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    I changed my ram timings to 5-5-5-12 and have been having no problems. Sandra tells me my pc gets 25Gflops now and IBT improved as well. Idles around 38C and maxes out about 65C.

    When overclocking manually, my processor never drops to the 2GHz range and my memory never downclocks. I prefer to have my computer idle in a very low power mode, and only overclock when performance needs to improve. The only way to do this is to use CIA2 or similar programs.

    Auto settings IMO, know more than almost EVERYONE when it comes to knowing how it will run best. There are, some things which need to be tuned of course (would love any input). However, I think of it like this...

    It's like asking someone else if you are able to run at a certain speed, and having them set your heart rate and such for you. Instead of letting your own brain regulate things for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phisherman View Post
    I think CIA2 is stressing my components so much in full throttle, that I have been having trouble changing dividers.
    I wouldn't say CIA2 is stressing your components, just that it's not capable of adjusting RAM settings enough to be any good at clocking RAM. I'm not sure if it changes dividers when it overclocks the CPU, but likely it just ups VDIMM and hopes for the best. That's one of the reasons I don't recommend it. My cousin was using it for ages, under the impression that her E8400 (E0 stepping) couldn't do 3.6GHz, when in fact it was her RAM that was never going to do DDR-1280 that was causing the crashes. Some manual tweaking by me and it's happily doing 3.8GHz (more than fast enough for her, and only on 1.26V in CPU-Z with LLC off).

    CIA2's purpose is to allow less technically minded people to overclock. It's a "quick and dirty" thing, and isn't a substitute for BIOS tuning. Many people here wouldn't have a chance of obtaining the speeds they have - myself included - by using CIA2. I know it sounds a bit extreme, but the best way I think Gigabyte could improve the program is by removing it from the CD and replacing it with a couple of video tutorials explaining how to overclock and including basic tools such as SuperPI, Prime95, OCCT and IBT/Linpak.

    Motherboards are dumb. That's the truth. Unless it's a setting that needs to scale with another, auto is never ever the best thing to use. The best proof of this is how the board wildly over volts the CPU, VTT and PLL in some cases, to the point at where it becomes dangerous. With RAM timings for example, some times auto is too conservative and other times it sets things too tight. On auto my tRead is set to 6 for a 411 FSB, which is a little strange. I'm no where near stable at that. It boots and loads windows, but BSOD's soon after. Setting 7 is perfect. Advanced RAM timings are also set way too conservatively. This is in some cases the board's fault and in others overcautiousness by the RAM manufacturer for values read from the SPD. I can knock between 1 and 3 off most advanced timings and remain stable.

    The truth is that auto is designed to make sure things work by setting nice safe values. It is far from optimal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phisherman View Post
    Sandra tells me my pc gets 25Gflops now
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    Auto settings IMO, know more than almost EVERYONE when it comes to knowing how it will run best.
    Yet another but same bald statement, and again you have to define best.
    Best for who?
    For my mild 3.4GHz overclock Sandra shows 24.75GFlops. You cannot compare different benchmaeks, any benchmarks, not even dofferent versions of benchmarks.
    Autos may be fine, yes, know more than everyone how to set things to run best, no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chike View Post
    Autos may be fine, yes, know more than everyone how to set things to run best, no.
    Not everyone, almost everyone. I'm sure very few people can tune every setting in BIOS manually. Other than enabeling defaults.

    I did catch a new record which I challenge anyone to beat. Check it out!
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    Not even almost everyone. If you don't overclock then you would leave things on auto. This doesn't mean that auto is better, just that it's all that will ever be used. If you do overclock and use auto, then on many settings, you're robbing yourself of performance.

    Anything that's done automatically has been set up by a person, with certain parameters. It's not some sort of superior setting, it's simply one that in 99.9% of cases will adjust itself so that things work. Nothing more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phisherman View Post
    Not everyone, almost everyone. I'm sure very few people can tune every setting in BIOS manually. Other than enabeling defaults.

    I did catch a new record which I challenge anyone to beat. Check it out!
    LMAO dude, based on those figures I predict 760GFlops in sandra and no more than 0.44sec 1M SuperPI. I think you realy on to something. Intel would be happy to know their C2D are capable of doing 108GHz, and they can take the next decade off for a vacation.
    Many goverments around the world would be interested having a micro super computer like yours.
    However it could be that contrary to your statement, these autos are not so smart and someone have just messed up the numbets.
    Same as with newspapers - do not believe everything you read.

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    Just out of curiosity, I ran the Super Pi and the Sandra processor arithmetic with my system set to stock 3G (333x9) with the CIA2 disabled and with the CIA2 enabled and set to the maximum setting (full thrust). Although the ET6 was reporting reporting 690MHz increase in the CPU clock (3690) with a CIA2 enabled, there was no noticeable improvements in the bench results. The Super Pi 1M remained at around 16s and the Sandra aggregate score did not budge much from 36.6 GFlops.

    Then I manually overclocked to 3690 and ran the same benches: Super Pi, 12.89s, Sandra 53.46 GFlops.

    Clearly there is no need to continue the experiment further.
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    Sorry, I still disagree. I noticed CIA2 does not use full speed unless needed. It seems it does not think it's needed with most benchmarking/stress programs and runs at a relatively low frequency usually.
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    OMG I cant believe your still using EasyTuner & CIA2, even after its proven time and time again that its so inaccurate its not funny, I agree with Psycho, Gigabyte should Remove it and delete. Ill just wait quietly for a thread called "EP45-UD3LR + E8500 Fried!!"
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    Default Re: Easy Tune 6 CIA2, thoughts and help appreciated! Esp. LSD!

    There really is no need to be rude. I am looking for some helpful advice. If you have any helpful advice, please feel free to share. If you don't, please don't bother.
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