ 1.175v [AUTO]  << Set 1.3-1.45+ (Higher end is more likely needed)
    CPU PLL .................................... 1.800v [AUTO]
    
    MCH/ICH
    PCIE ....................................... 1.500v [AUTO]
    QPI PLL .................................... 1.100v [AUTO]
    IOH Core ................................... 1.100v [AUTO]  << Set 1.24-1.3
    ICH I/O .................................... 1.500v [AUTO]
    ICH Core ................................... 1.1v [AUTO]  << Set 1.14-1.2
    
    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage .............................. 1.500v [AUTO](* why doesn't this change with XMP? *)  << Set 1.66-1.7
    DRAM Termination ...........................0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-A Data VRef. ............................0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-B Data VRef. ........................... 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-C Data VRef. ........................... 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-A Address VRef. ........................ 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-B Address VRef. ........................ 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-C Address VRef. ........................ 0.750v [AUTO]

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    Default Re: EX58-UD5 stability issues

    Lsdmeasap,
    I'm ready to experiment. I finally got around to loading Win7 x64 on a separate hard drive so I can play with the memory settings and avoid having to rebuild the RAID setup I was using). With a single Hard Drive, I can experiment without long rebuilds when things go blue.

    I'm currently running now with the settings you recommend above but I have some questions. For the "QPI clock ratio", you sugest x36 or x44. Both of these result in a lower QPI link speed than the original default settings (4.8 GHz vs 6.4 GHz). Should I set this even higher to get back to 6.4 GHz or does this need to remain slower than the default setting?

    I noticed you said under "tRAS" that you still need a link to my RAM specs. Here it is: Welcome to Corsair :: Corsair Dominator DDR2 and DDR3 Memory Kit Product Information It's the 5th one down on the list "TR3X6G1600C8D" I have 2 sets totaling 12GB.

    Is there a stress test I should be running to test the stability? I looked at your posts on the older boards from last year and I wonder what would apply to this board. Should I still use orthos and core temp. Is 65c the temp I should be worried about during the blend test or is it differnt for my CPU (I7 920)?

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    Default Re: EX58-UD5 stability issues

    Default for 920 is 4.8, what you see shown for Auto is not used (For anything Auto normally) so you can ignore that. 6.4 is default for extreme CPU's, but any CPU can use it and much more.

    Test with Memtest86+ for your memory
    Memtest86+ - Advanced Memory Diagnostic Tool

    Prime95, Intel Burn Test or LinX for your CPU and CPU/Memory combined. I also use several instances 3-4 of HCI memtest in windows, all available here
    http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/late...y-tools-30530/

    Use RealTemp or Coretemp for your Core temps, or everest which is what I normally use these days for voltages/temps. You want to keep your CPU core temps under 70-75, more than that and things are getting pretty hot. If they are that hot in Prime do not run Intel Burn or LinX as temps will likely get into the high 80's or low 90's

    tRAS you can leave at 24 for now

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    Lsdmeasap, Thanks for all the info. My goal right now is only to get the system stable with the memory at 1600 (and it seems OK with the setting you suggested). I am not attempting to OC the processor yet so I'm not sure why the processor would get so hot at the stock speeds.

    I'm using the stock retail heat sink and fan. Idle temps are in the mid-40's and then they go beyond 70 within 5-6 minutes when stress testing with some of these - Orthos (seems to only use 2 cores), IntelBurn, Prime95, and OCCT. I had to stopped most of them after a few minutes. I'm not sure how people can stress test for an hour or more.

    Core Temp 0.99.5 is experiencing some strange behavior on my system. The Processor Frequency keeps jumping from 1598 (133.23 x 12) to 2797 (133.23 x 21). At the same time, the TDP jumps from 43.8 Watts to 147.3 Watts. I'll try real temp and the Everest trial.

    Should I let the testing continue beyond 70C to see if it caps below 75C?

    Also, I'm not sure how accurate memtest 4.0 is (when running from a CD at boot). No mater what settings I have in BIOS (including the XMP settings that resulted in all the original BSODs), memtest showed no errors. Maybe memtest is only good for identifying bad memory modules. I'll try the one you say runs in Windows (HLC).

    Can you suggest any memory test specific settings in Prime95, IntelBurn, or LinX?
    Last edited by geobrick; 12-14-2009 at 08:03 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geobrick View Post
    Lsdmeasap, Thanks for all the info. My goal right now is only to get the system stable with the memory at 1600 (and it seems OK with the setting you suggested). I am not attempting to OC the processor yet so I'm not sure why the processor would get so hot at the stock speeds.

    I'm using the stock retail heat sink and fan. Idle temps are in the mid-40's and then they go beyond 70 within 5-6 minutes when stress testing with some of these - Orthos (seems to only use 2 cores), IntelBurn, Prime95, and OCCT. I Stopped most of them withing 5 minutes. I'm not sure how people can stress test for an hour or more.

    Core Temp 0.99.5 is experiencing some strange behavior. The Processor Frequency keeps jumping from 1598 (133.23 x 12) to 2797 (133.23 x 21). At the same time, the TDP jumps from 43.8 Watts to 147.3 Watts. I'll try real temp and the everest trial.

    Should I let the testing continue beyond 70 to see if it caps below 75?

    It seems that memtest 4.0 (running from a CD at boot) is accurate. No mater what setting I have in BIOS (including the XMP settings that resulted in all the original BSODs). Maybe memtest is only good for identifying bad memory moduals. I will try the one you say runs in Windows (HLC).

    Can you suggest any memory test specific setting in Prime95, IntelBurn, or LinX?
    the processor will rise and fall according to the load put on it,thats why the multiplier rises and falls its normal unless you want to turn this off by disabling c1e and eist but the processor will run hotter so i wouldnt turn it off on stock fans,the tdp rises to 143 when its at 100% load the stressing program will rest for few seconds dropping the tdp a little then it will continue,i wouldnt let temps go beyond 75-80c and its always harder with 12gb to get stable than with 6,just play around with qpi voltages and mem timings untill your stable,try running memtest 04 from desktop,you will probably need to run three of four instances and type in 1500-2000mb of ram on each test then let it run and look for any errors
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    Default Re: EX58-UD5 stability issues

    Thanks Wazza300.

    I'll let things run a bit longer knowing I can approach 80c during the test without permanent damage. So far I'm doing OK with the 12GB. QPI is at about 1.4v and I think I have the DRAM at about 1.68v. I'll see how it all holds up with a longer test. I still wonder what settings I should set for the blend tests. Some have settings for memory (Like Intelburn sugesting increasing the memory to the available memory amount).

    One more question. Lsdmeasap sugested voltages for IOH Core (1.24-1.3v) and ICH Core (1.14-1.7v). What is their role in memory stability?

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    UPDATE: I've gotten some failures using HLC memtest with the settings above. Are there any adjustments that you reccomend?

    UPDATE 2: I can't seem to get through HLC memtest without a few errors even with some slightly increased voltages (beyond those recommended).
    I'm now testing at memory multiplier of 10 (1333). So far things look OK.
    Last edited by geobrick; 12-14-2009 at 01:56 PM.

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    Default Re: EX58-UD5 stability issues

    We need to always see your full settings when you post about failures.

    HLC memtest? Do you mean HCI, hope so. This can be a few things, first of all are you passing normal Memtest86+ before this, you need to be. How many instances of HCI are you running, with how much memory in each one?

    No need to go to 1333Mhz, get back on 1600 and try more. Give us your 1600 failing settings and we will advise back.

    Do not use Intel Burn Test until you have a better cooler as temps are going to likely get way to hot.

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