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    Exclamation Reset Problems - (AMD) GA-MA78G-DS3H

    Hi guys, this is my first post on this forum so I'll quickly intoduce myself as Kris, 23 from the South West of U.K

    I spend the majority of my spare time producing progressive house music and recording live edits from various sources.

    So, on to my problem! Pretty plain and simple, but more annoying because it doesnt give an indication why;

    My computer will reset itself randomly. I've turned off the system reset protection in order to get some kind of answer from the blue screen of death, but it doesnt come up with one! Just resets to black every time.

    This problem has been non-existant since I first built in in November 2008, and then appeared over the last 3 weeks.

    Time scales are completely random. This morning the computer had been running for 25 minutes then just reset itself. Last night it had been on for several hours before deciding to give up. As I type now it's been on for about 3 hours with no problems.

    As you can imagine this is having a big impact on my workflow because I am constantly saving musical projects and am petrified of losing all the hard work!

    So far I have done/checked the following:


    • Driver Updates (All)
    • Hard drive format/ fresh install of Vista x64
    • Temperature checks of CPU/Graphics Card
    • BIOS update to F8

    I checked around for hot areas inside and found that the Hard Drive was rather hot, So purchased a front case fan and ran it with it on, but still had the same issue, although the hard drive was then only luke warm. So I guess I can count the HD out.

    However the NorthBridge is hot to the touch - is this perfectly normal?

    Other points to note:

    I used Si Soft to get my system details a few moments ago and it came up with two notices - could anyone shed any light as to whether these are likely to be related, and how they could be resolved?;

    <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../style/OFFICE10.CSS"> Tip T100 - Large memory systems (1GB or greater) should use Registered/Buffered memory, especially if more than 2 are installed on the same channel. This improves signal quality by reducing the load on the chipset channel. While these modules add an extra clock delay due to the on-board buffers (thus CL2 effectively becomes CL3), the stability will be worth it. Server chipsets with many memory slots generally require Registered memory.
    Fix: If you plan on adding more memory, consider replacing the modules with Registered/Buffered modules. Do note that you cannot mix Unbuffered and Registered/Buffered modules on the same channel, but you may be able to if the chipset has multiple memory channels.


    <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../style/OFFICE10.CSS"> Tip T2546 - Large memory modules (512 or greater) should be ECC/Parity. Since the probability that a bit will be corrupt is the same or increases with module density, the bigger the module, the bigger the overall probability that you will get one or more corrupted bits. While these modules add an extra delay on partial writes (e.g. less than data width) as parity for the whole line must be re-calculated, the stability will be worth it.
    Fix: If you plan on adding more memory, consider replacing the modules with ECC/Parity modules. Do note that running plain and ECC/Parity modules will turn off ECC/Parity for the whole memory array.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated! I'm a little stumped, but am leaning towards RAM issues.....

    Kris

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    > Mainboard : Gigabyte GA-MA78G-DS3H (Rev 1.0)
    > Chipset : AMD RS70 Host Bridge
    > Processor : AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 5400+
    > HeatSink and Fan (HSF): Akasa EVO Blue
    > Physical Memory: Corsair 4GB Kit (2x2GB) DDR2 800MHz/PC2-6400 XMS2 Memory Kit CL5 1.9V
    > Video Card : ATI Radeon 4670 (Sapphire) + Accelero L2 Pro
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    Default Re: Reset Problems - (AMD) GA-MA78G-DS3H

    Did you set your own Memory voltages in the BIOS? And did you raise or set Northbridge or memory controller voltages, this would need to be raised a little for 4GB.

    You may also need to set tRFC to 195ns or possibly 327ns

    Sorry I can't offer much advice on AMD, hopefully one of our AMD Guys will stop in to help you out a bit.

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    Default Re: Reset Problems - (AMD) GA-MA78G-DS3H

    Hi KrisKJB Lets start with temperatures. Do you believe it is heat? Do you have a can of canned air around? I imagine the inside of that case is dusty right? Can you get into bios and go to your PC Health Status? This is a template can you right down your voltages and temperatures and replace the ones on this template with yours so we can get an Idea of your systems health? You can just type yours beside these.
    Code:
    PC Health Status
    Reset Case Open Status [Disabled]
    Case Opened No
    Vcore 1.376V
    DDR2 1.8V 1.872V
    +3.3V 3.328V
    +12V 12.112V
    Current System Temperature 30oC
    Current CPU Temperature 47oC
    Current CPU FAN Speed 3375 RPM
    Current SYSTEM FAN Speed 0 RPM
    Current SYSTEM FAN2 Speed 0 RPM
    Current POWER FAN Speed 0 RPM
    CPU Warning Temperature [Disabled]
    CPU FAN Fail Warning [Disabled]
    SYSTEM FAN Fail Warning [Disabled]
    CPU Smart FAN Control [Enabled]
    CPU Smart FAN Mode [Auto]
    System Smart FAN Control [Enabled]
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    Default Re: Reset Problems - (AMD) GA-MA78G-DS3H

    LSDMEASAP:

    I didn't change the settings just left everything as it was, assuming that the BIOS would automatically configure for a bigger amount of RAM.

    I'm not sure how to check/do this! Could you please point me in the right direction with that?

    -------------------------------

    ARTDRIVERS:

    Here are my results - I don't believe the Computer heat is the problem. Even when I had my noisy system fan running its nuts of and keeping everything really cool, the reset still occurs!



    PC Health Status
    Reset Case Open Status [Disabled]
    Case Opened No
    Vcore 1.394v
    DDR2 1.8V 1.952v
    +3.3V 3.264v
    +12V 11.731v
    Current System Temperature 34oC
    Current CPU Temperature 36oC
    Current CPU FAN Speed 894 RPM
    Current SYSTEM FAN Speed 892 RPM
    Current SYSTEM FAN2 Speed 0 RPM
    Current POWER FAN Speed 0 RPM
    CPU Warning Temperature [70 c]
    CPU FAN Fail Warning [Enab]
    SYSTEM FAN Fail Warning [Enab]
    CPU Smart FAN Control [Disab]
    CPU Smart FAN Mode [Auto]
    System Smart FAN Control [Enabled]</pre>
    Sure hope this sheds some light on the situation!

    Kris :)
    <<< System Summary >>>
    > Power Supply: Arctic 700
    > Mainboard : Gigabyte GA-MA78G-DS3H (Rev 1.0)
    > Chipset : AMD RS70 Host Bridge
    > Processor : AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 5400+
    > HeatSink and Fan (HSF): Akasa EVO Blue
    > Physical Memory: Corsair 4GB Kit (2x2GB) DDR2 800MHz/PC2-6400 XMS2 Memory Kit CL5 1.9V
    > Video Card : ATI Radeon 4670 (Sapphire) + Accelero L2 Pro
    > Sound Card : Creative E-MU 0404 (PCI)
    > DVD-Rom Drive : LG
    > Monitor Type : 2x Sharp LL172-AB (VGA)
    > Operating System : Vista Home Premium (x64)

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    Default Re: Reset Problems - (AMD) GA-MA78G-DS3H

    The PC health looks good.
    This is'nt the issue but should be lowerd to 60C will allow you to know if the cpu gets that hot. If the alarm goes off then you could turn it up a little and may want to get better CPU cooling.
    CPU Warning Temperature [70 c] try 60C


    Now let us look at some more settings please.
    Use these templates. This time when you first go into BIOS press and hold the CTRL and Then press the F1 like at the same time look carefully the screen should flicker once. Now you will see some added features.
    You will need to do this anytime you want to make changes.
    Code:
    Advanced BIOS Features
    UMA Frame Buffer Size [Auto]
    Init Display First [PEG]
    Surround View [Disabled]
    Virtualization [Disabled]
    Patch AMD TLB Erratum (Note) [Enabled]
    AMD K8 Cool&Quiet control [Auto]
    �� Hard Disk Boot Priority [Press Enter]
    First Boot Device [Floppy]
    Second Boot Device [Hard Disk]
    Third Boot Device [CDROM]
    Password Check [Setup]
    HDD S.M.A.R.T. Capability [Disabled]
    Away Mode [Disabled]
    Full Screen LOGO Show [Enabled
    Code:
    Integrated Peripherals
    OnChip IDE Channel [Enabled]
    OnChip SATA Controller [Enabled]
    OnChip SATA Type [Native IDE]
    x OnChip SATA Port4/5 Type [IDE]
    Onboard Audio Function [Enabled]
    OnChip USB Controller [Enabled]
    USB EHCI Controller [Enabled]
    USB Keyboard Support [Disabled]
    USB Mouse Support [Disabled]
    Legacy USB storage detect [Enabled]
    Onboard 1394 Function [Enabled]
    Onboard LAN Function [Enabled]
    �� SMART LAN [Press Enter]
    Onboard LAN Boot ROM [Disabled]
    Onboard Serial Port 1 [3F8/IRQ4]
    Onboard Parallel Port [378/IRQ7]
    Parallel Port Mode [SPP]
    Some more numbers PLEASE

    Code:
    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    HT Link Frequency [Auto]
    VGA Core Clock control [Disabled]
    x VGA Core Clock (Mhz) 500
    CPU Clock Ratio [Auto]
    Memory Controller Freq. (Note) [Auto] 1800Mhz
    CPU Host Clock Control [Auto]
    x CPU Frequency (MHz) 200
    PCIE Clock (MHz) [Auto]
    Set Memory Clock [Auto]
    x Memory Clock DDR 533
    DCTs Mode (Note) [Unganged]
    ******** System Voltage Optimized ********
    System Voltage Control [Auto]
    x DDR2 Voltage Control Normal
    x NorthBridge Volt Control Normal
    x SouthBridge Volt Control Normal
    x CPU NB VID Control (Note) Normal
    x CPU Voltage Control Normal
    Normal CPU Vcore 1.1000V
    Well now this is where I would put a template of your Dram timings but I can't find one. Could you make one. It will be in the DRAM configuration. You will need to set the timmings from auto to manual. Then right it all down and post it here. It will look simular to this. Please make the neccesary changes to the template. Thanks
    Code:
    DRAM Configuration
    DDRII Timing Items [Auto] SPD Auto
    x CAS# latency Auto 5T 5T
    x RAS to CAS R/W Delay Auto 5T 5T
    x Row Precharge Time Auto 5T 5T
    x Minimum RAS Active Time Auto 15T 15T
    x 1T/2T Command Timing Auto -- --
    x TwTr Command Delay Auto 3T 3T
    x Trfc0 for DIMM1 Auto 127ns 127ns
    x Trfc2 for DIMM2 Auto -- --
    x Trfc1 for DIMM3 Auto -- --
    x Trfc3 for DIMM4 Auto -- --
    x Write Recovery Time Auto 5T 5T
    x Precharge Time Auto 3T 3T
    x Row Cycle Time Auto 21T 21T
    x RAS to RAS Delay Auto 3T 3T
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    Default Re: Reset Problems - (AMD) GA-MA78G-DS3H

    Thanks for the quick reply Art - My results are as follows:

    Second Boot Device [Hard Disk]
    Third Boot Device [CDROM]
    Password Check [Setup]
    HDD S.M.A.R.T. Capability [Enabled]
    Away Mode [Disabled]
    Delay For H.D.D [0 Sec]
    Full Screen LOGO Show [Enabled]

    Integrated Peripherals
    OnChip IDE Channel [Enabled]
    OnChip SATA Controller [Enabled]
    OnChip SATA Type [Native IDE]
    x OnChip SATA Port4/5 Type [IDE]
    Onboard Audio Function [Enabled]
    OnChip USB Controller [Enabled]
    USB EHCI Controller [Enabled]
    USB Keyboard Support [Enabled]
    USB Mouse Support [Enabled]
    Legacy USB storage detect [Enabled]
    Onboard 1394 Function [Disabled]
    Onboard LAN Function [Enabled]
    �� SMART LAN [Press Enter]
    Onboard LAN Boot ROM [Disabled]
    Onboard Serial Port 1 [3F8/IRQ4]
    Onboard Parallel Port [378/IRQ7]
    Parallel Port Mode [SPP]

    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    HT Link Frequency [Auto]
    VGA Core Clock control [Disabled]
    x VGA Core Clock (Mhz) 500
    CPU Clock Ratio [Auto]
    Memory Controller Freq. (Note) [Auto] 1800Mhz
    CPU Host Clock Control [Auto]
    x CPU Frequency (MHz) 200
    PCIE Clock (MHz) [Auto]
    Set Memory Clock [Auto]
    x Memory Clock DDR 800
    DCTs Mode (Note) [Unganged] ***NOT HERE***
    ******** System Voltage Optimized ********
    System Voltage Control [Auto]
    x DDR2 Voltage Control Auto
    x NorthBridge Volt Control Auto
    x SouthBridge Volt Control Auto
    x CPU NB VID Control (Note) Auto
    x CPU Voltage Control Auto
    Normal CPU Vcore 1.3250v

    DRAM Configuration
    DDRII Timing Items [Auto] SPD Auto
    x CAS# latency Auto 5T 5T
    x RAS to CAS R/W Delay Auto 5T 5T
    x Row Precharge Time Auto 5T 5T
    x Minimum RAS Active Time Auto 18T 18T
    x 1T/2T Command Timing Auto -- --
    x TwTr Command Delay Auto 3T 3T
    x Trfc0 for DIMM1 Auto 105ns 105ns
    x Trfc2 for DIMM2 Auto 105ns 105ns
    x Trfc1 for DIMM3 Auto -- --
    x Trfc3 for DIMM4 Auto -- --
    x Write Recovery Time Auto 6T 6T
    x Precharge Time Auto 3T 3T
    x Row Cycle Time Auto 23T 23T
    x RAS to RAS Delay Auto 3T 3T
    DQS Training Control [Skip DQS]
    CKE Power Down Mode [Disabled]
    Memclock Tristating [Disabled]
    Bank Swizzle Mode [Enabled]

    anything there looking suspicious? I've lowered the cpu max temp warning too

    Thanks

    Kris
    <<< System Summary >>>
    > Power Supply: Arctic 700
    > Mainboard : Gigabyte GA-MA78G-DS3H (Rev 1.0)
    > Chipset : AMD RS70 Host Bridge
    > Processor : AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 5400+
    > HeatSink and Fan (HSF): Akasa EVO Blue
    > Physical Memory: Corsair 4GB Kit (2x2GB) DDR2 800MHz/PC2-6400 XMS2 Memory Kit CL5 1.9V
    > Video Card : ATI Radeon 4670 (Sapphire) + Accelero L2 Pro
    > Sound Card : Creative E-MU 0404 (PCI)
    > DVD-Rom Drive : LG
    > Monitor Type : 2x Sharp LL172-AB (VGA)
    > Operating System : Vista Home Premium (x64)

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    Default Re: Reset Problems - (AMD) GA-MA78G-DS3H

    Yes Lets set your Memory We need to add a little voltage which adds a little heat to your system. My best guess is about 4 or 5C under load for +0.2v to memory A little won't hurt a thing. Because memory is already at 1.95V this should raise it to a little over 2.0v
    System Voltage Control [Manual]
    x DDR2 Voltage Control Manual +0.2
    x NorthBridge Volt Control Manual +0.2 Later if stability was not reached.
    DDRII Timing Items [Auto] SPD Auto Change to manual
    x Trfc0 for DIMM1 Auto 105ns 105ns 127ns for stability
    x Trfc2 for DIMM2 Auto 105ns 105ns 127ns for stability
    Then go to 195ns on both if Stability was'nt reached
    Now when you make your settings save and reboot Please go back into bios to be sure the changes are saved.
    This first change should be enough each time your adding stability
    Last edited by artdrivers; 08-27-2009 at 03:09 AM.
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    Default Re: Reset Problems - (AMD) GA-MA78G-DS3H

    Hi Art

    Thanks again for your help. I've applied the changes you advised in the BIOS.

    I guess it's now a game of wait and see!

    Would you be able to shed any light on what I'm actually doing there, apart from increasing the overall power/stability at the slots? is the ns change to do with access rate?

    thanks, I'm gonna get to bed now (late here in the UK) but i'll make an attempt to start re-installing some of my musical software/instruments tomorrow and see if the reset relic rears it's ugly head.



    Kris
    <<< System Summary >>>
    > Power Supply: Arctic 700
    > Mainboard : Gigabyte GA-MA78G-DS3H (Rev 1.0)
    > Chipset : AMD RS70 Host Bridge
    > Processor : AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 5400+
    > HeatSink and Fan (HSF): Akasa EVO Blue
    > Physical Memory: Corsair 4GB Kit (2x2GB) DDR2 800MHz/PC2-6400 XMS2 Memory Kit CL5 1.9V
    > Video Card : ATI Radeon 4670 (Sapphire) + Accelero L2 Pro
    > Sound Card : Creative E-MU 0404 (PCI)
    > DVD-Rom Drive : LG
    > Monitor Type : 2x Sharp LL172-AB (VGA)
    > Operating System : Vista Home Premium (x64)

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    Default Re: Reset Problems - (AMD) GA-MA78G-DS3H

    You have to rely on the chipset of the motherboard to supply the FSB termination voltage and Northbridge voltage for the large amount of DDRII you currently are using. If it isn't getting enough volts for the 4GB of DDRII@800Mhz, you will see errors.
    What you are doing is fine tuning the memory for timing and voltages. Different memory needs to be set differently. The numbers I give you may need to be raised or lowerd slightly.
    The auto settings for voltages and timings are for a quick preset. Which usually works on 1GB a slot, and when you set everything on optimal defaults. Auto or presets do not allways work when you increase the amount of ram per slot to 2GB per slot, and 4GB is alot of DDRII
    Last edited by artdrivers; 09-06-2009 at 07:09 PM.
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    4GB / Kingston / KHX8500D2K2/2GN / 5-5-5-18 / 1066Mhz
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    (1) WD Caviar / WD2500AAKS/ 250GB in SATA AHCI
    (2) IDE's 1 8XdualDVDRW 1 52x32x52x CDRW
    Antec /Neo HE550 / 550W
    Mid size ATX case with show through panel
    2) 80x80 front fans (1) 120x120 rear fan and small nb fan
    Microsoft comfort curve USB keyboard 2000 ver.1.0
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    Monitor: CMV937A
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    Default Re: Reset Problems - (AMD) GA-MA78G-DS3H

    Well, it reset@ 127ns after 3 hours, so I'm going for the 192 now....
    I also bumped up the NB another 0.2 - necessary?

    Will keep you informed of my results
    <<< System Summary >>>
    > Power Supply: Arctic 700
    > Mainboard : Gigabyte GA-MA78G-DS3H (Rev 1.0)
    > Chipset : AMD RS70 Host Bridge
    > Processor : AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 5400+
    > HeatSink and Fan (HSF): Akasa EVO Blue
    > Physical Memory: Corsair 4GB Kit (2x2GB) DDR2 800MHz/PC2-6400 XMS2 Memory Kit CL5 1.9V
    > Video Card : ATI Radeon 4670 (Sapphire) + Accelero L2 Pro
    > Sound Card : Creative E-MU 0404 (PCI)
    > DVD-Rom Drive : LG
    > Monitor Type : 2x Sharp LL172-AB (VGA)
    > Operating System : Vista Home Premium (x64)

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