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    Default GA-MA785GMT-UD2H EES and other BIOS questions

    I recently built a system using the above board and asked some questions here, but I thought I might get better answers on this forum!!!

    WinXP SP3

    Remaining questions/issues:

    RAM – I bought DDR3 1800 PC3 14400 OCZ RAM – When I went into the BIOS, the memory was set at 1066. I set it to 1600 and got a BSOD when loading Windows XP. I went back in and set it to 1333 and Windows hung while installing. I set it to 1066 and it seemed to work fine. I don’t think it’s a memory problem b/c I ran the Microsoft Memory Tester advanced (3 hours – 3 passes of 11 tests) with no errors, and there was a comment on Newegg about the board not supporting faster memory – probably need to wait on a BIOS upgrade. (Timings for CAS etc., were set by SPD, b/c I don't know what to adjust them to).

    EasyEnergySaver – This is a cool program, but it is also fairly buggy (IMHO). Originally, I had it installed to C:\ and moved it to G:\. (It won't ask you where to install it, you have to change the default program key in the registry, and then if you change that afterwords you have to change it's shortcuts.) It will not display CPU wattages unless both it and the AMD CPU driver are installed on C:\. It works fine on G:\, otherwise. Also, it tends to turn itself off (I think maybe only if you change screen saver/power settings) and if it is off, the BIOS gives you a warning to turn it back on and won’t boot to Windows until you press a key. (Also, when I was trying to move it from C: to G: and back, at one point I got an error where it wouldn’t uninstall and stability issues (Windows would hang after load – I think trying to start EES and not finding it). My main question at this point is if there is a way to turn off the BIOS warning if EES is disabled as (for reasons below), I will likely be running MsrTweaker and don't want to use both. If not, I suppose I could uninstall it, but that gave me an error previously, so is there a guide on manually removing it if needed?

    Safe Mode – One time when I was in safe mode, the CPU fan started running away – which is odd, b/c with Power Management set to Home/Office, the CPU runs at 2.8 Ghz, and the fan is still quiet.

    Performance – From other threads, there is a problem with multi-core AMD CPU's in WinXP - essentially, the the cores run independent clocks and the OS switches from the active core to the idle one, which has to throttle up, and then back to the first one (which has throttled down), so you never hit 100% CPU with CnQ enabled.

    I ran some benchmarks in SiSoftSandra with and without EES turned on and speeds were better WITH EES (but I also had EasyTune up without EES to verify the processor was actually at 2.8Ghz, and benchmarks were close). I figured I was worrying about nothing, WRONG!!! There is a certain route in MSTS (Microsoft Train Simulator) that I know ran about 5-6 FPS with the Barton processor. I maxed the sliders (they were almost maxed before) and ran about 6-9 FPS with the new processor – not much for a $300 upgrade, but still some improvement. Then I turned off Minimal Power Management and ran a solid 13-14 FPS (which is what I would expect/hoped for). I guess now that I have a good place to benchmark, the next test is to try MsrTweaker with EES off (Need DotNet 3.5 for that, though), and then see what I can do about leaving EES off without a BIOS warning without uninstalling it altogether – if anyone has suggestions …

    Finally – I need to try MsrTweaker first, but if anyone knows of a command-line option to change power-states, that would really work pretty well for how I use the computer, b/c I could turn on Home/Office with my Pinball, MAME, or MSTS front-end (from a batch file) and then turn if back to minimal power usage on exit and that would likely be fine for me (but inelegant), but I don’t know of a way to do it.

    Thanks in advance!!!

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    Default Re: GA-MA785GMT-UD2H EES and other BIOS questions

    For your DES issue I suggest you simply uninstall it, if you have issues you may need to reinstall it again on the drive you are using now, then uninstall

    Sorry I can't help much with AMD, ArtDrivers will hopefully be by to help you out with this, but I can say for high speed memory you are going to have to set your own voltages (Ram and NB)

    Safe Mode, this may be normal as Safe mode does not load many drivers and the needed driver per fan control is likely not loaded which allows the fan to run 100%

    Like I said, I am not an AMD User, so hopefully ArtDrivers will stop in to help you shortly. If he does not, please pm me and I will get a hold of him to see if he can stop in and offer you some advice

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    Alright, I’m answering more of my own questions again, but that’s okay (important new questions at the end) ….
    <o:p> </o:p> PhenomMSRTweaker (PMT) works great, but I’ll come back to it and ask some more questions later.
    <o:p> </o:p>
    Regarding EES – PMT recommended that you disable CnQ in the BIOS and if you do that, the BIOS doesn’t bug you about EES not being turned on – rather an inelegant solution – b/c there might be times that you want CnQ active in the BIOS without running EES, but that’s okay. The program is still buggy – when I installed PMT, it showed the CPU at 69W, even though PCWizard verified it was at 800Mhz, which was 21W previously. I left it installed and turned off just so I didn’t have any potential errors with it uninstalling improperly.
    <o:p> </o:p>
    Now a little bit of background for those who might not be familiar with PMT. The program has three main purposes:

    • You can set an undervoltage and underclock (or overclock for a BE processor) and for the P0 (performance) and P1 (power-saving states). For some reason, CnQ doesn’t allow this – from what I have read, I think if you reduce the P0 voltage, it also scales the P1 voltage so the system hangs when it goes to P1.
    • Most important to me (and WinXP users): you can set the frequency of each core independently or lock them to the same value. For WinXP, this is useful as you don’t have the OS shifting the thread to idle cores and slowing down performance.
    • There is a handy tray icon that let’s you switch between three states:
      • Balanced – CPU cycles between P0 and P1 automatically depending on Load.
      • Performance – CPU is locked in P0 state – useful if you know you will be gaming for example and don’t want any possibility of the processor not being fully available.
      • Power-Saving – locks the CPU in the P1 state. (I can see one good usage for this in testing (below)), but the other main place this might be useful is for example on a laptop where you were running on battery but wanted to play a game and would deal with poor performance to be sure the game would not shut off.


    <o:p> </o:p>
    I tested it briefly and in balanced I hit 14-15 FPS (a new record) with PC Wizard running in the background and when I Alt-Tabbed out of it (which MSTS didn’t like), PCW showed the CPU at 2810 and then dropped to 803 Mhz.
    <o:p> </o:p>
    Now some facts that I discovered about the program (which are important as there is essentially no documentation).

    • The Program installs as a Service, but there is a Start Menu shortcut that brings up the tray icon and the main menu.
    • The “Apply” Button on both the main window and the Service Configuration window is CRITICAL!!! If you change the multiplier of P1, for instance, in the main window and don’t click Apply, nothing happens. Activate will not change them and neither will refresh. They will look like they are changed, but if you click the Service button and select “Use Current Settings” – nothing happens b/c you have not clicked apply yet. Similarly, if you change anything on the Service Configuration menu and don’t click Apply, it will look like your changes were made, but on next startup, they will be lost.
    • For most users, you would set the program up the way you want and then either run it as a service (no taskbar icon) or with the taskbar icon. I wanted the Taskbar icon but still wanted to be able to change the settings. If you just drag the shortcut to “Startup” then the main window opens at re-start along with the tray icon. You can solve this by right-clicking the shortcut and selecting Start-Minimized, but then you can’t get the main menu to come up – so what I did was drag another copy of the shortcut back to the main Programs menu and select Start-Normal, which gives me the config menu. (IMHO, the program should probably have a “Show/Hide Tray Icon” setting and either a double-click or right click tray icon to bring up the config menu, but this is a very much needed freeware app, it works great for what it does, and the author has revised it to enable K10 and 32-bit OS support and said it meets his needs and he is done with it, and I can work with it, so that is good enough for me).

    <o:p> </o:p>
    Now some questions/observations for anyone that might be familiar with the program (and I still need help with my memory timings):
    <o:p> </o:p>

    • The Service Menu says that CnQ should be disabled in the BIOS, but the program seems to work fine either way. I’m not sure that it matters, but I turned it off anyway.
    • Nothing was said about setting or disabling C1E in the BIOS – I left it on, but I never hibernate the system, so I don’t know that it matters one way or the other.
    • There are four settings on the Service Menu:
      • CPU Load sampling Interval – 25 ms.
      • CPU Load Threshold – 48%
      • # of consecutive cycles above threshold before P0 kicks in – 4
      • # of consecutive cycles below threshold before P1 kicks in – 10


    These are self-explanatory and I left them at default, but I didn’t know if they could be improved upon or not – unlikely, though.

    • I think CnQ is supposed to also regulate HSF speed, although for me it always seemed to hover around 2000-2200 RPM (except in Safe Mode), and I can’t really tell if PMT is changing it or not.
    • Initially, the program was set at:
      • P0 – Multiplier 14, CPU VID 1.425, NB VID 1.175
      • P1 – Multiplier 10.5 CPU VID 1.325, NB VID 1.175


    I knew that the FSB was 200 and previously P0 was 2800 and P1 was 800, so I knew I wanted 14 and 4 for the multipliers, but I never noticed what EES set the CPU VID to (and it didn’t want to play properly anymore even when I stopped the PMT service and re-enabled CnQ in the BIOS) and when I ran the PMT my CPU temps went up about 5 degrees F. I changed P1 VID to 1.15 b/c I thought I had seen someone else saying my processor was stable for them at that, and my temps dropped about 1 degree F below what they were with EES enabled. I suspect I should do the following:
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    • Download Prime95 or similar and run a couple of instances of it and set PMT to power-saving mode and drop the P1 CPU VID (not sure about the NB VID???) until the system hangs, and then raise it back up a notch or two.

    <!--[endif]--> <!--[if !supportLists]-->
    • Since I don’t plan to OC (the system is fast and stable enough, and I want to keep the 3-year warranty) – I suppose I should enable High Performance and do that same thing to reduce the P1 for the high-performance state (not that it matters – the system is cooler and quieter at load than my previous build was at idle, but I may as well benefit from the lower thermal and power consumption.)

    <!--[endif]--> <o:p> </o:p>
    New stuff I need help on:
    <!--[if !supportLists]-->
    • NB Voltage is the memory voltage, correct? If so, I thought this should be 1.5, but the BIOS had it at either 1.6 or 1.65 and didn’t seem to want to change it, but PMT has it at 1.175 ‑ so I was overvolting it and am now undervolting it ‑ correct? Suggestions?

    <!--[endif]--> <!--[if !supportLists]-->
    • PC Wizard showed the RAM (IMS) as DDR 533 running at 667, but neither one sounds correct ‑ but I’m not sure what to trust on this ….

    <!--[endif]--> <o:p> </o:p>Suggestions welcome as this is new ground for me!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lsdmeasap View Post
    For your EES issue I suggest you simply uninstall it, if you have issues you may need to reinstall it again on the drive you are using now, then uninstall
    Just to clarify - I am using both drives (or really one drive with two partitions). With it installed on the C:\ partition and the CnQ driver installed on the C:\ partition it (was) working fine. With it installed on the G:\ partition and CnQ installed on the G:\ partition, it worked, but it would not display CPU wattage (which was it's main feature, since setting Minimal Power Management enabled CnQ and I could use Easy Tune 6 or any number of other utilities to verify CPU frequency. Since I installed PMT, it doesn't seem to work anymore (always shows CPU Wattage of 69W), even if I re-enable CnQ in the BIOS and disable (well stop) the PMT service. However, one of the times before when I tried to uninstall it, it failed to uninstall, and I tried to remove it from the registry and the system would hang right after Windows loaded (which is why I went into safe mode and ended up reinstalling Windows), so as long as it is happily turned off and I'm not getting BIOS warnings to press any key to continue, I'm not going to worry about it.

    As I said, I consider it buggy.

    Re-read your reply - I guess I should have re-installed it and tried to uninstall again when the initial removal failed instead of plowing through the registry - lesson learned - Thanks!

    Sorry I can't help much with AMD, ArtDrivers will hopefully be by to help you out with this, but I can say for high speed memory you are going to have to set your own voltages (Ram and NB)
    I'm pretty lost on this part of it - mainly worried now that I'm not too high on the voltages or clocks now and damaging anything. I hope he stops by!!!

    Safe Mode, this may be normal as Safe mode does not load many drivers and the needed driver per fan control is likely not loaded which allows the fan to run 100%
    Maybe .... Here's the odd thing. I'm a freak for semi-silent PC's (had too many hair drier ones in the past). When I first got the Regor 240, I plugged the HSF into a fan header on my Barton mobo and it was louder than my Barton Artic Cooling HSF and my PS. I didn't have RPM monitoring on that header, but I was worried, b/c you void the warranty if you use a different heatsink, and I thought I might have made a bad purchase, but once I had the heatsink controlled by the Gigabyte mobo, the fan was silent and I was happy.

    Now, if it started at full speed instantly in Safe Mode, I could see the driver not being loaded and Windows not knowing what to do - but it didn't - it started out quiet and then after a few minutes it ramped up to really loud. To me that sounds like some type of thermal issue kicking the fan up, but the fan was louder than it is with CnQ disabled and the processor at 2.8 Ghz, so it got my atttention (and I shut down fast).

    Thank you for your help!!!
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    Hi Tiger-Heli We will view your manual here http://china.giga-byte.com/FileList/...-ud(s)2h_e.pdf
    I don't use PhenomMsrTweaker. I use CnQ set in bios with AMD Processor Driver Version 1.3.2.0053 for Windows XP, and AMD Power Monitor Version 1.2.3. These are AMD cpu drivers for cpu power efficiency. You can download them here if you want to try this, but the CnQ has to be on auto in bios.
    Mobile AMD Athlon™ 64 Processor Utilities and Updates
    Here is a screen shot for your viewing of AMD Power Monitor. It's a split view where I set one on desktop and the other on presentation. I just right click on the icon in the task bar and set power scheme to one of five settings or always on.

    By artdrivers at 2009-07-21

    You will want to make some adjustments to your bios for your memory.
    I can send you a bios template but first may I ask you for your PC health?
    Here is a template please use it. Change the TEMPLATE numbers with yours.
    You will need to go into bios. Please always when entering bios on the first bios page press and hold the Ctrl and then press the F1. Like at the same time Ctrl+F1. This will allow all bios features to appear.
    It is suttle but if viewed closly the bios will flicker. This has to be performed everytime you enter bios to view all the features.
    Code:
    PC Health Status
    Hardware Thermal Control [Enabled]
    Reset Case Open Status [Disabled]
    Case Opened No
    Vcore 1.364V
    DDR3 1.5V 1.536V
    +3.3V 3.280V
    +12V 12.048V
    Current System Temperature 38oC
    Current CPU Temperature 36oC
    Current CPU FAN Speed 1962 RPM
    Current SYSTEM FAN Speed 0 RPM 
    Current NB FAN Speed 0 RPM
    CPU Warning Temperature [Disabled]
    CPU FAN Fail Warning [Disabled]
    SYSTEM FAN Fail Warning [Disabled]
    NB FAN Fail Warning [Disabled]
    CPU Smart FAN Control [Enabled]
    CPU Smart FAN Mode [Auto]
    System Smart FAN Control [Enabled]
    After you post your systems PC Health Template we can help with the memory settings if you want.
    Last edited by artdrivers; 09-09-2009 at 09:22 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by artdrivers View Post
    I don't use PhenomMsrTweaker. I use CnQ set in bios with AMD Processor Driver Version 1.3.2.0053 for Windows XP, and AMD Power Monitor Version 1.2.3.
    Okay - I actually liked PMT - the problem I was having before running it was that both cores did not seem to ramp up to the same speed, so WinXP would cycle between the inactive cores - PMT seems to avoid that, but from the screenshot, so does the AMD driver - at least AMD power monitor shows both core speeds - that is helpful.

    Questions:

    • You said you can select power states from the icon, but I assume it also automatically ramps up and down with load?
    • There was a CPU driver for CnQ included with the mobo that was likely newer than this one (2007 on AMD's page - but not mobile). I assume the 1.3.2.0053 driver will work with the Regor 240 processor? Do I need to remove the driver that came with the Gigabyte mobo before installing it?
    • I actually would rather have CnQ enabled in BIOS, but I assume at this point I would need to disable PMT service and shortcuts, change the CnQ settings in BIOS, and maybe get warnings that EES was disabled until I uninstall it - we can cross those bridges later ...

    I can send you a bios template but first may I ask you for your PC health?
    Here is a template please use it. Change the TEMPLATE numbers with yours.
    I can get you the PC Health info, but it is on my home computer and I don't have Internet on it, so I would have to check tonight and post back tomorrow, and then I'm off for the weekend, so further updates would be Monday.

    As long as I'm not overdriving anything, that's okay, though ...

    Please always when intering bios on the first bios page press and hold the Ctrl and then press the F1.
    I had read about the Ctrl-F1 trick, but it didn't seem to be doing anything. I wasn't on the first page, though, I would be in M-B Intelligent Tweaker or Advanced CMOS when I did it, though. I'll try from the first page.

    After you post your systems PC Health Template we can help with the memory settings if you want.
    Sounds good - if you wouldn't mind, could you initailly post what would be normal "Safe" settings in the mean time - (or is basically "Auto by SPD", which I think I might be at now good enough?

    Thanks again!!!!

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    Here are some templates we will be using. You can always set auto or optimized defaults in bios if anything gets maladjusted. We will be setting some things to manual and rebooting a few times.

    Code:
    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    } Advanced Clock Calibration [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Ratio [Auto] 2800Mhz
    CPU NorthBridge Freq. [Auto] 2000Mhz
    CPU Host Clock Control [Auto]
    x CPU Frequency(MHz) 200
    PCIE Clock(MHz) [Auto]
    HT Link Width [Auto]
    HT Link Frequency [Auto] 2000Mhz
    VGA Core Clock control [Disabled]
    x VGA Core Clock(MHz) 500
    Set Memory Clock [Auto]
    x Memory Clock x6.66 1333Mhz
    } DRAM Configuration [Press Enter]
    ******** System Voltage Optimized ********
    System Voltage Control [Manual]
    DDR3 Voltage Control [Normal]
    NorthBridge Volt Control [Normal]
    SouthBridge Volt Control [Normal]
    SidePort Mem Volt Controlj [Normal]
    CPU NB VID Control [Normal]
    CPU Voltage Control [Normal]
    Normal CPU Vcore 1.3250V
    Code:
    Advanced Clock Calibration
    EC Firmware Selection [Normal]
    Advanced Clock Calibration [Disabled]
    x Value (All Cores) -2%
    x Value (Core 0) -2%
    x Value (Core 1) -2%
    x Value (Core 2) -2%
    x Value (Core 3) -2%
    Code:
    DRAM Configuration
    DCTs Mode [Unganged]
    DDR3 Timing Items [Auto] SPD Auto
    x CAS# latency Auto 7T 7T
    x RAS to CAS R/W Delay Auto 7T 7T
    x Row Precharge Time Auto 7T 7T
    x Minimum RAS Active Time Auto 30T 30T
    x 1T/2T Command Timing Auto -- --
    x TwTr Command Delay Auto 5T 5T
    x Trfc0 for DIMM1 Auto 90ns 90ns
    x Trfc2 for DIMM2 Auto -- --
    x Trfc1 for DIMM3 Auto -- --
    x Trfc3 for DIMM4 Auto -- --
    x Write Recovery Time Auto 10T 10T
    x Precharge Time Auto 5T 5T
    x Row Cycle Time Auto 28T 28T
    x RAS to RAS Delay Auto 4T 4T
    Bank interleaving [Enabled]
    Channel interleave [Enabled]
    By the way your CPU may add or remove some of the template settings.
    Please add or remove the settings from the template as well.
    Last edited by artdrivers; 09-10-2009 at 12:20 AM.
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    Default Re: GA-MA785GMT-UD2H EES and other BIOS questions

    Just to clarify - you want me to reply back with what I have for the entries you posted, not set my system to the things you listed, correct?

    I know off the bat that my memory clock is at whatever makes 1066 and Windows would hang when installing at 1333.

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    Yes please post your settings on these templates if it's not to much trouble. This will help us and others viewing. You will have a free base of the settings you originally had as well.
    I know off the bat that your memory voltage and timings are not optimized because the bios, and cpu, and memory controller does not do this on all the different memory.
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    Default Re: GA-MA785GMT-UD2H EES and other BIOS questions

    No trouble at all - I truly appreciate all the assistance.

    Out of curiousity - is there a program to find out what the memory timings SHOULD be set to (default), or is it more a matter of bump this setting up until it hangs, drop it down a notch, adjust second setting, etc.?

    Thanks again!

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