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    Arrow New Pc - Opinions Q8200 - MSI P45 -GF9600GT

    Hi!! im setting up a new pc and i would like an opinion, the idea is to have for gamming, but not 24 /7 !!


    MSI P45 Platinum sonido, G-LAN, FW, SATAII-RAID, eSATA
    Gainward GF9600GT Golden Sample Retail, Salida de TV, 2x DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort - 512
    Intel® Procesador Core™ 2 Quad Q8200 Boxed, FC-LGA4, "Yorkfield"
    Western Digital WD10EADS 1 TB Caviar Green
    Corsair Kit DIMM 4 GB DDR2-1066 TWIN2X4096-8500C5, serie XMS2
    MS-TECH LC-182
    500 Watt Continuous Power ATX12V v2.2

    All will cost around 650 euro more or less

    Are there any components that dont seem to feet?

    cheers!
    Last edited by swaty; 07-13-2009 at 10:36 PM.

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    Default Re: New Pc - Opinions Q8200 - MSI P45 -GF9600GT

    You are aware that this forum specializes in Gigabyte topics. Right?
    I doubt that many forum members will have detailed knowledge about the MSI P45 mobo.
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    Default Re: New Pc - Opinions Q8200 - MSI P45 -GF9600GT

    hehe, yea true but on the forum description its does say "and other products"

    any suggestions on what section i should post it?

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    Default Re: New Pc - Opinions Q8200 - MSI P45 -GF9600GT

    MSI = Missing Something Inside. I'm not going to try and sell you a Gigabyte motherboard, but you can certainly do better than MSI.

    Check prices on an ATI HD4850 and HD4770. Both will outperform the 9600GT by a considerable margin. There have been massive price drops on 4850's, which are selling for less than 2/3 their original RRP.

    If you're gaming primarily, I'd recommend a fast dual core over a quad. 2.33GHz isn't enough to cut it even with a 9600GT. You may get 3GHz-3.4GHz from the Q8200, but you'd get 4GHz + from an E8400.

    When I ran my Q8200 24/7 overclocking from stock to 3.4GHz doubled my minimum FPS, making some unplayable games perfectly smooth. Unless you're overclocking, aim for a Core 2 (dual or quad) with at least a 2.8-3GHz clock speed. Honestly, it does make a huge difference.
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    Default Re: New Pc - Opinions Q8200 - MSI P45 -GF9600GT

    OK, as long as you're here:
    cpu: q8200 = 7x cpu multiplier, ok for moderate overclocks
    ---- q8400 = 8x cpu multiplier, better for higher overclocks, cost: $25 (USD) more

    video: gf9600gt, I've been happy with my 7600gt
    ------ ATI 4850 or 4870, crossfire compatible if your MSI mobo has 2 PCI-e card slots

    hdd: 1 TB green versus black, green is a bit quieter & slower than the black version, I'm happy with my 640 GB black hdd

    ram: your selection should be fine, it's always a good idea to post to the manufacturer's support forum and ask if this is the "best" memory for your brand/model of mobo or if there are any issues with the ram/mobo combination. Check the MSI forum for memory/mobo compatibility issues.
    Avoid value ram.

    psu: 500 watts is sufficient, 600 watts or more is required for crossfire setups or for higher powered video cards. Don't cut corners here, a rock solid psu is the foundation of your system.

    Good luck with your new build.
    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
    Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
    Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot) ~~ WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ ZM-MFC2 fan controller
    HT|Omega Striker 7.1 sound card ~~ Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080] ~~ Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium ~~ CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD U.P.S
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    Default Re: New Pc - Opinions Q8200 - MSI P45 -GF9600GT

    Actually, the Q8400 is just as useless at overclocking as the Q8200. It's lesser quality silicon. Anything under a Q9450 is a poor choice if you want to OC. Q9300's are extremely hard to get over 3.5-3.6GHz for example.

    I did miss the Caviar Green bit. Don't bother with it. Get a Blue or Black edition. The Green is crippled, with a 5400RPM rotational speed, rather than the 7200 of the other two. The power saving is extremely small too at about 5W. It's really only worth it if you're running a server with banks and banks of the things. Only then is the heat and power saving worthwhile.

    Unless you can afford a Q9450 or above (preferably an E0 Q9550 or 9650) then dual core is the way to go for gaming.
    Coolermaster CM 690 II advance Case
    Corsair HX750 (CWT, 91%(80+ Gold rated @230V) single 62A 12V rail
    P55A-UD4 v2.0 @ F14
    Core i5 760 @ 20 x 201, 4.02GHz
    TRUE Black with a single Noctua NF-P12 pumping out 55 CFM @ 19db .
    2 x 2GB Mushkin Ridgeback (996902), @ 7-10-8-27, 2010-DDR, 1.66v
    2 x Gigabyte GTX 460 1024MB in SLI (Pre OC'd to 715MHz core and 1800MHz VRAM) @ 850 Core / 4100 Mem.
    Intel X25-M Boot Drive (OS and Programs) 200MB/s Read & 90MB/s Write
    Corsair X32 200MB/s Read & 100MB/s Write
    WD Caviar Blue 640GB C (Steam, Games, Storage, Temp Files & Folders, etc)
    Samsung F3 500GB Backup/Images
    Noctua 1300RPM 19dB case fan (rear extraction)
    3 x 140 MM Coolermaster LED fans (one front intake, one top extraction, one side intake)
    Dell Ultra Sharp 2209WAf E-IPS @ 1680x1050

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    Default Re: New Pc - Opinions Q8200 - MSI P45 -GF9600GT

    wow, cheers, i have been looking at the ATI HD4850 closely too, and i wasnt very sure.(i prefered nvidia cus in the past(some years ago!) there have been issues with driver issues.)

    The E8400 does catch my eye, its even cheaper... than the q8200. that would be fine, cus i would think of updating the cpu in future...

    The thing with the psu, is that i already have it, so ill probably get a cheaper one for the old pc(which is a amd xp 2600 btw...)

    Ill probaly set it all up after the summer, and il still be on the look out for any other posibilities.


    Thanks alot!
    Last edited by swaty; 07-14-2009 at 03:44 AM.

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    Default Re: New Pc - Opinions Q8200 - MSI P45 -GF9600GT

    As profJim said , PSU quality is important. If that PSU was in the $15-$50 range, odds are it should go straight in the bin. There is some real junk out there, some of it dangerous. If spending a lot of cash on components, protect your investment.

    When buying a PSU for your Athlon XP, be very careful. They require a pretty powerful 5V rail, and even some of the best modern PSU's will have trouble when powering it.
    Coolermaster CM 690 II advance Case
    Corsair HX750 (CWT, 91%(80+ Gold rated @230V) single 62A 12V rail
    P55A-UD4 v2.0 @ F14
    Core i5 760 @ 20 x 201, 4.02GHz
    TRUE Black with a single Noctua NF-P12 pumping out 55 CFM @ 19db .
    2 x 2GB Mushkin Ridgeback (996902), @ 7-10-8-27, 2010-DDR, 1.66v
    2 x Gigabyte GTX 460 1024MB in SLI (Pre OC'd to 715MHz core and 1800MHz VRAM) @ 850 Core / 4100 Mem.
    Intel X25-M Boot Drive (OS and Programs) 200MB/s Read & 90MB/s Write
    Corsair X32 200MB/s Read & 100MB/s Write
    WD Caviar Blue 640GB C (Steam, Games, Storage, Temp Files & Folders, etc)
    Samsung F3 500GB Backup/Images
    Noctua 1300RPM 19dB case fan (rear extraction)
    3 x 140 MM Coolermaster LED fans (one front intake, one top extraction, one side intake)
    Dell Ultra Sharp 2209WAf E-IPS @ 1680x1050

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    Default Re: New Pc - Opinions Q8200 - MSI P45 -GF9600GT

    the 500 watt psu is barely a year old
    Antec - EA 500
    , before that i used 350 w, and everthing was ok until i got a 7600 gt and started adding hds later on
    the new psu for the old board will be a cheap 450 watt more or less, but i will consider your thoughts, cheers!
    ( this is one of the components i waiting for a bargain to come out in the next month or so if im lucky!)
    Last edited by swaty; 07-14-2009 at 04:32 AM.

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    Default Re: New Pc - Opinions Q8200 - MSI P45 -GF9600GT

    Are there any P45 boards that are stable (not need over clocking) with a with ddr2 at 1066?

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