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    Default Incorrect Timings-Crucial Ballistix+EP45-UD3R

    Hey Guys, I'm having a little bit of a dilemma regarding my ram timings.

    I am currently using this ram BL2KIT25664AR80A - 4GB kit (2GBx2), Ballistix Tracer 240-pin DIMM (with LEDs) , DDR2 PC2-6400 from Crucial.com

    My problem lies within the RAM timings and voltage that the mobo is "auto setting"

    As you see from the link, this ram is supposed to run at 4-4-4-12 with 2v. As of right now my BIOS will not set it to these but to 5-5-5-18 with 1.8v (at 480Mhz as the clock as seen in Memtest). In the MIT settings in the BIOS I set my RAM to "Turbo", because the "Standard" option makes the timings even worse.

    So here is my problem- I manually set the timings and voltage to 4-4-4-12 2v with the MIT set to "standard" and I don't post- just cycle on, off. Only a CMOS reset fixes it of course.

    I apologize as I am a noob to BIOS settings and whatnot-it's not vital that I get this ram to the correct timings but I'm just wondering as to why it is doing this.

    Thanks in advance.

    EP45-UD3R
    BIOS Version F3
    CPU-E8500

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    CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled] 
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    Performance Enhance...................: Turbo <---The MIT Setting I was talking about
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    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 800 960 <---That's the weird one
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    tRCD .........................................
    tRP'...........................................
    tRAS..........................................
    
    All of the timing stuff below this I have not touched.
    
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    Static tRead Value.........................:6/7-10 333/B MCH - 8/9-12 400/D MCH
     tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto <<< Leave for all below as well
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    CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: << If overclocking Please set to stock, Auto overvolts this way to much.  Optimal range for overclock would be 1.5-1.65.  Auto is fine if not overclocking
    
    CPU Referen.…………....0.755V*.......: <<< .64% Of Vtt (Termination above) Auto Will set this correctly 
    
    CPU Reference2………,,0.800V*.......:<<< .67% Of Vtt (Termination above) Auto Will set this correctly 
    
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    MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: << 
    MCH Reference….…….0.800V...........; <<< Leave
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    ICH Core…………...……1.100V............: <<< Leave
    
    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: 
    DRAM Termination .…0.900V............: <<< Leave
    Channel A Reference 0.900V............: <<< Leave
    Channel B Reference 0.900V............: <<< Leave
    
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    x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Enabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled]

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    Default Re: Incorrect Timings-Crucial Ballistix+EP45-UD3R

    Please see the link in my signature for review on Ballistix, not the DDR3 one of course.

    Those settings should work fine for you, your issue lies in the fact that you are not setting your ram multiplier yourself, so you are getting 960Mhz instead of 800

    MCH Core voltage, Ram voltage, and likely Vtt will have to be set all manually. I posted settings for 400 FSB With this ram in my review. That should help you right along, if you still get stuck let me know and I can post you some settings but they will be the same as I list in the review though as they are stable and proper for 400 FSB.

    You are just leaving to many things to auto, and not setting other things you need to per your ram

    Standard Performance Enhance is suggested until you get stable, it Will work just fine once you set everything

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    Default Re: Incorrect Timings-Crucial Ballistix+EP45-UD3R

    This is interesting, bus frequency is set to 400 but with multiplier on auto memory is set to DDR-960?
    Could you post a screen capture of MemSet main and spd(click spd) windows?
    MemSet can be found in the programs sticky at the top of the forum.

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    Default Re: Incorrect Timings-Crucial Ballistix+EP45-UD3R

    It's just because auto Memory multi is choosing 2.40B, not sure why though? But looks to me as that is what it going on

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    Default Re: Incorrect Timings-Crucial Ballistix+EP45-UD3R

    Quote Originally Posted by Lsdmeasap View Post
    It's just because auto Memory multi is choosing 2.40B, not sure why though? But looks to me as that is what it going on
    Oh right, BIOS always set multiplier for memory spec at default CPU bus frequency.
    My math isn't so good in the morning ;-/

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    Default Re: Incorrect Timings-Crucial Ballistix+EP45-UD3R

    Here you go-

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    Default Re: Incorrect Timings-Crucial Ballistix+EP45-UD3R

    This a bit confusing, because in the template everything is set on auto but the values in MemSet seem to match the SPD profile for DDR-800(400MHz)
    You can see you have 2 EPP profiles, one for DDR-800 and the other for DDR-1000.
    The 4-4-4-12 timings are only guaranteed for DDR-800 by the manufacturer not just any frequency. The BIOS attempts do adjust them to the actual selected frequency, turbo also may alter them so there no way to tell what exactly is going on unless Performance Enhance is set to standard.
    For your current FSB I'd recommend selecting XMP profile2 and Performance Enhance standard.
    If you choose to use 2.00D multiplier select XMP profile1, and for 2.066D profile2 (slight overclock, auto timings will be adjusted up 5-6-6-16)

    If you are settle on the FSB you can alter tham manually, starting with the values from one of the EPP profile that match your chosen ram rate and tweak them if you are into that kind of thing.

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    Default Re: Incorrect Timings-Crucial Ballistix+EP45-UD3R

    Ok I got it working at the 444-12 2v with 400mhz. I have not set any other timings yet though from your review LSD.

    So what is better- the mobo default settings with the slower timings but higher clock but lower volts?

    Or the specs- lower clocks but better timings but higher volts?

    Some of my gaming seems to be a little, little bit jittery now with the 444-12 2v 400mhz settings.

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    Default Re: Incorrect Timings-Crucial Ballistix+EP45-UD3R

    Please post your current settings (don't leave empty entries, MCH for example is crutial for stability) and replace the comments with actual settings.
    The jitter may suggest instability and that some tweaking is needed.

    Quote Originally Posted by sharpbiohazard
    So what is better- the mobo default settings with the slower timings but higher clock but lower volts?

    Or the specs- lower clocks but better timings but higher volts?
    This realy up to you, better timings give better performance though not always noticeable. You didn't pay the extra to run at speed/timings you could get for half price did you?

    I myself fine with XMP profile and auto settings. The only memory related settings I set manually is tRD (Static tRead Value) which BIOS guess is far from the optimal and have rather major effect on performance.
    Other have other oppinions.

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    Default Re: Incorrect Timings-Crucial Ballistix+EP45-UD3R

    I apologize for my hastiness

    Brackets mean I did not touch that setting.

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    Last edited by sharpbiohazard; 09-08-2009 at 10:46 AM.

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