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    Default Re: Thinking of upgrading my processor. Need advice.

    Try the following, keeping the 300 FSB, no need to over complicate by lowering multipliers etc, not yet any way.

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    Robust Graphics Booster_________[Auto]
    CPU Clock Ratio_________________[??X]
    CPU Host Clock Control__________[Disabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz)________???
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_____ Change to 100
    C.I.A. 2________________________[Disabled]
    Performance Enhance ________________ [Standard]
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD)__[2.66] 
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ???______???
    High Speed DRAM DLL Settings____[Option 1]
    System Voltage Control__________[Manual]
    DDR2/DDR3 OverVoltage Control___[Set to the RAM specs. If 1.8V RAM use normal or +0.0]
    PCI-E OverVoltage Control_______[+0.1]
    FSB OverVoltage Control_________[+0.1 or +0.2]
    (G)MCH OverVoltage Control______[+0.1 or +0.2]
    CPU Voltage Control_____________[Enter amount to make the Vcore 1.4V to 1.45V, go 1.4V first]
    Normal CPU Vcore________________1.????V This value plus the amount set in CPU V Control = actual Vcore set.
    In the RAM settings, the only setting I would change is Static tRead Value. Set it to 7 for now as if auto is setting 4, that's low for 300 FSB. You may get 6 or even 5 working, but 7 for now will make sure. I would also go ahead and enter the first four timings (the 5-5-5-15 ones) manually to the same 5-5-5-15. This is because changing SMM (SPD may stop the SPD being used on your board. In this case the board sets failsafes of 5-7-7-something, which aren't needed.

    I'm not saying that Chike is wrong, it's a valid way to O|C too, just that you will easy get 3GHz with little Vcore increase. 333MHz CPU speed should also be noticeable in games, as long as you have a current GPU.
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    Agreed, but not 7xxx and I really don't recommend a Q9300/9400 either. I'd say that should be said as anything 8400 and above and Q9550 and above, E3110 is also a great Dual Core choice as is the X3350/X3360
    For a general purpose rig used by a keen over clocker I tend to agree. However there is a lot of satisfaction to be had about pushing so called "non premium" parts to their limit, often over taking CPU's of between double and 8 times the price (8 times refering to the crazy priced Extreme editions).

    In fact, If I were on a budget for an all out gaming PC I'd get myself an EP45-Ud3R (P if I could stretch to it, ~£25 more) 4GB of cheap but reliable 1066 RAM like the blue G.Skill PK or some Corsair XMS2 and a really cheap E5200 (£45 brand new). The E5200 will clock to at least 3.4GHz, even if it's a poor chip which is plenty for a mid end GPU such as a HD 4850 (almost a complete 9800 GTX+ beater), A HD 4770 (slightly slower than the 4850, but not by much, has GDDR5 but only a 128bit RAM buss making bandwidth equal) or even an Nvidia 9800GT would be respectable, but the 8800GT is virtually identical and cheaper, it just lacks Hybrid Power support.

    It's surprising how much power you can have for a small amount of cash. The look on people's faces when your £70 CPU thrashes their stock clocked £200 one is very satisfying indeed. With the above configuration you have around three times the raw power of an 1900XT/1800XT based (contains a bit of both) XBox 360, which is sweet. Fall out 3 never looked so good as it does on the PC for example. PC textures are also way more high res than the 360 can manage.
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    Default Re: Thinking of upgrading my processor. Need advice.

    I’ve done what has been suggested. Followed your instructions to the letter. I still can’t alter anything in the BIOS. Always results in several re-boots before resetting itself.
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    I downloaded the latest version of EasyTune 6 (23-07-2009). The first thing I noticed was the CPU speed. It was 1622.59Mhz? I know this must be wrong – or is it? Perhaps this is what wrong with my computer.
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    Can any one see any other problems?
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    I think there must be something wrong with either my motherboard, RAM or CPU.

    Thanks for all the support.

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    Default Re: Thinking of upgrading my processor. Need advice.

    As I already said, fill the template with which settings you have, working or not, and post it back, or post the MIT picture with your current (overclock) settings as you did before.

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    I'm sorry that the settings haven't worked for you. It's often difficult for someone to OC remotely, especially if (no offence to you ofc) the person has no previous knowledge of adjusting BIOS values.

    Your CPU is behaving as it should. When it's idle the Intel Enhanced SpeedStep function (with help from the C1E function) will change the CPU multiplier down to 6. This is a good thing as it saves power and less importantly lowers both idle temp and the time it takes the CPU to cool from being at 100% load to unloaded.

    As your Front Side Buss is 266, then 266*6 does equal the correct 1600 (1596 really, programs may round it off). As soon as the CPU is loaded, even a little bit, SpeedStep kicks the multiplier back up to maximum, which in your case is 10, and 10*266 = your stock 2.66GHz.

    If you want to continue trying, set everything back to stock, lock the PCIe frequency to 100 again and increase the FSB just a little bit with the System Memory Multiplier set again to 2.66. Something like 275*10 will give you (hopefully) 2.75GHz.

    You may also want to try those settings again (the ones in my last post). This time (and for the 2.75GHz test) disable Speedstep. It will be in one of the BIOS menus, usually Advanced Features or similar. the setting could be called EIST, SpeedStep or something similar. You'll also want to disable something called C1E which does a similar thing to SpeedStep. Both these features are enabled by default. These features do cause boot failures for some and also instability at OC'd settings.

    Filling in the template with settings exactly as you have them would, as Chike says, be useful. Everyone can make mistakes and you may have set something slightly wrong. I've done it before, as have many others. A photo of the MIT section taken with a digi cam would be OK if you don't like working with the template. In fact visual confirmation may be better in this case.
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    Default Re: Thinking of upgrading my processor. Need advice.

    So far so good…
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    I changed the CPU Host frequency (Mhz) to 275 (use to be 266)
    Changed the PCI Express frequency (Mhz) to 100 (use to be [Auto])
    Changed the Performance Enhance to [Standard] (use to be [Turbo])
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    Noted that the Memory Frequency (Mhz) changed from 800 to 825 (is this OK)?
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    I’m now running at 2.750Ghz (seems stable and is OK)
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    Now what?

    Do I need to change the System Memory Multiplier (Mhz) from [Auto] to something (?) to bring the Memory Frequency (Mhz) back to 800

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    My temps are all the same at these settings.
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    Default Re: Thinking of upgrading my processor. Need advice.

    nothing wrong,its just a power saving feature ,
    Your cpu will go down to a lower multiplier if its full speed isnt needed.
    If you run any programs that need some processor power the cpu will go up to its full speed.
    Most adjustable motherboards you can disable the "power saving feature" if you wish.

    My previous reply was really based on the the fact that you dont want to overclock at all.
    Ie you would see marginal performance increases with an expensive cpu.

    If your sure u want to overclock what you have now and get to probably at least the performance of a standard unclocked 8600 dual,im sure its doable if thats what you want.

    I would say tho that the higher priced q9650 and 8600 even are going to drop a lot in price very soon.

    The i7 bloomfield processor thats out now is very good and the base version of it isnt much more expensive than a q9650.
    The main big cost is a motherboard for it. Thats because the i7 needs a lot of circuitry for its multi threading and internal overclocking.
    Its like a "company server" chip.

    The new i5 wont be as complex for "normal users" but should have similar performance,but what i think is going to drop the older chip prices down is that the mbrd the new processor will need will be much cheaper .

    Gigabyte have been working on the P55 chipset for 12 months now and since they can produce 3 million motherboards a year in Nanping they are going to want to sell some and they should be a lot cheaper than the P58 ones

    This is going to happen fairly soon so I definitely wouldnt be in a rush to buy any of the top end 775 cpu's.There could be a lot of "unloading" of stock around the big selling time ,ie cmas holiday period.

    If you want totry some easy overclocking on what you have right now,post your own bios settings.
    It may be that your memory is being overclocked too much ,,post your bios settings and someone should have suggestions for changes.
    Chilke has posted your mbrd bios I think,all you have to do is copy that with cntrlc make a reply here ,paste that template in and edit the settings to show what yours are.

    Edit: You really need to post the full bios setttings et5/6 doesnt cut it.its groping in the dark.

    Hey I notice a lot of action on this thread..could be "damsel in distress " syndrome even if its not a real damsel, lol dont mind me Im cynical.
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    Default Re: Thinking of upgrading my processor. Need advice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica View Post
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    I’m now running at 2.750Ghz (seems stable and is OK)
    Yes, since you left multiplier on auto it uses the default 3.00A. The memory can be overclocked too up to a point and with the right voltage but we know very little about your memory. Could you also post a screen capture of EasyTune Memory tab?

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    Sorry about that.
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    Memory slots:-
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    Slot 1
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    Slot 2
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    Slot 3
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    Slot 4
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...Hart/Slot4.jpg
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    I’ve just upped the CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) to 280. Seems to be OK so far. Now running at 2.8Ghz
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    that sounds OK. I'd also increase the Static tRead Value by at least one or two steps (from 4 to 6) and add a little on to CPU Voltage (Vcore). You can use the minimum amount of Vcore increase. It may be stable at stock, but this al helps limit the chance of you failing a stability test, which is a waste of your time if that happens.

    Your RAM may be OK at DDR-825 or itmay not. To change the speed it runs at, alter the System Memory Multiplier setting. Aim to get it as close to DDR-800 as you can, but usually slightly under is better for stability and doesn't effect performance in real world aplications.

    You should test for stability before moving on. Download CoreTemp, Intel Burn Test and Prime95. With CoreTemp running, open IBT and set it for 10 runs at the standard stress level. Keep an eye on temperatures reported by CoreTemp while it's running. If temperatures get really high (65-70c) you may want to stop. If IBT passes without any errors (it will tell you while doing the test and at the end of the test) then you can add a little more onto your FSB speed, to say 285MHz (definitely make sure RAM is at or under DDR-800) and then try IBT again. When you get to the point that you can't boot or IBT doesn't pass, use the last FSB speed that did pass and run Prime 95 on those settings over night, for at least 8 hours. If Prime passes without errors then your system should be stable enough for gaming and office apps etc. Note that there's no such thing as 100% stable even for a stock system. To prove 100% stability you'd have to run a stability test for an infinite amount of time. Even thn, that only proves that the PC can run the specific program with stability, it may fail on others.

    When you reach the max overclock you can, again post your settings. BIOS screens or the template filled out exactly with your settings is needed really. You can also try gaming for a hour or so to help confirm relative stability in 3D applications.

    @ Kick, there is no gender favouritism with me. A gamer in need is a gamer in need. I'd treat anyone the same in this regard, male or female.

    Edit: As soon as you up the FSB in ET5/6 and it looks stable, re-start and enter the setting in the BIOS proper. ET5/6 is useful as a quick test, but stability testing is IMO better done with BIOS settings.
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