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    Default GA-EP45-UD3L Bios and RAM questions for new build

    It's time for me to build a new system to replace my ancient 866 Mhz Pentium III. My computing needs are extremely modest, so my two top priorities are reliability and stability. I've built and worked on a lot of older systems, but I'm not up on the latest hardware, so I have a couple of questions:

    Q1: I'm planning to buy a GA-EP45-UD3L and install a Pentium Dual-Core E6300 (FSB 1066). However, the GigaByte compatibility chart shows that this CPU is supported only for bios F5c or higher. If NewEgg sends me an older board that has an older bios installed, will I still be able to post so I can upgrade the bios?

    Q2: I'm leaning towards installing 2MB of DDR2-800 (PC-6400) RAM. I know the board supports faster RAM, but I don't plan to do any overclocking and I believe that the dual-channel PC-6400 already provides considerable overkill in terms of bandwidth. (Please correct me if I'm wrong about this.) I will probably run it at 1.8v with the stock timings, as I want this system to run cool, quiet and reliable. Anyway, I need to choose my RAM and I've currently narrowed it down to these two choices at NewEgg:

    Kingston ValueRAM 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model KVR800D2N5K2/2G (CAS 5)

    Mushkin 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model 996527 (5-5-5-12)

    What do you guys think? Thanks!

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    Default Re: GA-EP45-UD3L Bios and RAM questions for new build

    You may be able to, but maybe not. Sometimes they will post and just not be picked up correctly until you flash, other times you will have to get a different CPU to flash with. So do you have any buddies who would be able to help you out with a newer CPU just in case?

    If you are only going to use a 32bit system, then yes 2x1GB would be fine unless you are planning to game or other heavy use. If that is the case I would recommend a x64 system and 4GB

    You do not have to use 1.8V, just so you know. Most any DDR2 will post at 1.8V, then you can adjust to ram spec.

    I recommend Mushkin for sure from your list, and have used that exact model so you would be fine with it.

    So these would be better actually and are the same price >>
    Newegg.com - mushkin 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model 996684 - Desktop Memory

    Those would do 444-12 @800 as well if you did not want to run them at 1066

    Or one of these models, again I have used both without issue
    Newegg.com - mushkin 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) with EPP Profile Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model 996533 - Desktop Memory
    Newegg.com - mushkin 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model 996603 - Desktop Memory

    I recommend one of those three choices though as they are from the better range of models that Mushkin offers. The ones you mentioned are the Budget range, and since they are all priced nicely within the same range today I would get a set of the XP (Black) or HP (Blue)

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    Default Re: GA-EP45-UD3L Bios and RAM questions for new build

    Thanks very much! That's exactly the kind of advice I needed. I don't have access to an alternative CPU, so I'll try asking NewEgg to send me a board with a relatively recent bios.

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    Default Re: GA-EP45-UD3L Bios and RAM questions for new build

    Lsdme isn't always right, but he's never wrong.
    The F5c bios is a beta version, so it will NOT come with your new mobo.
    If your new mobo won't post with your e6300 (R0) cpu, can you borrow an spare cpu from a friend so that you can upgrade the bios to F5c and then install your new cpu?

    My Mushkin memory is excellent. I'm using 2x2GB even though I'm running with a 32-bit operating system. While my system can't "use" all 4GB, there is a performance improvement because my swap file usage is virtually zero, which allows the system to run a bit faster.

    With the current Newegg rebates, you can buy a 2x2GB set of Mushkin memory for $60 or less. DDR2 memory prices will increase over time as DDR3 becomes the mainstream memory standard. Spending a bit more now will make a future upgrade to a 64-bit operating system less expensive, as you won't need to find identical matching memory to upgrade to 4GB of total memory.

    I recommend Mushkin 2x2GB 4-4-4-12 PC2-6400 or Mushkin 2x2GB 5-5-5-15 PC2-8500 memory.

    Follow the bios flashing procedures found in Lsdme's excellent BIOS Flashing - A "How To ~ Qflash Guide".

    Don't cut corners by using an cheap psu. You wan't to buy a high quality, 80+ psu. The psu is the foundation of your system.
    You'll want to buy a good aftermarket cpu cooler and fan setup to keep your system cool and quiet.
    Your computer case should offer excellent ventilation and cooling capacity.

    Good luck with your new build.
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    Default Re: GA-EP45-UD3L Bios and RAM questions for new build

    Let us know how you get along with things.

    Newegg wont be able to tell what BIOS is in the board, so even if they tell you they will (Which I doubt they would even say) don't make any decisions based on that.

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    Default Re: GA-EP45-UD3L Bios and RAM questions for new build

    I've decided to take a chance on the CPU. I found a comment by a NewEgg customer who recently installed an E6300 on his GA-EP45-UD3L, and he didn't mention having to flash the bios in order to get it to work. He did mention that the CPU multiplier wasn't autodetected correctly, but he was able to fix it. However, I couldn't tell from his post whether or not he was already running the latest beta bios, so that's where the uncertainty comes in.

    My order should be here in a few days, and I'll let you guys know how it turns out. Thanks again for your help.
    Last edited by Dann; 09-01-2009 at 02:36 AM. Reason: typo

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    Default Re: GA-EP45-UD3L Bios and RAM questions for new build

    I've read similar posts in the Newegg customer reviews.
    If your cpu and mobo boot with the existing bios, you'll need to immediately flash the bios using the F5c beta bios, unless an F5 Final bios (or a newer F5x beta bios) is available by the time you've assembled your system. Don't tempt the cpu/mobo gods by trying to run your cpu at default speeds using the supplied bios.

    When you initially see the Gigabyte boot screen, immediately press the DELETE key and you should see the existing bios version in the upper left portion of the screen, just before you enter the bios. To minimize potential memory issues while performing your bios flash, boot with only one memory module in slot #1.

    If there's a power outage while you're flashing your bios, you'll probably end up with a "bricked" motherboard. If you're using a UPS setup, the chances of bricking your mobo are virtually nil.

    Be sure to follow Lsdme's Bios Flashing Guide procedures from the link in post #4.

    Good luck with your new build. Let us know how things turn out.
    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
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    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
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    HT|Omega Striker 7.1 sound card ~~ Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080] ~~ Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
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    Default Re: GA-EP45-UD3L Bios and RAM questions for new build

    Success! The system was able to post just fine with the Pentium Dual-Core E6300, even though it isn't officially supported by the F4 bios that came with the board. The only discrepancy I noticed was that the CPU clock ratio was set to 8, so I guess it was running a little underclocked.

    The latest bios that Gigabyte offers for this board is version F5c, even though there is a version F6b listed in the Bios thread at the top of this page. I chose to go with F5c under the assumption that Gigabyte must have withdrawn version F6b for some reason. If anyone has any information about this I'd like to hear it.

    Anyway, after I flashed with Qflash and loaded the Optimized Defaults the CPU clock ratio became 10, which I believe is correct for this CPU. I'm not familiar enough with all of the timing and voltage settings to do any actual tweaking, although I did disable a few obvious things such as parallel and serial ports, etc. I'll just run it at the defaults for awhile until I learn more about this stuff.

    Next begins the task of installing the OS, the drivers and all of my applications. Thanks again for all of the good advice that I received on this forum. I'll be following the forums for awhile so I can learn some of the finer points of tuning from you guys. Aloha!

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    Default Re: GA-EP45-UD3L Bios and RAM questions for new build

    Glad to hear that everything worked out well.

    You can download the F7 bios for your mobo here (2009/08/31).
    Be sure to add your hardware list to your forum signature.
    This post has recommendations for initial bios settings for a new mobo or if you're using stock settings.
    Check your mobo user's manual to see how you can save multiple bios profiles.
    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
    Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
    Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot) ~~ WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ ZM-MFC2 fan controller
    HT|Omega Striker 7.1 sound card ~~ Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080] ~~ Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium ~~ CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD U.P.S
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    Default Re: GA-EP45-UD3L Bios and RAM questions for new build

    That F7 bios wasn't there yesterday. Those rascals! They waited until after I built my system to add it to their list. I guess I'll flash it again.

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