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    Default AMD Phenom II X2 550 Black + GA-MA78GMS2H ?

    (I searched first and saw the 550 thread, but I think this is more about the mobo's constraints than the CPU. Sorry if I've posted incorrectly. Mr. Mod, kindly move this if so.)

    Compatibility?
    1. Would these work together?
    2. If so, would the Phenom be unlockable to x4?

    RAM = 8GB G.Skill DDR2-1000
    GA-MA78GMS2H ver 1.1 (f10)
    AMD Phenom 11 x2 550 Black Edition~ HDZ550WFGIBOX

    If I do this, it is to replace my Athlon 64 x2 5600+. It would be especially nice if this mobo would allow the 550 to be used as x4.

    Thanks.
    Last edited by Groonx2; 08-25-2009 at 09:51 PM.
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    Default Re: AMD Phenom II X2 550 Black + GA-MA78GMS2H ?

    Thanks, Lsdmeasap. And now I am going to ask you an impossible question, but I know it is impossible—so please make your best guess! (I won't hold it against you later on!)

    Since I flashed my BIOS from f8 to f10 and back again—several times—I am back to the very long times (4 minutes up to 20 minutes) that have plagued my system since I built it in November.

    Today I am testing it with one stick of RAM (2GB), NO drives at all, NOTHING plugged into my modular PSU unit. No USBs. In other words:
    mobo + heatsink
    1 stick of RAM
    video card
    (So of course it can't boot up into Windows: nothing there.)

    And it makes no difference. The reluctance to start and get to the POST is exactly the same.

    I'm in touch with Gigabyte about an RMA, but I'm worried about getting an identical replacement mobo.

    Okay, if you were doing this, and you basically had no money (because $100 is a lot for me, but I can just manage it) and you had an otherwise very nice computer, would you think gambling on the Phenom CPU would so change your Scrabble chips that you would have a good chance of winning the game?

    The G.Skill RAM tech told me my CPU was holding me back.

    I SAID it was an impossible question! Well, most questions in Life ARE impossible—but I would value your best guess.

    Thanks very much.
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    Default Re: AMD Phenom II X2 550 Black + GA-MA78GMS2H ?

    Very long times (4 minutes to 20)? Sorry, what do you mean by that?

    Why are you worried about RMA, is your board EOL or are they telling you they don't have any?

    Sorry as you know I am clueless about AMD for the most part. How old is your current CPU, I mean when was that model released? Ya, maybe a new CPU could help if your current one is very old but it may also have no effect.

    What is the issue anyway, sorry I help so many users I am always lost :)

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    Default Re: AMD Phenom II X2 550 Black + GA-MA78GMS2H ?

    Compatibility?
    1. Would these work together?
    I know that the motherboard GA-MA78GM-S2H rev.1.1 will indeed support the AMD Phenom II X2 550 Black + with F8 Bios.
    2. If so, would the Phenom be unlockable to x4?
    You need a Motherboard with the ACC feature on the Southbridge Chipset which as of now their are only 2 different ones. (AMD SB710 & AMD SB750)
    The south bridge on the board in question (GA-MA78GM-S2H rev.1.1) has a AMD SB700. It does not offer ACC which is what you would need to unlock the locked cores.
    Also on the AMD Phenom II x2 550 has to be from certain batches. The second or middle line has the info you seek,
    If you google (0922apmw) you will see which batches will fail and which batches will succeed I hope this helps. http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=227004
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    Default Re: AMD Phenom II X2 550 Black + GA-MA78GMS2H ?

    @Artdrivers, that is a beautifully-done chart showing the results, isn't it? Wow! Thanks for the URL.

    Well, the Phenom appears to be an expensive dark horse. It would be superb IF it did the job for me.

    I think there is a good chance that it would. However, people have questioned most of my $100-range components:
    PSU
    mobo
    RAM
    CPU
    and maybe all of them are working fine, but not in combination. I can RMA the motherboard—and I might—but it is just one of these 4 possibilities. Or am I not seeing something here?

    After I flashed the BIOS from f8 to f10 and then back to f8 again, I wasn't able to simply re-establish my former settings and regain my startup speeds. No way!

    So yesterday I went through 23 startup tests, every time faking a cold start by keeping the case power switch in for 90 seconds (between every test). Supposedly the capicitors were thus released of memory.

    With absolutely no drives—no opticals and no hard drives, no peripherals, no USBs—just an empty system, I varied my RAM between one stick, 2, and 4 sticks. The averaged speeds to POST were about 40 seconds (certainly slow) and the number of RAM sticks made no real difference. However, the POST beeps themselves were "perfect" beep sounds; not distorted.

    They did distort again (p-beep or bp-d-Beep) as soon as I inserted any one drive. It seemed to make no difference which drive it was. With any cable connected to the modular PSU, I'd hear a distorted d-beep on POST.

    I loaded my entire system back on. This morning I was not surprised when it took 23 minutes and 20 seconds to go from Power On to POST beep. (And the beep was distorted, of course.) Windows itself was running in exactly 27:00 minutes, with all its hourglasses completed. Running just fine, as it always does.

    Plus, one device—an unimportant Lite-On CD-Writer, which I often don't connect up—makes a peculiar "groan" sound every 5 to 6 seconds during startup. I am guessing that sound is made whenever that device "tries" to start. That would be 233 times in such a long pre-POST time. And presumably all the other hard drives are likewise trying 233 times each. Is that good for the hardware?

    So much for my first-ever build. It's been like this since I built it in November.
    AMD Athlon 64 x2 5600+
    Gigabyte AM2+ GA-MA78GM-S2H ver 1.1. BIOS (newest) F11
    NB: AMD780G. SB: AMD SB700
    RAM 8GB (2 kits @ 4GB each) G.Skill DDR2-1000 (F2-8000CL5D-4GBPQ PC2-8000 x2 CL5-5-5-15) running as DDR2-800
    Case Antec P150
    PSU Corsair HX520W. (PSU calc by Corsair + NCIX; tested by TT Dr Power.)
    Cooling Xigmatek HDT-S1283 heatsink (Arctic Silver 5); 6 fans
    HDDs usable 1.7 TB (4 Seagates—3x 500GB SATA ST3500320AS w/SD1A + 1x 320GB PATA ST3320620A)
    Floppy
    Opticals (3): Pioneer SATA DVR-212D; LiteOn/Sony PATA CRX230AE; external USB Samsung SE-S204S DVD Writer
    Video ATI Radeon HD4670
    Monitor 22" LG W2242TQ w/Belkin DVI-D
    Sound Altec Lansing 5.1
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    System built Nov 2008




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    Default Re: AMD Phenom II X2 550 Black + GA-MA78GMS2H ?

    Yes I agree you have quality name brands in your build. Their still is always a possibility of a bad apple somewhere. The only true course of action is to test each of them. The diagnostic nightmare. If you had some replacement parts at your disposal you could run tests eliminate possibilities. I have 3 computers at my disposal so if I need to test I can. I thought of something I "red" a while back. Have you tried running your internal fans without your board? Just connect them directly into a four pin molex adapter? Well with a jumper. Also have you researched the P.O.S.T. beep codes as in p-beep meaning 1 short and 1 long or the other way around 1 long and 1 short or 2 short beeps?

    AWARD BIOS Beep Sound Message
    1 short (Beep) System booting is normally.
    2 short (Beep) CMOS setting error
    1 long - 1 short (Beep) DRAM ERROR
    1 long - 2 short (Beep) Display card or monitor connected error
    1 long - 3 short (Beep) Keyboard Error
    1 long - 9 short (Beep) ROM Error
    Long (Beep) continuous DRAM hasn't inset correctly.
    Short (Beep) continuous POWER supply has problem
    Last edited by artdrivers; 08-27-2009 at 09:12 AM.
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    http://www.gigabyte-usa.com/FileList...ios_qflash.pdf
    Phenom II 945 @ 3.2Ghz w/Thermaltake Big Typhoon Pro 14 CPU Cooler
    Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H rev.1.1 F11
    Sapphire 3870HD / 100225L / 512MB / ddr4
    4GB / Kingston / KHX8500D2K2/2GN / 5-5-5-18 / 1066Mhz
    (2) WD Caviar / WD2500AAKS/ 250GB in SATA RAID-0
    (1) WD Caviar / WD2500AAKS/ 250GB in SATA AHCI
    (2) IDE's 1 8XdualDVDRW 1 52x32x52x CDRW
    Antec /Neo HE550 / 550W
    Mid size ATX case with show through panel
    2) 80x80 front fans (1) 120x120 rear fan and small nb fan
    Microsoft comfort curve USB keyboard 2000 ver.1.0
    Logitech G500 USB mouse
    Monitor: CMV937A
    7.1+2 Channel High Definition ALC889A
    Dual boot Windows 7 32bit home & Windows 7 64bit home


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