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    Default Thinking of upgrading my processor. Need advice.

    Thinking of upgrading my processor. Need advice.
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    At the moment I have an E6700 on my Gigabyte GA-P35C-DS3R mobo. Iíve updated the BIOS to F12 so that I can fit either an E8600 (duo) or a Q9650 (quad). I see that the E8600 is 3.33Ghz and the Q9650 is 3.0Ghz. Thereís not much difference in price so I was wondering which one I should go for? I do play a lot of games and a little word processing.
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    I really donít want to upgrade to i7. That would mean a new mobo, CPU and RAM. For now I think Iíll stick with my setup and just buy a new CPU and a new 5000 series ATI graphics card when they come out in a few weeks time.
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    Any advice will be appreciated.
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    Default Re: Thinking of upgrading my processor. Need advice.

    Do you plan on overclocking?
    If not, for current games the E8600 will perform best (higher freq). Altough, future games will have 4 (or more?) cores support, so the Q9650 will be a better deal. And you can easily OC it to 3.6-4GHz which will make a big difference. If I had the money, I'd go for the Q9650.
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    Default Re: Thinking of upgrading my processor. Need advice.

    Maybe someone that has tried them both could enlighten you. They are both core2 the quad is four pipelines or threads with twice the cache.
    E8600
    SLB9L
    3.33 GHz
    06
    1333 MHz
    10.0
    6 MB
    3.33 GHz
    LGA775
    45 nm
    E0
    1067Ah
    65W
    72.4įC
    0.85V – 1.3625V

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    3 GHz
    05A
    1333 MHz
    9.0
    12 MB
    3 GHz Package Type:
    LGA775
    45 nm
    E0
    1067Ah
    95W
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    0.85V – 1.3625V
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    Default Re: Thinking of upgrading my processor. Need advice.

    8500 or q9550 seem better value.
    how they work in your mbrd I dont know
    One thing is the 775 processors are going to drop in price even more when the i5 and i3 come out.

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    Default Re: Thinking of upgrading my processor. Need advice.

    No, I wonít be doing any overclocking. I was hoping for someone to make the decision for me. As you say, if games in the future support quad core processors, then thatís the route to take. But weíve had quad core processors for a few years now and how many quad core games are there? Not many, if any at all. I still canít decide.
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    Has any one had any experience of these two processors?
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    Default Re: Thinking of upgrading my processor. Need advice.

    not specifically but it sounds like u use your pc for gaming?
    Of the 2 the 8600 should be better just because of the higher speed.If they were both the same speed the quad would be better no matter what you used it for.
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    Default Re: Thinking of upgrading my processor. Need advice.

    I have experience with Core 2 Duo's and Core 2 Quads, though not those particular CPU's. All knowledge on these 45nm chips carries over regardless of the actual model though.

    You are right in saying that there are few games currently that really take advantage of a Quad core. the one exception is Grand theft Auto 4. A Q6600 at 2.4GHz (stock) is able to keep up with a 3.6GHz dual core quite comfortably. In most other games though, which ever CPU you can get to the higher clock speed will be the better one to go for.

    What graphics card are you running currently?

    I actually "downgraded from a 3.4GHz (over clocked) Quad Core to a 3.9GHz (over clocked) Dual Core. For me, clock speed was more important. I've just bought a second 4850 to go Crossfire so I'm hoping that the faster Dual Core will be better. I still have the Q8200 to test with though.

    I would definitely consider buying either a Q8400 or a Q9550 instead. I understand you may have no experience in overclocking, but for example an E8400 can be "turned into" an E8600 so easily, it's unreal. Such a modest over clock is not only a smart thing to do, it's 99.99999% guaranteed to be easy to achieve, and 100% safe. Same goes for turning a Q9550 into a Q9650, or even a QX9770. The Q9550 is the Quad of choice for over clockers and non over clockers.

    If you buy an E8400 over a Q8600 you save £75/$120 or there abouts, which is a huge saving. They are virtually the same CPU, except Intel have locked the multipliers at different positions to give the different speeds. The clocking of an E8400 to E8600 speeds can be done on the stock intel cooler without issue.

    Buying a Q9550 rather than a Q9650 saves you £80/$135 or more and the same applies to it.

    With your current board, a modest overclock to E8600/Q9650 speeds is a dead cert. Anyone here would be able to supply you with settings to achieve your goal.

    If going for the stock option and you don't mind following Intel's pricing structure, then I'd go for the E8600. For the foreseeable future the extra 330MHz will benefit you more in games than two extra cores. If you did a lot of video/audio/encryption I'd take the quad.

    I'd be willing to bet that bythe time it really is needed to have a Quad for gaming, your new system will be obsolete, regardless of the CPU you choose. It's always the same with PC's, future proofing usually ends up not going according to plan.

    Any more questions regarding saving yourself some major cash (to turn into beer money, clothes money maybe), feel free to ask. Anyone who's replied already and others here are more than capable of giving you good advice. Weigh up all the options and then make the final decision based on what you feel comfortable with. For me, clock speed is the king of gaming.
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    Default Re: Thinking of upgrading my processor. Need advice.

    Even though you said you won't be overclocking, that Q9650 can reach 3.6GHz just by increasing FSB to 400MHz and leaving almost all other settings to Normal (same Voltages and temperatures like with stock). That would make it a best buy, for me at least.
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    Default Re: Thinking of upgrading my processor. Need advice.

    As Morph says, simply altering the FSB on a chip by a small amount will yield good results on normal voltages. I'd get the 9550 personally though if going quad and save some cash in the process. My ex said she could never have too many clothes/shoes. And if you're not a "girly girl" then use it to get drunk or buy a few more games. Saving it towards your ATI5xxx card would also be usefull.

    Over clocking to such a small degree is childs play, and you're basically earning money with the time spent doing it. Getting a higher spec CPU than what you paid for it is money in the bank.
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    IMHO get the E8500 and save the rest of your money for something else. You're not going to overclock so the core 2 duo cpu would suit you better since you have a P35 mobo. Quads run better on a P45 mobo. Just my 2 cents!
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