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    Default GA-EX58-UD4P + Win 7RC = BSOD

    Hi,

    This is my first post after visiting this forum for a couple of days now. It seems like everyone is very helpfull, and frankly, I could use some help with a new build.

    I built a system using the components in the sig file below and all went ok except when I installed win 7RC I received a BSOD and a restart. Finished the install and all seemed well until I ran Prime95 for a few minutes and received another BSOD.

    I suspected the corsair domininator 1600 cl8 memory because, when I enabled the XMP so they would run at 1600, I received a msg. in red warning about higher settings will reduce life span when saving the bios settings.

    I went back into bios and disabled XMP and it said the memory was only running at 1066 vs. 1600. I then booted to windows and ran Prime95 torture test for 3 hours with any errors.

    I have six 2GB sticks of this stuff and would like to get it to run at it's rated 1600 8-8-8-24 but do not have a clue as to why the XMP causes the BSOD. I would prefer Not to use XMP but also have no clue how to make those setting changes in the bios. A link to that memory is: http://www.corsair.com/_datasheets/TR3X6G1600C8D.pdf
    My goal is to have an extremely stable system but I would like to use this memory at 1600. It would be nice to even up the CPU freq. to 3.2 Ghz but that is way beyond my ability right now. I have read through some of the OC docs on this site and the Gigabyte .pdf but still trying to get my head around it.

    Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

    Best regards,
    Rick
    Last edited by rtucker55; 08-29-2009 at 07:28 AM. Reason: corrected link to memory
    GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD4P (F10d)
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    CORSAIR XMS3 12GB DDR3 1600
    NOCTUA NH-U12P SE1366
    WD WD6401AALS HD x 3
    Sony Optiarc DVD/CD
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    Default Re: GA-EX58-UD4P + Win 7RC = BSOD

    XMP likely was setting the wrong amount of QPI/Vtt per your CPU, they are all different so I really dont agree with this setting being part of XMP and advise against using it actually.

    I do advise you use BIOS F9c or F10a. You can get both here >>
    http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/giga...st-bios-28441/

    Qflash guide is here, I suggest you use this to update. Please read if you are unsure about anything to do with flashing or loading optimized as I posted tips and warnings as well >>
    http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/bios...h-guide-27576/

    I can give you 3.2 settings too if you like, let me know.

    For now, here is some advised stock settings per your hardware (With a overclock in mind, so Intel Speedstep is disabled (C1E +ESIT))


    0X00000050 << Incorrect Memory Timing/Freq or Uncore Multi
    0X00000124 << Incorrect QPI/Vtt Voltage (To Much/Not Enough)
    0X00000101 << Not enough Vcore Voltage

    Code:
    Advanced CPU Features:
    CPU Clock Ratio ................................ [20x]
    Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech .................. [Enabled]
    CPU Cores Enabled ............................ [All]
    CPU Multi Threading .......................... [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ................... [Disabled]
    C3/C6/C7 State Support .................... [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor ......................... [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function ............................ [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology ................... [Enabled] << Disabled if you do not use Vmware or Virtual PC Programs
    Bi-Directional PROCHOT ..................... [Enabled]
    
    
    Uncore & QPI Features:
    QPI Link Speed .............................. x36 or x44 (Keep under 8GT/s)
    Uncore Frequency ..........................  24-26 (Always 2x memory Multi or 2x +1, 2x +2, ect) 
    Isonchronous Frequency ..................[Enabled]
    
    
    Standard Clock Control:
    Base Clock (BCLK) Control ................ [Enabled]
    BCLK Frequency (MHz) ..................... 133
    PCI Express Frequency (MHz) ........... [100]
    
    C.I.A.2 [Disabled]
    
    Advanced Clock Control:
    CPU Clock Drive ..............................[800mV]
    PCI Express Clock Drive ................... [900mV]
    CPU Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
    IOH Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
    
    
    Advanced DRAM Features:
    Performance Enhance ...................... [Standard]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P) ......... [Disabled]
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD) ........ [12x] = 1600Mhz
    DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) .......... [Manual]
    
    Channel A + B + C
    
    Channel A Timing Settings:
    ##Channel A Standard Timing Control##
    CAS Latency Time ......................8
    tRCD .......................................8
    tRP .........................................8
    tRAS .......................................24
    
    Below values may be left in Auto if you like, generally this is fine.  For those users who DO Set advanced timings manually, please see some of my thoughts and findings about these settings and rules here
    XtremeSystems Forums - View Single Post - Gigabyte EX58-UD5/Extreme Discussion Thread
    
    
    ##Channel A Advanced Timing Control##
    tRC ........................................  (Should be = tRAS + tRP or above for stability)
    tRRD .......................................
    tWTR ...................................... (Must be Write to Read Delay/Same Rank - (tWL + 4)
    tWR ........................................ 5-12 (Odd # values likely will fail)
    tWTP .......................................    (tWTP Must = tWR + tWL + 4)
    tWL ........................................   (tWL Must be CAS Latency -1)
    tRFC .......................................
    tRTP .......................................
    tFAW ......................................
    Command Rate (CMD) ................ 1
    
    ##Channel A Misc Timing Control##
    Round Trip Latency ...................
    
    
    
    Advanced Voltage Control:
    
    CPU
    Load Line Calibration ................. [Disabled]
    CPU Vcore ............................... Auto
    QPI/VTT Voltage 1.150v ............ Set 1.28-1.45 (This is KEY in finding stability)
    CPU PLL 1.800v ....................... Auto is fine
    
    MCH/ICH
    PCIE 1.500v ........................... 1.5
    QPI PLL 1.100v ....................... 1.14-1.26
    IOH Core 1.100v ..................... 1.16-1.24
    ICH I/O 1.500v ....................... 1.5
    ICH Core 1.1v ........................ 1.14-1.2
    
    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage 1.500v .............. 1.66
    DRAM Termination 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-A Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-B Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-C Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-A Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-B Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-C Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]

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    Default Re: GA-EX58-UD4P + Win 7RC = BSOD

    Hi Lsdmeasap,

    Thank you for your reply.

    I have been experimenting since my OP and after three clean installs of win7RC and many settings I still could not get anything to work.

    This morning I loaded optimized settings and then enabled the XMP profile1 and did a fresh install of winXP64, it installed and has ran without a hitch.

    I really would like to continue using XP64 as I noticed the DPC latency is much lower and this machine is for a dedicated digital audio/midi workstation.

    I would like to get the CPU freq. up to 3.4 as this will be beneficial to the type of work I require so I would like to continue with the o/c process.

    Just a Few questions:
    Can you give me the settings to get me to 3.4 using the XP64 o/s?
    Would I still be able to get 1600 out of the memory or will it be less?
    Is F10a beta and If I flash to it, would I be able to go back to F8?
    (sounds like there are issues with F9x)
    Since my CPU is the D0 type will this matter.
    Once I get the o/c system running which apps would you suggest I use to qualify the stability of the system before loading my production applications?

    Again, I really appreciate your help.

    Best regards,
    Rick
    GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD4P (F10d)
    CORE I7 920 2.66G AD0
    CORSAIR XMS3 12GB DDR3 1600
    NOCTUA NH-U12P SE1366
    WD WD6401AALS HD x 3
    Sony Optiarc DVD/CD
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    Default Re: GA-EX58-UD4P + Win 7RC = BSOD

    your choise of OS is not going to have much to do with you being stable at an OC, other than drivers your hardware can either handle the OC or not that you set. The first thing I would do is manually setup up your ram times and clock multiplier and voltage to the specs. Using XMP profiles of RAM can result in the bios/mb overvolting qpi/vtt and such so set it manually as well as the other key voltage should be set manually and not left on auto. The next thing I would do is burn memtest+ found in the tools thread of this forum to a disk and throughly test the RAM for several passes and make sure it has no errors at the manual settings set.
    Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD4P F10d
    Intel i7 920 D0 3.8Ghz 181x21 1.24375Vcore 1.195QPI/Vtt
    Noctua NH-U12P SE1366 push-pull, vertically mounted
    3x2GB G.Skill DD3 1600 F3-12800CL9T-6GBNQ 8-8-8-21-1T 1.54v
    2x EVGA GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 SLI 700-1500-1200
    CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX 850W PSU
    2x WD Caviar Black 640GB in Raid 0, 64KB stripes, 250GB short stroke
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    Default Re: GA-EX58-UD4P + Win 7RC = BSOD

    Quote Originally Posted by rtucker55 View Post
    Hi Lsdmeasap,

    Thank you for your reply.

    I have been experimenting since my OP and after three clean installs of win7RC and many settings I still could not get anything to work.

    This morning I loaded optimized settings and then enabled the XMP profile1 and did a fresh install of winXP64, it installed and has ran without a hitch.

    I really would like to continue using XP64 as I noticed the DPC latency is much lower and this machine is for a dedicated digital audio/midi workstation.

    I would like to get the CPU freq. up to 3.4 as this will be beneficial to the type of work I require so I would like to continue with the o/c process.

    Just a Few questions:
    Can you give me the settings to get me to 3.4 using the XP64 o/s?
    Would I still be able to get 1600 out of the memory or will it be less?
    Is F10a beta and If I flash to it, would I be able to go back to F8?
    (sounds like there are issues with F9x)
    Since my CPU is the D0 type will this matter.
    Once I get the o/c system running which apps would you suggest I use to qualify the stability of the system before loading my production applications?

    Again, I really appreciate your help.

    Best regards,
    Rick

    Nice to hear you are making some progress

    Ya I can give you 3.4 setting ranges to work with, see below.

    Yes you will still be able to run 1600Mhz Memory, but I advise against XMP use

    Yes F10a is a beta, and yes you could go back to F8 but I advise you keep on F10a or F9c actually as they are both MUCH Better than F8

    No D0 CPU wont matter, but not really sure what you are asking that aout in particular

    I use Memtest86+, HCI Design Memtest, and LinX for stability testing myself, but those and plenty of others can be found here >>
    http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/late...y-tools-30530/

    3.4Ghz with ram @ 1600Mhz

    Code:
    Advanced CPU Features:
    CPU Clock Ratio ................................ [20x]
    Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech .................. [Enabled]
    CPU Cores Enabled ............................ [All]
    CPU Multi Threading .......................... [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ................... [Disabled]
    C3/C6/C7 State Support .................... [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor ......................... [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function ............................ [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology ................... [Enabled] << Disabled if you do not use Vmware or Virtual PC Programs
    Bi-Directional PROCHOT ..................... [Enabled]
    
    
    Uncore & QPI Features:
    QPI Link Speed .............................. x36 or x44 (Keep under 8GT/s)
    Uncore Frequency ..........................  20-22 (Always 2x memory Multi or 2x +1, 2x +2, ect) 
    Isonchronous Frequency ..................[Enabled]
    
    
    Standard Clock Control:
    Base Clock (BCLK) Control ................ [Enabled]
    BCLK Frequency (MHz) ..................... 160
    PCI Express Frequency (MHz) ........... [100]
    
    C.I.A.2 [Disabled]
    
    Advanced Clock Control:
    CPU Clock Drive ..............................[800mV]
    PCI Express Clock Drive ................... [900mV]
    CPU Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
    IOH Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
    
    
    Advanced DRAM Features:
    Performance Enhance ...................... [Standard]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P) ......... [Disabled]
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD) ........ [10x] = 1600Mhz
    DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) .......... [Manual]
    
    Channel A + B + C
    
    Channel A Timing Settings:
    ##Channel A Standard Timing Control##
    CAS Latency Time ......................8
    tRCD .......................................8
    tRP .........................................8
    tRAS .......................................24
    
    Below values may be left in Auto if you like, generally this is fine.  For those users who DO Set advanced timings manually, please see some of my thoughts and findings about these settings and rules here
    XtremeSystems Forums - View Single Post - Gigabyte EX58-UD5/Extreme Discussion Thread
    
    
    ##Channel A Advanced Timing Control##
    tRC ........................................  (Should be = tRAS + tRP or above for stability)
    tRRD .......................................
    tWTR ...................................... (Must be Write to Read Delay/Same Rank - (tWL + 4)
    tWR ........................................ 5-12 (Odd # values likely will fail)
    tWTP .......................................    (tWTP Must = tWR + tWL + 4)
    tWL ........................................   (tWL Must be CAS Latency -1)
    tRFC .......................................
    tRTP .......................................
    tFAW ......................................
    Command Rate (CMD) ................ 1
    
    ##Channel A Misc Timing Control##
    Round Trip Latency ...................
    
    
    
    Advanced Voltage Control:
    
    CPU
    Load Line Calibration ................. [Disabled]
    CPU Vcore ............................... 1.25-1.42  Please find and set your own voltage here now, do not use Auto
    QPI/VTT Voltage 1.150v ............ Set 1.28-1.45 (This is KEY in finding stability)
    CPU PLL 1.800v ....................... Auto is fine
    
    MCH/ICH
    PCIE 1.500v ........................... 1.5
    QPI PLL 1.100v ....................... 1.14-1.26
    IOH Core 1.100v ..................... 1.16-1.24
    ICH I/O 1.500v ....................... 1.5
    ICH Core 1.1v ........................ 1.14-1.2
    
    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage 1.500v .............. 1.66
    DRAM Termination 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-A Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-B Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-C Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-A Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-B Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-C Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]

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    Default Re: GA-EX58-UD4P + Win 7RC = BSOD

    I flashed bios to f10a. Inserted the settings (see below) and it booted right up! CPU-Z reports core speed @ 3359.8 Mhz, Dram Freq. 800.0 Mhz

    I started CoreTemp 0.99.5 and let machine idle for 1 hour. Idle temps seemed high 40-45. Ran Prime95 blend, 8 workers. It BSOD (0X0000007A) around 22 minutes. Highest core temp @ 78.

    After reboot ran the above again. Prime95 BSOD (0X0000007A) around 29 minutes. Highest core temp @ 76.

    Is it the temps that are killing me or something else? I am running memtest+ currently.

    Thanks,
    Rick
    GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD4P (F10d)
    CORE I7 920 2.66G AD0
    CORSAIR XMS3 12GB DDR3 1600
    NOCTUA NH-U12P SE1366
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    Default Re: GA-EX58-UD4P + Win 7RC = BSOD

    Just an update:

    Have been running memtest+ for 8 hr's and 0 errors from 6 passes. Will continue to run over night to get at least a total of 12 passes. If I still have 0 errors after that I'm not sure how to continue.

    I could try to run the Prime95 again until failure and then capture the other 4 parameters of the 0X0000007A Kernel_Data_Inpage_Error and see if it is listed on the msdn bugcheck pages???

    Suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I'm still not feeling comfortable with the temps I was seeing just prior to failure...

    regards,
    Rick
    GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD4P (F10d)
    CORE I7 920 2.66G AD0
    CORSAIR XMS3 12GB DDR3 1600
    NOCTUA NH-U12P SE1366
    WD WD6401AALS HD x 3
    Sony Optiarc DVD/CD
    GIGABYTE GV-R455D3-512I HD4550
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    Default Re: GA-EX58-UD4P + Win 7RC = BSOD

    those temps are a little high for 160x21, what is your ambient room temperature? With an ambient temp of 28C I my highest core just reaches 71C after an hour of linpack and I'm running 181x21 with HT on. Did you put on too much TIM? What voltages are you using? Try taking off your side panel and see if you temps improve, if so your not getting enough air flow in your case.
    Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD4P F10d
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    3x2GB G.Skill DD3 1600 F3-12800CL9T-6GBNQ 8-8-8-21-1T 1.54v
    2x EVGA GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 SLI 700-1500-1200
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    Default Re: GA-EX58-UD4P + Win 7RC = BSOD

    Try setting your uncore frequency to 20x or 21x.

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    Default Re: GA-EX58-UD4P + Win 7RC = BSOD

    I had 15 passes, 0 errors, on memtest+, prior to shutting down the machine. For grins I loaded optimized defaults and went back in to check idle stock core temps. (Image attached)

    Per Dankbuddha, I opened the case side and core idle temps went down 2-3 degrees C. so I could use better airflow, this antec sonata III is pretty small...

    I feel the need to check the thermal paste, I didn't think I was using to much. Just a small line accross cores. I am using same cooler as Dankbuddha except I only have push fan on, using second fan as a front case fan to draw air into case. I can post an image of my case internals if requested. [Not sure how to attach more than one file per post.]

    Also, Dankbuddha - I had attached a MS word doc in a previous post that contained the voltages you inquired about. If that is not what you were asking about please let me know and I will get what you need. Also, did you use the paste that came with the Noctura and how/much did you apply?

    @ Solidbladez - I will give your suggestion a try when I get the heat issues resolved, I just don't think I should be running this hot at stock...

    Other notes: I also checked on my BSOD error msg and it led me to check the Page file size. I found that Win xp64 had set the page file to Custom for 2048-4096. (for 12GB of ram?) I have changed it to let system manage. Not sure if it means anything but I have never seen it set a Custom size vs. System managed, by default.

    Would like to hear about paste from Dankbuddha before I change anything.
    I will be in surgery tommorow and no Idea when I will get to come home so anything I can do today will take my mind off of it...

    Again, I really appreciate everyones gracious help in getting this machine going.

    Regards,
    Rick
    GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD4P (F10d)
    CORE I7 920 2.66G AD0
    CORSAIR XMS3 12GB DDR3 1600
    NOCTUA NH-U12P SE1366
    WD WD6401AALS HD x 3
    Sony Optiarc DVD/CD
    GIGABYTE GV-R455D3-512I HD4550
    ANTEC SONATA III 500 BK RT

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