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    Default Re: EX58-Extreme Memory Issues

    Did you say FB as in b BIOS?

    I DO Suggest you try the latest, I actually suggest you use the latest Beta BIOS F8g. You can get that here >>
    http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/giga...st-bios-28441/

    Please read this guide if you are unsure about ANYTHING to do with flashing your BIOS, and please DO NOT use @BIOS >>
    http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/bios...h-guide-27576/

    Do you know what IC's are in those ram sticks? That may be the whole issue, several boards/BIOS's were not compatible with Elpida Hyper IC chips and some of the OCZ have these. So using the latest BIOS would rule this out for sure.

    If you still have issues after updating your BIOS please give us your full settings and we can try to help

    Sorry, I just re-read this. You are using F8g now? Good, please give me the settings in full that you are trying to use that fail and I will advise back some things for you to try out >>>

    This is Just a template I use to ask people their settings, pay no attention to the numbers in it, replace with yours

    0X00000050 << Incorrect Memory Timing/Freq or Uncore Multi
    0X00000124 << Incorrect QPI/Vtt Voltage (To Much/Not Enough)
    0X00000101 << Not enough Vcore Voltage

    CPU = Model #
    Motherboard = Model, Revision #
    BIOS Version =
    Ram = Brand, Model#, Part#, And or Link

    Code:
    Advanced CPU Features:
    CPU Clock Ratio ................................ [20x]
    Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech .................. [Enabled]
    CPU Cores Enabled ............................ [All]
    CPU Multi Threading .......................... [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ................... [Disabled]
    C3/C6/C7 State Support .................... [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor ......................... [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function ............................ [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology ................... [Enabled] << Disabled if you do not use Vmware or Virtual PC Programs
    Bi-Directional PROCHOT ..................... [Enabled]
    
    
    Uncore & QPI Features:
    QPI Link Speed .............................. x36
    Uncore Frequency ..........................  (Always 2x memory Multi or 2x +1)
    Isonchronous Frequency ..................[Enabled]
    
    
    Standard Clock Control:
    Base Clock (BCLK) Control ................ [Enabled]
    BCLK Frequency (MHz) .....................
    PCI Express Frequency (MHz) ........... [100]
    
    C.I.A.2 [Disabled]
    
    Advanced Clock Control:
    CPU Clock Drive ..............................[800mV]
    PCI Express Clock Drive ................... [900mV]
    CPU Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
    IOH Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
    
    
    Advanced DRAM Features:
    Performance Enhance ...................... [Standard]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P) ......... [Disabled]
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD) ........ [AUTO]
    DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) .......... [Manual]
    
    Channel A + B + C
    
    Channel A Timing Settings:
    ##Channel A Standard Timing Control##
    CAS Latency Time ......................
    tRCD .......................................
    tRP .........................................
    tRAS .......................................
    
    ##Channel A Advanced Timing Control##
    tRC ........................................  (Should be = tRAS + tRP or above for stability)
    tRRD .......................................
    tWTR ...................................... (Must be Write to Read Delay/Same Rank - (tWL + 4)
    tWR ........................................
    tWTP .......................................
    tWL ........................................   (tWTP Must = tWR + tWL + 4)(tWL Must be CAS Latency -1)
    tRFC .......................................
    tRTP .......................................
    tFAW ......................................
    Command Rate (CMD) ................
    
    ##Channel A Misc Timing Control##
    Round Trip Latency ...................
    
    
    
    Advanced Voltage Control:
    
    CPU
    Load Line Calibration ................. [Disabled]
    CPU Vcore ...............................
    QPI/VTT Voltage 1.150v ............
    CPU PLL 1.800v .......................
    
    MCH/ICH
    PCIE 1.500v ...........................
    QPI PLL 1.100v .......................
    IOH Core 1.100v .....................
    ICH I/O 1.500v .......................
    ICH Core 1.1v ........................
    
    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage 1.500v ..............
    DRAM Termination 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-A Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-B Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-C Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-A Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-B Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-C Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]

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    Default Re: EX58-Extreme Memory Issues

    Yes, I'm using the latest available (non-beta) bios that was listed in the Bios sticky which appears to be F8g.

    Sorry too late ;-), I'm so used to flashing my Bios on Asus boards using Asus update (in 10 years never had a bad flash) and since the EX58-Extreme is billed as having dual backup bios in case of a bad flash that I never thought twice about it and just used the @BIOS and it worked just fine. (of course I was only running the system with a single 2gb stick)

    I honestly don't have a clue what IC's are in this OCZ 6gb kit, the product page can be found here: OCZ Technology | Products | Memory | OCZ DDR3 PC3-12800 IntelŪ i7 Triple Channel but it doesn't list that as part of the specs. I will get on the phone to OCZ again tomorrow and ask them if this kit uses those IC's and see what they say.

    Looking at the information that you are asking for, I don't see where to get those first three numbers:

    0X00000050 << Incorrect Memory Timing/Freq or Uncore Multi
    0X00000124 << Incorrect QPI/Vtt Voltage (To Much/Not Enough)
    0X00000101 << Not enough Vcore Voltage
    Code:
     CPU = Model # Boxed Core i7 950
    Motherboard = Model, Revision # EX58- Extreme Rev 1 (isn't there only 1 rev of this?)
    BIOS Version = F8g
     Ram = OCZ OCZ3X1600LV6GK 
    
    Advanced CPU Features:
    CPU Clock Ratio ................................ [23x]
    Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech .................. [Enabled]
    CPU Cores Enabled ............................ [All]
    CPU Multi Threading .......................... [Disabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ................... [Enabled]
    C3/C6/C7 State Support .................... [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor ......................... [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function ............................ [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology ................... [Enabled]
    Bi-Directional PROCHOT ..................... [Enabled]
    
    
    Uncore & QPI Features:
    QPI Link Speed .............................. 4.8ghz
    Uncore Frequency ..........................  2133mhz
    Isonchronous Frequency ..................[Enabled]
    
    
    Standard Clock Control:
    Base Clock (BCLK) Control ................ [Disabled]
    BCLK Frequency (MHz) .....................133mhz
    PCI Express Frequency (MHz) ........... [Auto]
    
    C.I.A.2 [Disabled]
    
    Advanced Clock Control:
    CPU Clock Drive ..............................[800mV]
    PCI Express Clock Drive ................... [900mV]
    CPU Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
    IOH Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
    
    
    Advanced DRAM Features:
    Performance Enhance ...................... [Turbo] <-- this is the default set by load optimized defaults and I've set this to standard with no improvement
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P) ......... [Disabled]
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD) ........ [AUTO] 1066
    DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) .......... [Auto]
    
    Pleas note that while getting these settings I only had a single stick in
    
    Channel A + B + C
    
    Channel A Timing Settings:
    ##Channel A Standard Timing Control##
    CAS Latency Time ...................... 7
    tRCD ....................................... 7
    tRP ......................................... 7
    tRAS ....................................... 16
    ##Channel A Advanced Timing Control##
    tRC ........................................  27
    tRRD ....................................... 4
    tWTR ...................................... 4
    tWR ........................................ 8
    tWTP .......................................19
    tWL ........................................ 7
    tRFC ....................................... 60
    tRTP ....................................... 4
    tFAW ...................................... 16
    Command Rate (CMD) ................ 1
    
    ##Channel A Misc Timing Control##
    Round Trip Latency ................... 47
    
    
    
    Advanced Voltage Control:
    
    CPU
    Load Line Calibration ................. [Disabled]
    CPU Vcore ............................... 1.16875v
    QPI/VTT Voltage 1.150v ............ 1.2v
    CPU PLL 1.800v ....................... 1.800v
    
    MCH/ICH
    PCIE 1.500v ........................... 1.500v
    QPI PLL 1.100v ....................... 1.100v
    IOH Core 1.100v ..................... 1.100v
    ICH I/O 1.500v ....................... 1.100v
    ICH Core 1.1v ........................ 1.100v
    
    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage 1.500v .............. 1.500v
    DRAM Termination 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-A Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-B Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-C Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-A Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-B Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-C Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Thanks,

    - Norm

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    Default Re: EX58-Extreme Memory Issues

    The BIOS Sticky are Beta's, especially ones that have a letter after the name. I just posted the latest Beta for the Extreme on that thread, it is F8I. If Stasio has not update the first post with it look for my post on the last page of the thread.

    You have been warned, please DO NOT USE @BIOS.

    I'd say to go ahead and try out the latest beta I mention above because they added in some more memory compatibility and performance enhancements to it.

    Sorry, those first three #'s are BSOD Codes. When you get a BSOD if you see one of those codes for example 0X00000101 you need more Vcore

    I see you are using Auto memory multi and Uncore, this could be part of your issues. Please set these manually. Uncore should always be 2x Memory multi or above

    You are way underclocking your ram, did you know this? If you did, why? If you didn't ok, let me know and I will advise back. I can't advise now though without knowing why you are using the settings you are, I mean if you intended that I don't want to advise against it without knowing your intentions.

    If you would like full stock settings per your hardware suggested let me know and I will suggest them, what you are using now is not stock per your hardware.

    Ohh and on your memory subtimings, are you setting all those or is that what you see on the left for Auto settings? Just want to be sure before I advise you next time around

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    Default Re: EX58-Extreme Memory Issues

    Sorry, I know you have been waiting a while for help here. So I will post stock suggested settings for your setup anyway, that way if that is what you are interested in you will have it and not have to wait on me.

    One sec if you are reading this now, I am editing in settings here

    Stock settings per your memory and CPU

    Advanced CPU Features:
    CPU Clock Ratio ................................ [23x]
    Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech .................. [Enabled]
    CPU Cores Enabled ............................ [All]
    CPU Multi Threading .......................... [Disabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ................... [Enabled] << Disable if you want to disable Intel Speedstep (CPU Run at Full Ghz always)
    C3/C6/C7 State Support .................... [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor ......................... [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function ............................ [Disabled] << Disable if you want to disable Intel Speedstep (CPU Run at Full Ghz always)
    Virtualization Technology ................... [Enabled] << Disable if you do not use VmWare or Virtual Machines
    Bi-Directional PROCHOT ..................... [Enabled]


    Uncore & QPI Features:
    QPI Link Speed .............................. x36 x44 x48 (You may use either of the 3 at stock Blck 133, keep under 8GT/s) x36 or x44 would be easier for you most likely though. Stock would be x36
    Uncore Frequency .......................... 2x ram multiplier or 2x +1 or above. Must always be at least 2x ram multi though, so if using 12 ram multi as below set this to 24-25
    Isonchronous Frequency ..................[Enabled]


    Standard Clock Control:
    Base Clock (BCLK) Control ................ [Disabled]
    BCLK Frequency (MHz) .....................133mhz
    PCI Express Frequency (MHz) ........... [100]

    C.I.A.2 [Disabled]

    Advanced Clock Control:
    CPU Clock Drive ..............................[800mV]
    PCI Express Clock Drive ................... [900mV]
    CPU Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
    IOH Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]


    Advanced DRAM Features:
    Performance Enhance ...................... [Turbo] Use standard for now, you can set Turbo or Extreme later after you get stable
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P) ......... [Disabled]
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD) ........ [x12] = 1600Mhz
    DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) .......... [Manual]

    Pleas note that while getting these settings I only had a single stick in

    Channel A + B + C

    Channel A Timing Settings:
    ##Channel A Standard Timing Control##
    CAS Latency Time ...................... 8
    tRCD ....................................... 8
    tRP ......................................... 8
    tRAS ....................................... 24
    ##Channel A Advanced Timing Control##
    tRC ........................................ 27 << Set Auto
    tRRD ....................................... 4 << Set Auto
    tWTR ...................................... 4 << Set Auto
    tWR ........................................ 8 << Set Auto
    tWTP .......................................19 << Set Auto
    tWL ........................................ 7 << Set Auto
    tRFC ....................................... 60 << Set Auto or at least 82-88, can try lower later on like 72-80
    tRTP ....................................... 4 << Set Auto
    tFAW ...................................... 16 << Set Auto
    Command Rate (CMD) ................ 1

    ##Channel A Misc Timing Control##
    Round Trip Latency ................... 47 << Set Auto



    Advanced Voltage Control:

    CPU
    Load Line Calibration ................. [Disabled]
    CPU Vcore ............................... 1.16875v
    QPI/VTT Voltage 1.150v ............ 1.2v << You will need to find your CPU's own stable voltage here, but normally for 1600Mhz ram and X36-x44 QPI 1.28-1.42 would be good here
    CPU PLL 1.800v ....................... 1.800v

    MCH/ICH
    PCIE 1.500v ........................... 1.500v
    QPI PLL 1.100v ....................... 1.100v
    IOH Core 1.100v ..................... 1.100v << May need 1.14-1.24
    ICH I/O 1.500v ....................... 1.100v
    ICH Core 1.1v ........................ 1.100v

    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage 1.500v .............. 1.500v << Set 1.64-1.66
    DRAM Termination 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-A Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-B Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-C Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-A Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-B Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-C Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Last edited by Lsdmeasap; 08-11-2009 at 02:41 PM.

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    Okay, from now on I'll use the flash drive method.

    I'll try the F8i version asap, it's hard to tell from just a day of very limited testing but it seems like even with a single stick and the system set to optimized defaults there are more stability issues than there were before. Easy Tune 6 keeps crashing on startup which it did not previously do and I tried downloading the latest version from QB and it won't install, something about a corrupt MSI file and the system hung on shutdown last night which it has not done before.

    I'm glad to say that my system has never presented a BSOD, it generally just freezes / becomes unresponsive with the mouse cursor changed to busy (formerly hourglass mode) and while the mouse still moves I can't click on anything nor can I bring up the task manager with Alt-Ctrl-Del. And letting it sit like that for hours does nothing it just stays stuck.

    I'll try setting Auto memory multi and Uncore manually and see what happens.

    I had set the System Memory Multiplier to run at 1066mhz because the Gigabyte Support Rep said "The CPU's memory controller is only guaranteed to work at 1066mhz, anything over that is overclocking and if it doesn't work we can't help you" so I set that just to see if it helped the problem which it has not.

    As far as the memory subtimings, they are set to auto and what I provided is what I saw on the left.

    I will follow your instructions and make those settings changes and see what happens.

    - Norm

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    Default Re: EX58-Extreme Memory Issues

    Just released was the Final Versions for X58 as the ones released yesterday included a broken Microcode from Intel. SO I suggest you go ahead and go to that page again and grab the latest Final version for the Extreme.

    Please always use the latest Version of Easytune >>

    B9.0723.1 (Released 8-6-09)
    GIGABYTE - Support&Download - Motherboard - Utility

    Main page, for apps if you want to bookmark and check once every few weeks
    GIGABYTE - Support&Download - Motherboard - Utility

    And if you need help stoping this from running at startup let me know, there is several ways to stop it if you would like. I only open it to check things myself, so I do not allow it or it's services to run at startup

    You should set memory multi and uncore both manually, sorry if I confused you about that.

    Please go ahead and update the things I noted above, and then try my settings suggested after your BIOS flash and load optimized, ect.

    Then if you still have issues, please tell me exactly what they are (If you get a BSOD, please not the code similar to the "3" you asked about before in my template - Like 0x00000124). And then provide me the full settings you tried that failed and I will advise back

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    Okay, I'll give the latest Easy Tune 6 a try. If you recommend not running it at startup I'm sure that I can either find the entry in the Startup group or the spot in the registry where it's being loaded and prevent it from running on startup.

    I did spend some time last night going down the settings list that you provided and making those settings changes.

    I hope that I understand you correctly that "memory multi" is the "System Memory Multiplier"?

    With all those changes made and three sticks of ram in slots 1,3 and 5, MemTest86 still continues to get to 7% and lock the system.

    I can't thank you enough for the help but let me ask another question. Is PC3-10666 (or PC3-8500) the correct speed memory for this motherboard, and what people have had the most success with? If so rather than spending weeks or months trying to figure out settings that work with this PC3-12800 memory (I think the stress of this is not doing me any good), I'd just go and buy another 6GB memory kit if I had some idea that it would actually work. These are are commonly available 6GB Kits of PC3-10666:

    OCZ - OCZ3X1333LV6GK
    Mushkin - 998706
    Crucial - BL3KIT25664TN1337
    Corsair - TR3X6G1333C9
    G.Skill - F3-10666CL9T-6GBNQ
    Patriot - PVT36G1333LLK

    would you happen to know if any of these work on this EX58-Extreme motherboard without all this manual tweaking?

    Thanks,

    - Norm

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    OCZ - OCZ3X1333LV6GK @1600mhz these are what i have and have my timings at 8 8 8 24 1t @1.66v.
    i7 930 @ 4.2 ghz (200x21) 1.34 vcore 1.33 qpi
    Noctua U12P se1366 Push Pull w/scythe slipstreams
    6GBOCZ1333 @ 1600 - 9 9 9 24 1.64v
    Gigabyte EX58-UD3R f11
    Corsair tx750 PSU
    EVGA GTX260 SC
    Intel SSD80GBG2C1 OS/Apps
    WD Caviar Black 500gb Data
    ASUS Xonar DX
    Klipsch Promedia 2.1
    CM690 Case 3 in 3 out
    Windows 7 64bit

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    Default Re: EX58-Extreme Memory Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Lsdmeasap View Post
    Do you know what IC's are in those ram sticks? That may be the whole issue, several boards/BIOS's were not compatible with Elpida Hyper IC chips and some of the OCZ have these. So using the latest BIOS would rule this out for sure.
    I spoke to OCZ again and when I asked the support technician this question about the Elpida Hyper IC's he said that he was unable to get that level of detail on the chips.

    - Norm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm74656 View Post
    Okay, I'll give the latest Easy Tune 6 a try. If you recommend not running it at startup I'm sure that I can either find the entry in the Startup group or the spot in the registry where it's being loaded and prevent it from running on startup.

    I did spend some time last night going down the settings list that you provided and making those settings changes.

    I hope that I understand you correctly that "memory multi" is the "System Memory Multiplier"?

    With all those changes made and three sticks of ram in slots 1,3 and 5, MemTest86 still continues to get to 7% and lock the system.

    I can't thank you enough for the help but let me ask another question. Is PC3-10666 (or PC3-8500) the correct speed memory for this motherboard, and what people have had the most success with? If so rather than spending weeks or months trying to figure out settings that work with this PC3-12800 memory (I think the stress of this is not doing me any good), I'd just go and buy another 6GB memory kit if I had some idea that it would actually work. These are are commonly available 6GB Kits of PC3-10666:

    OCZ - OCZ3X1333LV6GK
    Mushkin - 998706
    Crucial - BL3KIT25664TN1337
    Corsair - TR3X6G1333C9
    G.Skill - F3-10666CL9T-6GBNQ
    Patriot - PVT36G1333LLK

    would you happen to know if any of these work on this EX58-Extreme motherboard without all this manual tweaking?

    Thanks,

    - Norm
    Yes Memory Multi is SMM (System Memory Multiplier)

    What Memtest are you using? Should be Memtest86+ 2.11 >>
    Memtest86+ - Advanced Memory Diagnostic Tool

    Are you using AHCI By chance? If so you may need to disable AHCI while you run memtest86+, if you are using the 2.11 Version already I mean. If you was using Memtest (NO 86+) or an older version please get the lates version and branded one i linked.


    These boards will run 2100+ Mhz, without issues. They also do support 1066 and 1333 of course like you said, but 1600Mhz is the norm for X58 and is not an issue at all.

    You did update the BIOS right? Just checking as some older ones may be incomptible with your ram.

    You just need to find the right settings and I can help, no need to buy more slower memory just to get stable (Cause you will need to tweak it as well likely)

    If worse came to worse and you gave up before I could help you get going, even then you would not need different ram as you can always under clock what you have and tighten up the timings. Not suggested at all, but just trying to get you away from thinking you need more/slower ram. And acutally you could also just let the board set your ram auto (Which would likely go to 1066) if you wanted, but you would still need to find and set your own stable QPI/Vtt voltages

    Now choice of brands, that is a different story and one I can discuss publicly. I have other preferences when it comes to this area, but we all do I suppose. If you would like to know my thoughts about that you can PM me anytime. But please do let us try to get what you have going before you think about anything else

    Quote Originally Posted by Norm74656 View Post
    I spoke to OCZ again and when I asked the support technician this question about the Elpida Hyper IC's he said that he was unable to get that level of detail on the chips.

    - Norm
    He is LYING to you because of all the issues around these IC's lately. Terrible service IMO!!!

    Sure he may just be a little phone tech, but you know he has a list of what's what and or has been notified of the known issues and can easily check that anytime.


    I will check for you, I know a ongoing list. Will post back once I can tell you for sure.

    Does your kit have Green or Black PCB? I ask because I found some issues with XMP Programmings mentioned at their site here >>
    http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...ad.php?t=54325

    I also found this review for you, so you know they are fine in a Gigabyte X58 board
    http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...it-review.html

    After reading that review I found that the modules are cemented to the heatspreader so the IC's used will likely always be a mystery unless someone destroys them (Still looking)
    Last edited by Lsdmeasap; 08-14-2009 at 03:10 PM.

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