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    Default Re: Thinking of upgrading my processor. Need advice.

    Optimistic:
    Depends what you mean..2 year timespan.
    Buy the processor and this new gx card now and you will probably be able to play any game out now with max performance.
    Some game released in 2 years time you will probably be able to play it on "minimum sys requirements" but not able to get max performance.

    Obviously the game manufacturers dont want to cut out older systems entirely and lose customers ..but also in conjunction with cpu/mbrd and gx card manufacturers they want you to have a reason to buy newer products.
    Since youve stated u really dont want to overclock at all,fair enough get a 8500 dual if buying right now or 9550 ,its price probably wont drop as drastically as the others.

    How much better than your E6700 any of them would actually be, . you really might not notice much of a difference on standard clock speeds.

    Charts, benchmarks Desktop CPU Charts Q3/2008, Crysis - 1680x1050

    Gx cards u sure will,in gaming.
    What would I do if I didnt want to overclock and was a gamer..
    Spend the money on the gx card upgrades ..making sure pcie express 2 wasnt goin out of style anytime soon,
    Let my 6700 and its mbrd run its natural lifespan and then get p55 probably a dell/hp /packardbell/medion..whatever.
    My last one of those had a gigabyte mbrd and it worked fine.
    The basic models usually have sucky/obrd gx but as long as you can slot your card in,why worry.

    Youll get win 7 or whatever is out at the time for free..you wont be able to overclock anything except the gx card(if you want to).The only thing you might have to buy as an extra would be a better psu for your gx card.

    Invalidating warranty is relative
    1.if you "lap" your cpu ie sand the surface Intel will tell you to"go away"
    2.Overclocking it as long as you stay within voltage limitswhy should it invalidate it?.
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    Default Re: Thinking of upgrading my processor. Need advice.

    What you’re saying is; keep the E6700, get a decent graphics card and that should see me right for a while. Then, at a later date, get a new setup based on an i7 or the new i5 coming out soon.
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    Default Re: Thinking of upgrading my processor. Need advice.

    The P45 also does not support PCI 2.0 another thing to concider

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    Default Re: Thinking of upgrading my processor. Need advice.

    Well yes if not overclocking,thats what id try,just my opinion tho.

    I mean..my cpu cooler I bought it just at the time they included an attachment kit for 1336 and the cooler is on the i7 recommended list,which is good because I like overclocking.
    If I didnt, it wouldnt matter because whatever is included with my cpu is going to be just fine.
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    I’ve just tries overclocking my E6700. I altered the 2.66 to 3.00 and left the 10X bit. On re-boot it all locked up! I hit the reset button and after a two failed boots, it started up again at the old settings of 2.66 x 10. I also tried Easy Tune 5, that had the same effect. As soon as I moved the slider up to increase the CPU speed, it all locked up again. For some reason my system won’t overclock.
    <o:p> </o:p>
    I’ve read the ‘sticky’ regarding overclocked, but it’s not specific to my system and setup.
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    If overclocking a E8400 to E8600 speeds, the CPU will be under no more strain than an actual E8600. They're the same pieces of silicon. It's entirely possible that when buying an E8400 and an E8600 that they were cut from the same slice and may have been right next to each other.

    On the warranty side of it, overclocking such a small amount won't effect life span in any detectable way. If you do overclock and have to call on the warranty, as long as the CPU isn't a black and charred mess, Intel have no way of knowing what speed you ran it at and at what voltage. I can say 100% that using the stock VID to get a E8400 to 3.33GHz is doable on virtually all E8400's and does not produce any measurable strain.

    Clock for clock, the E8/Q8/Q9 series are slightly faster than your E6xxx due to improvements in architecture. This isn't significant. Even the extra cache on the 45NM designs doesn't make a huge difference.

    Your current chip should be able to comfortably do 3.33GHz. Simply setting the FSB to 333 with a 10* multiplier, adjusting RAM multi to keep at DDR-800 and increasing CPU Core voltage to what ever is needed to be stable will give you a chip that'll keep up with anything. If you were going to ditch the CPU anyway, then it's worth taking a chance. The risk on sensible voltages and clocks is as close to zero as it could be. Your PC will outlive its usefulness ad you'll stop using it way way before it fails from old age or wear and tear as long as sensible settings are used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica View Post
    I’ve just tries overclocking my E6700. I altered the 2.66 to 3.00 and left the 10X bit. On re-boot it all locked up! I hit the reset button and after a two failed boots, it started up again at the old settings of 2.66 x 10. I also tried Easy Tune 5, that had the same effect. As soon as I moved the slider up to increase the CPU speed, it all locked up again. For some reason my system won’t overclock.
    <o:p> </o:p>
    I’ve read the ‘sticky’ regarding overclocked, but it’s not specific to my system and setup.
    If you just raise FSB and don't alter anything else, the P|C will lock up. You need to also lock PCIe frequency to 100, adjust the RAM multiplier so that you still get DDR-800 and not something higher that the RAM can't handle. Vcore needs raising until stable, along with CPU Termination, MCH Core voltage and adjustments in Static tRead and other RAM timings may be needed.

    EasyTune isn't the cleverest of programs either unfortunately. I'm over clocking this CPU from 2.8GHz to 3.9GHz (a 1.1GHz or 1100MHz increase) and if I use ET6 or CIA2 without altering settings in the bios first, I can't even get 3.024GHz. With manual over clocking I am as stable as anyone running stock speeds (total of 48 hours Prime stable, 8 hours OCCt and 50 IBT runs). I've not had a single BSOD since finalizing my settings.

    If you post up your BIOS template and current settings used, then someone can supply you with settings to use. It's important you understand what each setting does too as just using settings and not understanding can be frustrating for you when it comes to fine tuning.

    the following guide is very useful, and isn't that long really:HEXUS.net - Tech explained :: Intel Core 2 Duo basic overclocking guide for beginners : Page - 1/9

    Ofc their settings may be for different CPU's, but it's the under lying principles that are important rather than the specific settings used. It's like the difference between someone teaching you to cook one particular dish VS them giving you basic skills to cook a wide range of foods.

    Many don't overclock. Some because they believe it's dangerous, which is a valid opinion, but is way over played. Others don't have the knowledge (not everyone knows everything after all, that's why people specialise in careers etc) or don't have the patience/time to learn what to do.

    With in 2 evenings of tinkering, most, if given the right guidance, should get ~80% of the way to the max overclock for their CPU, which is plenty for most. 12-14 hours may seem alot of time, but if it saves you the £200 price of buying a new CPU then that's like getting £15 a hour to sit at home with a cup of tea/coffe or a beer, playing around with a PC. Great stuff.
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    Default Re: Thinking of upgrading my processor. Need advice.

    Thanks for the replies…
    <o:p> </o:p>
    I quote:-
    <o:p> </o:p>
    “You need to also lock PCIe frequency to 100, adjust the RAM multiplier so that you still get DDR-800 and not something higher that the RAM can't handle. Vcore needs raising until stable, along with CPU Termination, MCH Core voltage and adjustments in Static tRead and other RAM timings may be needed.”
    <o:p> </o:p>
    That’s one of the reasons I didn’t want to overclock. It’s far too complicated.
    <o:p> </o:p>
    Isn’t there an easier way?
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    Default Re: Thinking of upgrading my processor. Need advice.

    All you probably need to change is CPU Ration (start with 8 it'll be the same speed you have now) FSB (333) Memory multiplier (2.4) Vcore may need small increase or none at all for these settings.
    If everything runs stable at 2.66GHz with 333FSB you can then try to increase CPU Ratio and Vcore as needed, always keeping an eye on the temperatures with CoreTemp or RealTemp.
    It's all simple, but not that complicated either.

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    No, there is no simpler way than that. Raising FSB alters other settings that basically need to be pulled back into line to avoid instability.

    It's really quite easy once the basic principles are explained. If we could see the layout of your BIOS and what settings you have availible I'm sure someone could give you 3.33GHz settings that will be stable. It then needs fine tuning by you to make sure that it is stable (testing can be run overnight while you sleep) and that temperatures aren't too high etc.

    It's money for old rope really, but some time investment is needed. As you are a keen gamer, I'm positive that you will be able to get to grips with the concept easily. After all to be good at gaming takes good judgement and analytical skills.

    Download a program called Prime95 and another called CoreTemp. The first is used to load up the CPU and test stability. The second monitors the temperature of your CPU cores. If this gets over 70c, you may want to stop Prime. 70-72 is ok, but much over means you need to lower voltages if possible (Vcore/CPU voltage) or maybe invest in a better cooler. If using the stock Intel heatsink, 3GHz may be all that will run at a safe temperature.

    As a quick guide, the following settings need to be changed in your BIOS to get things working at 3Ghz to start with (nice and easy):

    CPU Vcore/ CPU Core Voltage: I'd set this to 1.4V and adjust down later or up right away if needed.

    CPU Termination/VTT/FSB voltage; Set this value to between 1.3 and 1.45V for your 65nm chip. 1.36V would be a good starting point for a first boot.

    CPU Reference(s)/CPU GTL: Leave these set to auto. You may have one CPU ref setting or two depending on your board,

    MCH reference/MCH GTL: If you have this setting, also leave on auto for now.

    PLL voltage: Set to stock of 1.5V or increase up to 1.61V max. Try 1.57V for first boot.

    MCH core: Set this to 1.2-1.28V. I'd try 1.22V for a first boot.

    VDIMM/DRAM Voltage: Set this to the maximum rated voltage for your RAM kit, labelled on the side of the sticks or on the manufacturers web site.

    System Memory Multiplier/RAM Multiplier: This needs to be set so that this number x FSB frequency = 800 or close to it. Perferably under 800 if you can't get 800 exactly. Over isn't guaranteed to work. For 3GHz, set a 300 FSB and a RAM multiplier of 2.66. There may be two or more 2.66 setting with different letters after them. Try them both, using the earliest letter first, eg if 2.66A and 2.66D are availible, use D first.

    Remember, for 3GHz you also need to set the FSB/CPU clock to 300 and lock the PCIe frequency to 100.

    You may be able to enter absolute voltages in your motherboard, ie if a component needs 1.4V, you cycle up using page up/page down until you see "1.4V" displayed. Some boards have settings to add aditional voltage to the stock volts and have the stock voltage stated on the left followed by settings like "+0.1V, +0.2V, +0.3V" etc. in this case if stock voltage is 1.3V and you want 1.4V, you set "+0.1V" because 1.3V + 0.1V = 1.4V.

    It would be better if you could post your BIOS template so we can see exactly what choices you do have.

    Note that I don't know if you can adjust Static tRead for example without seeing the options you have available. This means that the above may not work, simply sue to that fact.

    Edit: This is only my opinion, byut changing the CPU ratio down and testing a higher FSB first isn't really worth it in my experience. It just wastes time (for me) that could be spent looking at a configuration you will actually be using. Just because 333FSB proves stable with a 8x multi, doesn't mean it will with any other multiplier. Separating components and testing individually in this way has never lead to useful results for me. Also, going for 333 FSB right away isn't the best idea. A nice small increase in over all FSB and CPU speed first, along with adjustments in voltages is a better idea and you actually get to see a speed increase right away. If the CPU has a 10x multi, then the easiest overclock should come from using the max multiplier, not a lower one. If you get more into over clocking you may want to try this method and see if it works for you, but being new to it all, the approach will probably put you off due to spending time and not really getting anywhere initially.
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