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    Default Re: X48 DQ6 E0 E8500 at 4085Mhz

    The 93CFM is a Thermaltake a28?? noisy as hell, was the exhust fan but I couldn't stand the noise and I thought the Mugen can use the extra 20CFM.
    The original fan is a 74CFM PWM fan.
    The 90CFM CoolerMaster in post 11 is only 25mm thick, dunno if it's good for using on the Thermalright 120.

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    The concept of 1:1 ratios being superior is a thing of the past. RAM speed will always beat synchronous multipliers unless the MHz difference is low.

    The lastt ime I went out of my way to set a Synchronous ratio was with my X2 3800+ and some DDR-500. Over all performance was much better at DDR-500 and a 2.5GHz CPU than setting a lower RAM clock, eg a starting 180MHz RAM.

    Far Cry 2 isn't too demanding when it comes to RAM speed and timings, showing little difference between DDR-800 at two timing sets and DDR-1066. For a game that may show a difference, try GTA4. It's the best gaming work out for CPU RAM and FSB and the first game I played that feels like it needs a quad core to run at its best.

    Here are some shots I took a while ago of how RAM speed and timings effected Far Cry 2. This info should hold true for any GPU limited game, though I recommend you do your own testing to verify that.



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    Psycho101: Agree that the ram speed shouldn't hurt the fc2 bench much going on previous experience, but with this particular ram and board 860MHz on the ram put me in a performance hole, esp. with 3dMark. Depends how significant 17998 versus 18165 is.

    The Noctua nf-p12 fan gets good reviews. u r using 55cfm compared to chike's 93cfm.

    have to internet order fans anyway (best local shops have is Coolermaster 44cfm) so inclined to get two pairs of Scythe 1600rpm and 1900rpm and try them out.

    Chike, not that impressed with thermaltake products so far, and the 93cfm/19dba Cooler Master cops a bit of flak for its claims, if that's the right model.

    The vga psu in my rig is Thermaltake, uses 2 x 40mm fans for cooling. Loudest part of my rig. Am contemplating, after fans, getting SeaSonic M12 700watt PSU MODEL : SS-700HM and ditching vga psu.

    Rethink: "Utilising both the NF-S12 and NF-P12 120mm fans on the radiator for our cooling tests yielded some interesting results. I have included some Scythe S-FLEX results in the chart to help make a comparison. The NF-S12 800 gets left behind at 7v, but the NF-P12 performs better than the Scythe S-FLEX's thanks to its increased static pressure."
    "the NF-P12 is the only fan that has enough static pressure to force the air through the radiator fins to register air flow on the Anemometer."
    Overclock3D.Net :: Review :: Noctua NF-P12 Static Pressure Performance :: Testing

    static pressure or cfm? performance about equal to 1600rpm scythe if i read the chart right, but quieter?
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    Personeally I pay no attention what so ever to the over all score or CPU score of 3DMark. All I look at is the GPU score and whether or not increasing CPU speed will improve it, along with a mix of other real world apps and games.

    the problem with 3DMark is it's synthetic. During the GPU tests there is nothing else going on, no AI processing, nothing, purely a scripted shifting of polygons, not realistic at all. The same goes for the GPU and physics tests. These two tests are where the short fall is probably being generated. Such a tiny difference doesn't make any difference. In fact, 300 3D marks is around the margin of error for repeat tests with the same config. I've had bigger variations myself from repeat tests of the same settings. You definitely don't have a performance hole there. If it weren't for me buying this DDR-1066 a while ago out of needing to run 486 FSB on a CPU with a 7x multi I would be running a set of 4-4-4-12 DDR-800. Any more is a bit of a waste/luxuary and is only noticeable in benchmarks.

    If it worries you then use the 2.4B or 2.5A multipliers to get either 1032 or 1075. You may need something like 2.16V to coax the RAM to 1075. I'm running 1093 perfectly on that voltage.

    There's usually a ceiling level with fan output, after which more makes little to no difference. I prefer a balance of cooling and noise levels. If I were to swap out my fans for 93 CFM models, I'd be throwing the PC out of the window within the week out of annoyance. Since buying and hearing Noctua fans, given their performance, I'd never buy anything else. Ever. I plan on buying two more of their newest model to run push/pull on my washer modded TRUE, and will install the one currently on there as an intake (I already have Noctua extractor.

    Using the Washer mod for my True has given me a 4-5c temp reduction for free. Given the narrow(ish) fin layout, the TRUE, imo, benefits from good static air pressure. Lower Static air pressure can be compensated for with higher RPM, but that comes with more noise.
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    Well, i'm not getting a 300 range, more like 30, between tests. What's the best testing software for performance? I have the ram profile stored and can retest, but for me already resolved with use of 2.40B.

    Inclined to agree after googling reviews of Noctua fan, and they are available in Oz.





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    Yes, I didn't mean literally that you were getting a 300 range between tests. This was to emphasise how little 300 points are and that it's a pretty insignificant drop, not a performance hole.

    I like using Guru3D's Crysis benchmark tool along with Far Cry 2 (which you have already used), Street Fighter 4 and Resident Evil 5 Benchmark tools, GTA 4 benchmark section and of course SuperPi Mod using 1M runs mainly. These are all more real world than Vantage. I still use vantage, but as I say, only to see progress made between Catalyst versions through the GPU figure.

    To make Vantage more of a concentrated GPU, CPU and RAM test, you can disable PhysX when testing and see if there is still a slight performance drop. Adding PhysX into the equation, may distort results.

    For something synthetic that is pretty useful I use Everest's RAM and Cache benchmark. It gives Read, Write and Copy figures for RAM and all CPU cache's as well as latencies. I usually tune my RAM using this and SuperPi.
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    Psycho101, have you used the 2.50A strap, because I thought A and C straps were set up for earlier Intel 775 chips? I was advised against it earlier.

    Crysis bench figures - more difference in gpu test than cpu - cores peaked at 54c

    GPU Bench comparison

    6/09/2009 3:35:25 PM - Vista 64 (1040MHz on Strap 2.40B)
    Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
    DX10 800x600, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 32 bit test, FullScreen
    Demo Loops=3, Time Of Day= 9
    Global Game Quality: High
    ================================================== ============
    TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
    !TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
    Play Time: 31.37s, Average FPS: 63.75
    Min FPS: 42.89 at frame 182, Max FPS: 94.69 at frame 1616
    Average Tri/Sec: 63024724, Tri/Frame: 988551
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.93
    !TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
    Play Time: 26.01s, Average FPS: 76.90
    Min FPS: 42.89 at frame 182, Max FPS: 96.03 at frame 1693
    Average Tri/Sec: 76929576, Tri/Frame: 1000400
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.92
    !TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
    Play Time: 26.63s, Average FPS: 75.11
    Min FPS: 42.89 at frame 182, Max FPS: 96.03 at frame 1693
    Average Tri/Sec: 75206320, Tri/Frame: 1001294
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.92
    TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
    ================================================== ============

    Completed All Tests

    <><><><><><><><><><><><><>>--SUMMARY--<<><><><><><><><><><><><><>

    6/09/2009 3:35:25 PM - Vista 64

    Run #1- DX10 800x600 AA=No AA, 32 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Overall Average FPS: 76.005




    6/09/2009 5:25:17 PM - Vista 64 (866MHz on Strap 2.00D)
    Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
    DX10 800x600, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 32 bit test, FullScreen
    Demo Loops=3, Time Of Day= 9
    Global Game Quality: High
    TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
    !TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
    Play Time: 31.42s, Average FPS: 63.65
    Min FPS: 47.21 at frame 1945, Max FPS: 90.27 at frame 1676
    Average Tri/Sec: 62930064, Tri/Frame: 988619
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.93
    !TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
    Play Time: 27.83s, Average FPS: 71.86
    Min FPS: 46.93 at frame 1953, Max FPS: 99.88 at frame 96
    Average Tri/Sec: 71851776, Tri/Frame: 999891
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.92
    !TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
    Play Time: 28.16s, Average FPS: 71.03
    Min FPS: 46.93 at frame 1953, Max FPS: 99.88 at frame 96
    Average Tri/Sec: 71138544, Tri/Frame: 1001482
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.92
    TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)

    Completed All Tests
    <><><><><><><><><><><><><>>--SUMMARY--<<><><><><><><><><><><><><>
    6/09/2009 5:25:17 PM - Vista 64
    Run #1- DX10 800x600 AA=No AA, 32 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Overall Average FPS: 71.445



    CPU Bench comparison

    6/09/2009 3:40:12 PM - Vista 64 (1040MHz on Strap 2.40B)
    Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_cpu
    DX10 800x600, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 64 bit test, FullScreen
    Demo Loops=3, Time Of Day= 9
    Global Game Quality: High
    ================================================== ============
    TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 1500, Recorded Time: 44.62s)
    !TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
    Play Time: 29.35s, Average FPS: 51.11
    Min FPS: 17.76 at frame 209, Max FPS: 88.74 at frame 373
    Average Tri/Sec: 49982332, Tri/Frame: 977966
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.74
    !TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
    Play Time: 26.34s, Average FPS: 56.94
    Min FPS: 17.76 at frame 209, Max FPS: 90.11 at frame 124
    Average Tri/Sec: 55955128, Tri/Frame: 982733
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.73
    !TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
    Play Time: 26.89s, Average FPS: 55.78
    Min FPS: 17.76 at frame 209, Max FPS: 90.11 at frame 124
    Average Tri/Sec: 54604872, Tri/Frame: 978917
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.73
    TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
    ================================================== ============

    Completed All Tests

    <><><><><><><><><><><><><>>--SUMMARY--<<><><><><><><><><><><><><>

    6/09/2009 3:40:12 PM - Vista 64

    Run #1- DX10 800x600 AA=No AA, 64 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Overall Average FPS: 56.36


    6/09/2009 5:28:23 PM - Vista 64 (866MHz on Strap 2.00D)
    Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_cpu
    DX10 800x600, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 64 bit test, FullScreen
    Demo Loops=3, Time Of Day= 9
    Global Game Quality: High
    TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 1500, Recorded Time: 44.62s)
    !TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
    Play Time: 30.50s, Average FPS: 49.18
    Min FPS: 36.99 at frame 911, Max FPS: 83.68 at frame 348
    Average Tri/Sec: 48095992, Tri/Frame: 978034
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.74
    !TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
    Play Time: 27.68s, Average FPS: 54.20
    Min FPS: 36.99 at frame 911, Max FPS: 83.68 at frame 348
    Average Tri/Sec: 53070716, Tri/Frame: 979169
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.73
    !TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
    Play Time: 27.14s, Average FPS: 55.26
    Min FPS: 36.89 at frame 1110, Max FPS: 84.91 at frame 87
    Average Tri/Sec: 53938612, Tri/Frame: 976059
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.74
    TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)

    Completed All Tests
    <><><><><><><><><><><><><>>--SUMMARY--<<><><><><><><><><><><><><>
    6/09/2009 5:28:23 PM - Vista 64
    Run #1- DX10 800x600 AA=No AA, 64 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Overall Average FPS: 54.73



    I see figures for 1032 improve in the larger calculations.

    I had a stuff up doing this. Went from my 433fsb 1040ram to my 430fsb860ram, so re-ran those crysis tests in 433, but ran SuperPi at 430 for both before saving both profiles at 433 in bios.
    Crysis actually did slightly better at 430/860 than 433/866, but only by 1 fps.

    So far everything gives a small advantage to the 2.40B strap with my particular setup.

    Went well and truly overboard probably and did vantage with PhysX disabled in Nvidia control panel.
    1040MHz (2.40B) GPU Score: 12008 - CPU Score:8189 - P10754 1032MHz, 5-5-5-18 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) /7-20-54-3-6-4-3 (RD-RC-RFC-RRD-WR-WTR-RTP)
    866MHz (2.00D) GPU Score: 12002 - CPU Score: 8192 - P10752 866MHz, 5-5-5-18 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) /8-23-56-4-8-4-4 (RD-RC-RFC-RRD-WR-WTR-RTP)

    Hmmmm, tightened timings
    for (2.00D) 866: GPU Score: 12039 - CPU Score: 8069 - P10720 866MHz, 5-5-5-18 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) /8-23-54-3-6-4-3 (RD-RC-RFC-RRD-WR-WTR-RTP)
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    Yes, I have used both 2.5A and 2.66c at my current 411 FSB. The SMM that's supposedly designed for around this FSB level, ie 2.66D simply doesn't boot regardless of voltages, tRead, anything really. Trying 2.5A for 430*2.5=1075 should be doable. If it boots, try pushing tRead to 7-8.

    The Crysis results seem in order, a small but noticeable difference there. I would have also expected what you saw in the larger SuperPi calculations as any small gain on 1M will be magnified over the larger calculations.

    Your last 3DMark GPU figure is within natural variation for the test and can be discounted really. A 31 point gain can be a random thing.

    Definitely have a go at 2.5A and you may also get lucky at 2.66C/D with a bit more RAM voltage (2.26V?) and looser sub timings such as 8-22-64-5-8-5-4. You can then tune them back down if you wish.
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    I was thinking of chasing fsb a bit more, but feel i should wait for a couple of noctua fans. If I get a quiet night tomorrow might play with it, but already found 1147 on 2.66 would not boot earlier in thread. It would be the 2.5 I'd try, but suspect difference might be small.





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    You never know, using the 2.5A multi may just allow you to lower tRead. The oposite may be true though and you may need to raise it.
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