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    Default Re: Easy Tune 6 CIA2, thoughts and help appreciated! Esp. LSD!

    CIA2 isn't such a great tool IMO. Sure it alters how much your CPU is overclocked by depending on load, but the power saving is nothing like as much as EIST (Speed Step) And C1E give.

    The problem with CIA2 is that with settings like CPU Vcore, PLL and CPU Term on auto (which is almost certain if anyone is using CIA2), you could be using MORE power at minimum acceleration than if you were to set the maximum speed manually in the BIOS with correct voltages. As you are using a manual Vcore, have you set CPU term and PLL manually too? Again, correctly tuning these can lead to a drop in Vcore needed.

    I commend your efforts to save the planet. I have EIST and C1E enabled, I turn the PC off when not in use and off at the wall at night. I also turn off the monitor manually rather than use a screen saver. My overclock uses the minimum vltage needed to be stable with the tests I have used and not a millivolt more. However if CIA2 is severely over volting your PLL and CPU Termination, you do more harm to the envoronment, as you'll be throwing away a CPU and buying a new one.

    To get the best possible performance and virtually identical power saings, post a screenshot of the advanced voltages tab on easytune. As long as nothing is too heavily volted, setting these in the BIOS along with the FSB you desire is always better than using dynamic OC utilities. Also Linpack testing on its own isn't enough to verify stability. try an over night (preferably 12 hour +) run of Prime 95 on Large FFT or OCCT Large Data Set. I can be Linpack stable (50 runs) on known unstable settings. Unstable as in I can't even unzip a file without getting corruption errors.

    The only hastle free OC I'd recommend is buying a pre-overclocked motherboard, CPU and RAM bundle. This way, someone has stability tested the whole package for you and made sure that it's stable on the minimum amount of voltage all round.

    **Edit: GFlops shown in IBT are a measure of CPU speed. Unlike your engine analogy, where as you say, 9000 RPM is pointless at 50 MPH, IBT is similar to super PI in that the faster the CPU the more GFlops is indicated, as the data set completes faster.
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    Default Re: Easy Tune 6 CIA2, thoughts and help appreciated! Esp. LSD!

    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho101 View Post
    **Edit: GFlops shown in IBT are a measure of CPU speed. Unlike your engine analogy, where as you say, 9000 RPM is pointless at 50 MPH, IBT is similar to super PI in that the faster the CPU the more GFlops is indicated, as the data set completes faster.
    My RPM analogy was to CPU frequency not GFlops. And that's the point exatly.
    If your CPU does more GFflops or runs SuperPI in less time than mine, then it is indeed faster, at least for that job, if it just show clock speed greater then mine it means it has a greater clock speed not that it is faster.

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    I see what you mean now. Yes, you can have someone with a higher CPU speed be slower than you ofc. You could off set performance via a faster FSB and RAM timings/speed. After a certain ammount though, it's likely no tweaks and RAM FSB speeds can compensate for an increase in CPU speed.

    If RPM of an engine as you put it, represents CPU speed, then the effectiveness/speed of the system over all could be like engine torque. A really fast reving engine may have nice straight line speed and acceleration, but may struggle going up hill or towing something, where as better torque would eliminate this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho101 View Post
    If RPM of an engine as you put it, represents CPU speed, then the effectiveness/speed of the system over all could be like engine torque. A really fast reving engine may have nice straight line speed and acceleration, but may struggle going up hill or towing something, where as better torque would eliminate this.
    I agree completley, and feel this is often overlooked in the auto and electronics industries. I need to increase my knowledge immensley since my last Motherboard was a Abit P-35E. I noticed a great deal has changed in the BIOS's and would love some help tuning things.

    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho101 View Post
    CIA2 isn't such a great tool IMO. Sure it alters how much your CPU is overclocked by depending on load, but the power saving is nothing like as much as EIST (Speed Step) And C1E give.
    However, I have EIST and C1E enabled. And I figure overclocking only when needed is the best option. Please correct me if I am wrong.

    I still have much to learn about CPU Vcore, PLL and CPU Term. And I would greatly appreciate any insights in this or any other matter.

    I will post voltages soon as I'm on my laptop at the moment.

    Thanks Psycho101!

    note: Prime95 blend stable for around 4 hours, will try Prime95 suggested settings tonight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phisherman View Post
    I also noticed your ram is running much faster than mine which is probably affecting performance.
    Again we need to define faster.
    Your memory is clocked at 533MHz while mine is clocked at 400GHz, who is faster?
    Note: I am using memory clock frequency, not DDR rate.

    I am assuming you were reffering to my memory timings. It is true they do seem lower than yours, but what do they realy mean?
    The timings set the number of clock cycles it takes to certain operation of the memory to complete. To see how long they take we need to convert them to time, just the opposit from what the BIOS does (I'll get to that later)
    Lets take tRAS as the example.
    Your mamory tRAS is 15 at 533MHz that mean is takes 15/533,000,000 = 0.000,000,02814 = 28.14ns to complete.
    My memory tRAS is 12 at 400MHz, 12/400,000,000 = 0.000,000,03 = 30ns.
    Again, who's memory is faster? Plus you get double my bandwidth (in theory, with this architerture you get just more)

    If you would look at your memory SPD EPP profile , if you have it, with SPDTool, you will probably see the same values or close to mine as shown in the image below. The BIOS read the time values from the SPD profile and convert them to the cycles needed for the selected memory frequency, when left on auto.


    The bottom line is, your hardwar is better than mine and would out prform it at the same FSB frequecy, let alone when properly overclocked, if CIA2 doesn't, than it does not overclock better than humanly possible.

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    Actually my memory tops out according to CPU-Z, at 409.7 @ 5-5-5-15

    SPD ratings are 5-5-5-18.

    still working on getting full RAM speed and fine tuning. Feel free to offer advice!

    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phisherman View Post
    Actually my memory tops out according to CPU-Z, at 409.7 @ 5-5-5-15

    SPD ratings are 5-5-5-18.

    still working on getting full RAM speed and fine tuning. Feel free to offer advice!

    Thanks!
    To have it work at as DDR-1066 it needs the voltage set as specified for 1066 (533 in CPU-Z) by the manufacturer.
    Can you find it's home page and put it in your signature?
    How does CIA2 handle the memory when FSB changes, or have you gave up on CIA2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chike View Post
    To have it work at as DDR-1066 it needs the voltage set as specified for 1066 (533 in CPU-Z) by the manufacturer.
    Can you find it's home page and put it in your signature?
    How does CIA2 handle the memory when FSB changes, or have you gave up on CIA2?

    I have had this memory OC'd to 1100 5-5-5-15 with much lower voltage than specified, but it is finicky with CIA2. Sig. changed

    I think CIA2 is stressing my components so much in full throttle, that I have been having trouble changing dividers. I haven't given up on CIA2, and will continue as long as Gigabyte supports my efforts. All lower modes, Sports, Cruise, etc... are much more forgiving on RAM since they do not fluctuate as much.

    As far as memory speeds while FSB changes. ET6 differs from CPU-Z as well, as you can see in my prior posts. I would very much like to know if ET6 is working correctly and if indeed my memory/CPU is actually reaching the speeds it says it is. However, ET6 does not mention memory speeds which I am aware of. I unfortunately am starting to believe this program may be flawed sine I cannot confirm it's validity. Would I be wasting my time talking to Gigabyte?
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    Ran Prime 95 on Large FFT for around 9 hours last night with no problems.

    Thanks for the stability advice! I just started using Linpak and IBT and have found them to be excellent. Usually use Prime95, but was unsure of time needed.

    Does nobody use this program!?!? I bet if we all used CIA2, Gigabyte would be more inclined to improve upon this program in the future.
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    Default Re: Easy Tune 6 CIA2, thoughts and help appreciated! Esp. LSD!

    Quote Originally Posted by Phisherman View Post
    Thanks for the stability advice! I just started using Linpak and IBT and have found them to be excellent. Usually use Prime95, but was unsure of time needed.
    Keep an eye on your temps, those produce much more heat than Prime95.
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